Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@boomzilla Will you please respect the
and stop
ing me?
(also I almost added some sort of snark along the lines of "how long before the study is retracted", but this is not the garage and I hope that won't happen...)
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Not a miracle cure by any means, but a step in the right direction
A member of one of the key classes of drugs in this whole business, as it reduces the severity of the disease even when administered at a fairly late stage. The trial that's produced the evidence that it's helpful is a big and well-founded one too, and that's really good: it means that this result is highly likely to be transferrable rapidly into clinical practice (and we already have the safety/toxicity data).
We still need a vaccine, but hopefully this will, in practice, reduce the number of deaths and the level of debilitation among survivors.
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A mutated strain of poliovirus has been reported in more than 30 countries.
And measles is flaring around the globe, including in Bangladesh, Brazil, Cambodia, Central African Republic, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Nepal, Nigeria and Uzbekistan.
Of 29 countries that have currently suspended measles campaigns because of the pandemic, 18 are reporting outbreaks. An additional 13 countries are considering postponement. According to the Measles and Rubella Initiative, 178 million people are at risk of missing measles shots in 2020.
The risk now is “an epidemic in a few months’ time that will kill more children than Covid,” said Chibuzo Okonta, the president of Doctors Without Borders in West and Central Africa.
Ouch.
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@remi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
(also I almost added some sort of snark along the lines of "how long before the study is retracted", but this is not the garage and I hope that won't happen...)
It seems like the sort of statement that could be made without snark, or at least without much. I would bet that most studies are contradicted by other studies, especially ones in times like this, where the stakes are high and the time pressure is great.
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The big reopening. Some limitations remain (1.5m, face masks in public transit) and a few economic elements remain closed (contact professions need to do a symptom interview in advance, discos and pop venues where people are standing are not allowed). Work at home advice remains. But public transit reopens without limits on necessary travel. Theaters and cinemas reopen, as long as 1.5m is respected. Sports, including contact sports, are allowed again as long as 1.5m is respected off the pitch. Gyms reopen. Elderly homes allow visitors again without limitation.
There's not just light at the end of the tunnel, we can see the sun is shining and hear the birds whistling in the distance.
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Our school district did a shockingly smart thing: for school next year they're giving everyone a choice between:
- 100% online instruction 5 days a week.
- Two days minimum (could be more, depending on how many people want this option) kids going to school for in person instruction, then independent / virtual study the other days. Exact social distancing measures haven't been announced.
We here have agreed that we all like #2 (me, my wife and my son).
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Our school district did a shockingly smart thing: for school next year they're giving everyone a choice between:
- 100% online instruction 5 days a week.
- Two days minimum (could be more, depending on how many people want this option) kids going to school for in person instruction, then independent / virtual study the other days. Exact social distancing measures haven't been announced.
We here have agreed that we all like #2 (me, my wife and my son).
We like the combination option too.
There is a school townhall on the 30th in order to discuss.
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Beaches open July 1st!!
The additional notification I get from being a city employee says:
· New York State Beach Guidance Beach-goers should visit only with members of their immediate household
· Maintain 6 feet of distance of others while swimming and on beaches and boardwalks
· Keep beach blankets and chairs at least 10 feet apart from others
· Wear a mask when unable to maintain social distance
· Refrain from group activitiesEnforcement will be difficult.
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Enforcement will be difficult.
The real question is: when they see how poorly everyone is following the rules, will they rescind beach access?
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@PotatoEngineer said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Enforcement will be difficult.
The real question is: when they see how poorly everyone is following the rules, will they rescind beach access?
Based on what happened when they tried to close the parks, I don't know how much that will matter.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Beaches open July 1st!!
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Kinda unrelated, but it reminds me of one time in middle school when I went drinking in park (a cross between a park and a forest in a remote district, so not many people walking by) with like 5 of my classmates, and 1 older cousin of one of them. The only person among us who could legally drink, and a girl (somewhat important). So, after everyone had one or two beers, a wild police patrol appeared.
How old are you?
15.
I'm 18.
*looks at nearby trash can full of bottles* Were you drinking?
Noooooooo.
I was.
Just you?
Yes.
*points at trash can* Is that yours?
Yes.
All of it?
Yes.
Really?
Yes.
*sigh*
They ID'd us, checked our phones and let us all go.
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Small study, but basically you can get immune response to COVID-19 without generating antibodies. Which means the antibody tests are an underestimate of the total immunity, if true.
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@Benjamin-Hall wait what? How does that work and does that work for other viruses too?
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall wait what? How does that work and does that work for other viruses too?
Yes. The immune system has a couple parts, including pieces that don't involve production of antibodies. I'm no expert, but the phrase I've read is "innate immune system" vs "learned immune system". Kids tend to have strong innate immunity, but poor learned immunity. So this fits with the fact that kids don't get it nearly as much as they should.
I don't know enough to say more about how exactly it works, however.
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@Benjamin-Hall oh okay. I read it as acquiring immunity.
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@Gąska generally, if your innate immune system responds, you have immunity (at least partial). Basically, you're just not (as) susceptible to that illness. For instance, a number of African groups are much less susceptible to malaria (IIRC) due to genetic factors. Of course that quirk makes them more vulnerable to sickle-cell anemia, but...
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@PotatoEngineer said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Enforcement will be difficult.
The real question is: when they see how poorly everyone is following the rules, will they rescind beach access?
I hope not.
They city has hired people to be social distancing educators. Said clearly that they are not enforces.
Since everyone hates DeBlasio. I suspect few (even police) will care.
I think reversing of opening up, will be ignored by most people (in any jurisdiction).
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Small study, but basically you can get immune response to COVID-19 without generating antibodies. Which means the antibody tests are an underestimate of the total immunity, if true.
That sounds like a kind of old news. Read (and mentioned here) something similar at least a month ago. Most tests are looking for the immunoglobulins (antibodies) produced by B-lymphocytes, because it's easier, but those may not even be activated in anti-viral response. T-lymphocytes that are the primary defence against virii also use immunoglobulins (a different kind), but they use them as receptors, which makes them more difficult to detect.
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall wait what? How does that work and does that work for other viruses too?
Yes. B-lymphocytes are against extra-cellular invaders and T-lymphocytes are against intra-cellular invaders. Testing antibodies produced by B-lymphocytes to detect viral infection is a
. A virus must exist outside the cells for some time, so the B-lymphocytes may also get activated, but not reliably. But it's much cheaper to test…
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'm no expert, but the phrase I've read is "innate immune system" vs "learned immune system".
Both kinds of lymphocytes are learned immune system. But only B-lymphocytes release antibodies in the serum where it is easy to detect.
I am am not sure what this article says, but the one I read some time ago said detecting the correct kind of immunoglobulins that T-lymphocytes use does lead to detecting significantly higher incidence, but is much more expensive and complicated (I believe it said it needs a larger blood sample and a well equipped lab while the serum ones need just a drop and some prepared reagent).
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
Make sure they have the right funny/inflammatory message too!
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
Make sure they have the right funny/inflammatory message too!
Trust me, that was exactly my idea.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
Make sure they have the right funny/inflammatory message too!
Trust me, that was exactly my idea.
We'll need pictures... We don't mind smudged-out faces!
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
Make sure they have the right funny/inflammatory message too!
Inflammatory, like the virus?
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
With our group of 12-ish, do you think that they will buy that we are from the same household?
Wear matching T-shirts!
LOL - that's not a bad idea. Not sure everyone would join in but it could help.
Make sure they have the right funny/inflammatory message too!
Trust me, that was exactly my idea.
We'll need pictures... We don't mind smudged-out faces!
I'm still trying to find the appropriate message. I see some on Amazon, but none that do it for me.
Ideas from my husband:
Pandemic, protests, and politicians. Oh my!
we all got covid and all we got were these lousy shirts
Virus lives matter
Pandemics? Protest Riots? Rabid politicians? Fuhgeddaboutit! I'm from [our neighborhood]. We call that Tuesday...
I think if we do a custom one, fewer words will look better (and more readable).
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Virus lives matter
Waiting for a biology nerd to do some
ing.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Virus lives matter
Waiting for a biology nerd to do some
ing.
Yeah, viruses aren't really alive.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I think if we do a custom one, fewer words will look better (and more readable).
We're Viral!
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@Karla waiting for a biology nerd to do even more
ing now.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla waiting for a biology nerd to do even more
ing now.
Wait, so now my degree in Biology isn't
ing enough now?
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@Karla last time I checked the "liveliness" of viruses, it took two paragraphs to even define the question. 5 word sentence definately isn't
enough.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla last time I checked the "liveliness" of viruses, it took two paragraphs to even define the question. 5 word sentence definately isn't
enough.
Fair enough.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I think if we do a custom one, fewer words will look better (and more readable).
As @Gąska said above: "We're back, beaches.". Short and to the point.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I think if we do a custom one, fewer words will look better (and more readable).
As @Gąska said above: "We're back, beaches.". Short and to the point.
I missed that, yeah, I like it.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kinda unrelated, but it reminds me of one time in middle school
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How old are you?
15.
Does "middle school" mean something different in Poland? Because in the USA that would typically be your second year of high school.
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@Mason_Wheeler yes, it does. First, until recently, elementary school in Poland started at the age of 7 (I believe it's 6 in USA), so everyone is a year older already. Second, also until recently because now they're gone, middle schools were grades 7 to 9, so ages 13 to 16. Elementary schools used to be grades 1-6 and high schools grades 10-12 (so you typically wrote your final exams at the age of 19). Now it's mostly the same but with middle schools out of the picture, elementary schools are 1-8 and high schools are 9-12, and children can start school at the age of 6 if a psychologist gives a green light.
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wear matching
T-shirtshats!maybe red ones ... you'll get all the room you like
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@Luhmann said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wear matching
T-shirtshats!maybe red ones ... you'll get all the room you like
Make Beaches Better
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Now it's mostly the same but with middle schools out of the picture, elementary schools are 1-8 and high schools are 9-12, and children can start school at the age of 6 if a psychologist gives a green light.
As God intended (middle schools were a complete disaster).
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@MrL I don't disagree, but the way the change was handled makes me cry.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL I don't disagree, but the way the change was handled makes me cry.
The way the change was made was also partly the reason they sucked.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kinda unrelated, but it reminds me of one time in middle school
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How old are you?
15.
Does "middle school" mean something different in Poland? Because in the USA that would typically be your second year of high school.
Not anywhere that I know of.
We have school programs. Elementary, Middle, and High are all distinct.
Middle school for NYC is defined as 5th - 8th grades.
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@Karla Yeah, that's pretty standard. And 15-year-olds would generally be in the 10th grade, which is the second year of high school after finishing middle school with the 8th grade.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla Yeah, that's pretty standard. And 15-year-olds would generally be in the 10th grade, which is the second year of high school after finishing middle school with the 8th grade.
Ah yes, I misunderstood what 'that' was referring to.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kinda unrelated, but it reminds me of one time in middle school
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How old are you?
15.
Does "middle school" mean something different in Poland? Because in the USA that would typically be your second year of high school.
Middle school is different across the US even. In my school district growing up middle school was 7-8 grade only.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
so you typically wrote your final exams at the age of 19
Actually, it's still true as of now. I think it's the next year that we'll have the first people graduating at 18 for reasons other than special treatment of kid geniuses.
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@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kinda unrelated, but it reminds me of one time in middle school
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How old are you?
15.
Does "middle school" mean something different in Poland? Because in the USA that would typically be your second year of high school.
Middle school is different across the US even. In my school district growing up middle school was 7-8 grade only.
Indeed. When my kids were in school, middle school in their district was 7–8, high school was 9–12, but I think some nearby districts had 3 years of middle school, including either 6 or 9. When I was that age, middle school was called junior high school and included 7–9, with high school being 10–12, except I went to a private school and for us, junior high was only 7–8, and 9 was part of high school, but all other organizations followed the public school system. Which quite annoyed me; when I was in 9th grade, I was in high school but still had to attend junior high church group, and such.
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@HardwareGeek My 5th grade year was the first year they transitioned from a
K-6
elementary,7-9 middle/Jr High
and10-12
high school system to aK-5
elementary,6-8 middle
and9-12
high school. But that pattern also held for the school I worked at. It seems super variable across the US though.