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@TimeBandit it's not features that make smart TVs bad.
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@boomzilla said in Apple stand:
How do you suppose they came to be?
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@Luhmann said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
I did literally nothing for my social status.
no
Correct.
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@Tsaukpaetra
you where probably holding it wrong ...
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@pie_flavor said in Apple stand:
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If you use iTunes then it's objectively better to have a phone that works well with it. If you don't then there's no difference. Objectively better, by the same logic you've been using throughout this thread.
Get your head out of your arse and realise that for some of those millions of people who give apple their money, there's slightly more going on than being fooled by evil marketing
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@Jaloopa said in Apple stand:
Get your head out of your arse and realise that for some of those millions of people who give apple their money, there's slightly more going on than being fooled by evil marketing
I'm not too sure about this. For many people, the defence/preference of Apple stuff in general (Macs for example) hinges on certain "lazy" preconceptions. For instance, in certain circles, a Mac is considered essential even though it isn't by any means (graphic design, audio production). It used to be true back in the day, but we're talking about twenty or thirty years ago. Other people consider Macs as better by default just because "everybody knows that Macs are the best". For some reason many of these people gloss over the myriad problems they have on Macs and the preconception resists. Maybe it isn't marketing itself, it's more that Windows (and Windows OEMs) are still paying the consequences of having terrible reputation. Anyway, they won't even entertain the idea of not getting a Mac, some of them (eg. my sister) because they are accustomed to Macs and they claim they'd feel lost on Windows, fair enough; but others, it really is flat out refusal.
FWIW, I hate Macs. I find them counterintuitive. They are polished and shiny and more consistent design-wise, and they are nice to look at (although I'd disable all the tacky animations) but I'm much more at home on Linux, of all OSs. (Which sadly can't cut it when it comes to audio production).
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
(Which sadly can't cut it when it comes to audio production).
Does Bitwig not do it well enough?
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@Gąska said in Apple stand:
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@levicki said in Apple stand:
those who fell from a bike,
BTDT
I've broken several helmets. No broken heads. And only 1 broken bone. (while commuting! never during a race)
I've broken four I think.
Helmets or bones?
Helmets, I've only broken three bones in my life, all at the same time.
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@pie_flavor it doesn't cut it for me. I have a FireWire interface, a very good FireWire interface that I can't use on Linux because it is unsupported. Ironically I had bought it with Linux in mind because it was supported. But with firmware updates it stopped being so. So the choice is to use Windows and the latest firmware (which brings a few improvements) and install an old firmware. Considering that even though Bitwig seems to be a good DAW (it's basically another Ableton Live), I hate that style of DAW and it's very much geared towards electronic music production (other DAWs do exist, for instance Mixbus or Ardour, and I probably could mix with both of them, especially the first one, but Mixbus has no MIDI and I hate Ardour's implementation of it; I lay my hopes with native Reaper) and considering that there is a dearth of plugins on Linux (some of which I do depend on, because some things are hard to do with composition of more plugins) it simply makes no sense to be on Linux for audio unless you have outboard equipment.
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@topspin said in Apple stand:
Are you allowed to post that as a German?
Grammar nazi jokes? Why not?
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@topspin said in Apple stand:
@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@topspin said in Apple stand:
Are you allowed to post that as a German?
Grammar nazi jokes? Why not?
My understanding is that you have some laws restricting what you can post about a certain individual who caused quite a furor a few decades ago.
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@hungrier Your understanding is probably not completely but mostly wrong.
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@topspin Yeah, I wouldn't take too many bets on "probably" not being "certainly".
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@Rhywden I was hoping that I could mine a lot of humorous responses from my jokes, but I guess I'll only be able to mine fewer.
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
For many people, the defence/preference of Apple stuff in general (Macs for example) hinges on certain "lazy" preconceptions.
Unlike, of course, people who attack/don't prefer Apple?
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@Rhywden I was hoping that I could mine a lot of humorous responses from my jokes, but I guess I'll only be able to mine fewer.
That's Germans for you
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@loopback0 I wasn't talking about them. Of course , people are lazy across the board, which is why we have a consumer industry in the first place.
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@Rhywden I was hoping that I could mine a lot of humorous responses from my jokes, but I guess I'll only be able to mine fewer.
You're talking about a people where humour is strictly VERBOTEN. What were you thinking! Do you want us to go to jail?
You monster.
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@Jaloopa said in Apple stand:
If you use iTunes then it's objectively better to
have a phone that works well with ituninstall it.FTFY
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
@Jaloopa said in Apple stand:
If you use iTunes then it's objectively better to
have a phone that works well with ituninstall it.FTFY
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
@Jaloopa said in Apple stand:
If you use iTunes then it's objectively better to
have a phone that works well with ituninstall it.FTFY
iTunes is being put out to pasture, at least on macOS as it's supposedly not in the next version.
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@loopback0 it's being replaced by "Music", AFAIK. Is it any better? I remember iTunes to be a big bloated (I'm not one against features and stuff, but iTunes really is bloated and slow) piece of crap.
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
Is it any better?
It doesn't seem to be a current app so can't say yet.
iOS version of Apple Music is better but who knows if that'll translate to better on macOS.
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@admiral_p It's being split into a bunch of different apps. Music, Movies, etc. Supposedly.
Of course you still have to sync your i-device using the Music app instead of just letting a stand-alone app handle that, but
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Of course you still have to sync your i-device using the Music app instead of just letting a stand-alone app handle that, but
For fucks sake, I thought they’d realized how stupid that is.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Of course you still have to sync your i-device using the Music app instead of just letting a stand-alone app handle that, but
Yeah, and?
What's the practical difference between Music syncing it and NotMusic syncing it?
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Of course you still have to sync your i-device using the Music app instead of just letting a stand-alone app handle that, but
Yeah, and?
What's the practical difference between Music syncing it and NotMusic syncing it?Because Music also is your music player, and you can sync/backup !music to your iDevice? And it ties you to this one way of syncing instead of doing the sensible thing and letting you dump files directly onto the filesystem (now that it's user-accessible). You could even prevent syncing executables and sandbox the user files, but no. You have to use this all-or-nothing process or bust. You can't do a partial sync last I checked. It removes and then reloads all files if you change anything.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Because Music also is your music player, and you can sync/backup !music to your iDevice?
That's a problem because?
Music is the app you use to sync music to the device onthe device - at least this is consistent.
Why is having two apps instead of one better?@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
And it ties you to this one way of syncing instead of doing the sensible thing and letting you dump files directly onto the filesystem (now that it's user-accessible).
OK but this is Apple and if this was a standalone app the problem would remain.
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
You can't do a partial sync last I checked. It removes and then reloads all files if you change anything.
If you've never synced with the device before, it does this. If this is the device you normally sync to then this is untrue.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Because Music also is your music player, and you can sync/backup !music to your iDevice?
That's a problem because?
Music is the app you use to sync music to the device onthe device - at least this is consistent.
Why is having two apps instead of one better?Because you also use it to sync videos (ie files handled by a different app entirely), do backups, register new devices, etc. It's pure bloat in a music player. It also locks you into their particular way of doing things.
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
And it ties you to this one way of syncing instead of doing the sensible thing and letting you dump files directly onto the filesystem (now that it's user-accessible).
OK but this is Apple and if this was a standalone app the problem would remain.
But if it were a standalone app it would at least be a step towards that instead of being monolithic. It's like they just went half-way with their "break up the god app" intention.
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
You can't do a partial sync last I checked. It removes and then reloads all files if you change anything.
If you've never synced with the device before, it does this. If this is the device you normally sync to then this is untrue.
Then that's changed since last I synced one. Which was a long time ago, because I don't keep anything like that on my only i-Device (a school-provided iPad). It's all apps and cloud stuff.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Because you also use it to sync videos (ie files handled by a different app entirely)
Handled by the TV app after the split?
@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Then that's changed since last I synced one. Which was a long time ago
I've used iTunes since the iPod Video (2005?) and it's always worked like that.
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@loopback0 nope, not from what I read. All sync, backup, device management will be though Music.
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The Apple TV app for Mac is the new home for all your favorite movies, shows, premium channels, and — coming soon — Apple TV+
iCloud seamlessly syncs everything across your devices — or you can back up, restore, and sync by connecting the device directly to your Mac.
You can still manage your devices in Catalina, but it's now done through the Finder rather than through an app.
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@loopback0 then that's better. I must have misread what I saw earlier.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
I must have misread what I saw earlier.
Me too as I thought the Music/Podcast/TV apps handled the sync individually rather than it being unbundled until a few minutes ago.
This tiny screenshot came from Macrumors and shows it in Finder.Also no Macs dropped from support (yet?) which leaves 2012 Macs supported.
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@loopback0 Well, sort of. My 2012 macbook pros (for student use) can't even get to the most recent version (before this one). Neither can my 2012-era iMac.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 Well, sort of. My 2012 macbook pros (for student use) can't even get to the most recent version (before this one). Neither can my 2012-era iMac.
MacBook introduced in early 2015 or later
MacBook Air introduced in mid 2012 or later
MacBook Pro introduced in mid 2012 or later
Mac mini introduced in late 2012 or later
iMac introduced in late 2012 or later
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@loopback0 I'll have to look (when I'm at school next), but at least the iMac actively said it wasn't compatible.
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@Gąska said in Apple stand:
@boomzilla said in Apple stand:
@Gąska said in Apple stand:
@boomzilla said in Apple stand:
@Gąska said in Apple stand:
@boomzilla adding more features leads to more bugs. That's very different from having more features.
How do you suppose they came to be?
Not by copying the entire codebase of a competitor.
Let's say you have two very fancy mugs - one is in the shape of a wolf, the other in the shape a unicorn. They're both empty. Which one is heavier? Now, let's add 2 fl oz. of water to the unicorn. Is it heavier than before? Of course it is. But is it heavier than the wolf? Who the fuck knows. Now, let's rip off unicorn's head. Has the amount of water changed? No, it didn't. And yet the mug got lighter.
Adding water increases weight. But the amount of water doesn't tell you jack shit about the mug's weight. You cannot compare the weight of two mugs just by looking how much water they have. Features are like water. Adding more features, while keeping everything else the same, increases probability of bugs. But depending on how it's done exactly, it increases only a little, or it increases by much. And when you do change other things as well (read: refactoring), the probability of having bugs might go down. Thus, the number of features alone doesn't tell you anything about how buggy the software might be.
Apple products having less features doesn't mean they have less potential bugs. You can't measure potential bugs with number of features. Apple products having less features only tells you that it has less features.
WTF was that?
A lengthy explanation why you're wrong.
About what?
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@boomzilla do you not remember what you said?
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@Gąska what do the mugs represent? What does the water represent? What do the unicorn and wolf represent? What does removing the head represent? The analogy makes no sense on any level
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
Because you also use it to sync videos (ie files handled by a different app entirely), do backups, register new devices, etc. It's pure bloat in a music player. It also locks you into their particular way of doing things.
If they want to have a common library to do the sync, sure, whatever; ordinary users don't use that stuff directly. Tying the sync at the UI level to music specifically, that's the crazy. It's so mad that it's one of these things you say “how can anyone think it isn't mad?” as soon as you type it out.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
I'll have to look (when I'm at school next), but at least the iMac actively said it wasn't compatible.
It might depend on the CPU generation. If so, it's a hard restriction (and a technically sane one).
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@Luhmann said in Apple stand:
should have use cars ...
thinking of it ... that would actually work ...
if I modify my car ... will it weight more or less then before the modifications? Even if you know the weight of the replacement parts you can't answer the question exact.
Touching code statistically increases the bug chance of bugs and thus the bug count but you can't answer the question exactly or with enough certainty to be of value. More features, more code statistically increases bug chance but it's a chance, the bug amount might still be way smaller then expected. I know ... but sometimes dreams do come through.
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@Jaloopa said in Apple stand:
@Gąska what do the mugs represent?
Products.
What does the water represent?
Features.
What do the unicorn and wolf represent?
Products. They're made very fancy to make sure water inside isn't the dominating factor when measuring weight.
What does removing the head represent?
Altering the product without altering the feature set.
The analogy makes no sense on any level
Maybe. But it still makes more sense than saying more features mean more bugs.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Apple stand:
It's being split into a bunch of different apps. Music, Movies, etc. Supposedly.
- cp -R itunes.app music.app
- cp -R itunes.app movies.app
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if (exename == "itunes")
(like how cp/mv/etc on unix are - or at least used to be - I haven't seen the source since I left AT&T way back when...)
(Edited
cp
to be more properly mac-ish.)
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@Gąska said in Apple stand:
@boomzilla do you not remember what you said?
It didn't involve features existing that no one ever had to add.
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@boomzilla but it did involve other things which you were wrong about.
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@Gąska that was pretty much the entirety of what I said though.