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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Apple stand:
@hungrier said in Apple stand:
monitor setup held up on arms that connect to a pole
Then the pole runs off with the monitor?
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@Applied-Mediocrity The concrete pad is basically a mechanical low pass filter. :-)
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@Captain it should mostly depend on the design of the speaker itself. Some speakers are meant to couple as tightly with the mechanical structure of the room they will be used in (which enhances their bass response). For instance, car speakers invariably do this. In other cases, you want to minimise room interaction. And bass can be a big problem, which is why you employ bass traps and, for instance, floating platforms.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
A thousand dollar stand in the context of a six thousand dollar computer with a five thousand dollar display. It's not exactly aimed at your typical business.
Allegedly, the new Mac Pro is targeting the $30,000 workstation market.
(The $6,000 price is for the minimum spec model.)
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@El_Heffe I don't think businesses are keen on paying for outrageously expensive and unnecessary equipment that will not bring an increase in productivity. I've seen professional settings which had thousands of euros in professional equipment and the computer's mouse was a ten euro piece of crap because it wasn't used that much anyway.
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@blek said in Apple stand:
because they just have to use a fucking magnet instead of a standard that literally everyone else has been using for decades
I'd bet $100 the "magnetic connector" is patented.
If it's not, other companies will hopefully make their own. Maybe it could become a standard for attaching stuff.
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@admiral_p Nope. :-) In-room resonance is a totally different issue.
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@Captain what would be the drawbacks of having a speaker physically decoupled from the room? The ideal environment is, supposedly, an open field.
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@Captain and anyway how do you design a speaker to work adequately in any kind of environment? The materials employed, the size, the geometry, even the furniture (all right, that's in-room resonance) are all unknowns at the design stage.
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@admiral_p Having the speaker physically decoupled from the room means the speaker shakes transversely. The position of the speaker changes over time. It will rattle, ring, etc. Enjoy your non-deterministic listening room.
The ideal environment is an open field, sure (since it's anechoic). Put it on a concrete slab to preserve the stereo image.
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
@El_Heffe I don't think businesses are keen on paying for outrageously expensive and unnecessary equipment
I agree. And yet, somehow, Apple has become enormously rich selling mediocre, over-priced crap.
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@El_Heffe Up until the new Mac Pro, their high-end stuff wasn't too out of line with comparable high-end PCs. The new one though, nice as it is, is apparently overpriced by a huge margin. And the monitor stand costs one thousand fing US dollars.
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@El_Heffe said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
A thousand dollar stand in the context of a six thousand dollar computer with a five thousand dollar display. It's not exactly aimed at your typical business.
Allegedly, the new Mac Pro is targeting the $30,000 workstation market.
(The $6,000 price is for the minimum spec model.)OK, my point is the same, it's still not targetting the typical business.
It makes it tricker to compare the cost as you're into the sort of territory where the pricing requires discussing with a sales drone from someone like HPE rather than configuring the equivalent on their website.
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
The new one though, nice as it is, is apparently overpriced by a huge margin. And the monitor stand costs one thousand fing US dollars.
You're just too poor to be an Apple customer
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
The new one though, nice as it is, is apparently overpriced by a huge margin.
What really matters is how many of their be-turtlenecked fanbois splash out for this. If there's enough of them, the world will be a better place for this solution to their problem with having too much money.
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@dkf I think it's out of the price range of even the beardiest hipsters to get for themselves. But I'll bet there are going to be quite a few Silly Valley startups spending a lot of investor money on them.
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
I think it's out of the price range of even the beardiest hipsters to get for themselves.
No, the hipsters up in SF have that sort of money. It's just that the whole of the rest of the city is configured to extract it from them as fast as possible (especially through horrendous rates for rentals, from what I've read). Which doesn't actually surprise me at all: milking the whales is an old old practice…
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
OK, my point is the same, it's still not targetting the typical business.
Yup. It's targeting the super-funky hipster!
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@dkf said in Apple stand:
especially through horrendous rates for rentals
Like this: https://www.apartments.com/san-francisco-ca/
Only $2700-$5200/mo! (My boss was trying to buy a house. Lost the bid 3 times. He decided to pause the search because of the stress.)
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The fully spec’ed Pro is outrageously expensive but that’s because it has expensive hardware in it. If you put $30,000 worth of RAM and a $10k CPU in it, expect it to be priced appropriately, plus Apple tax.
But since this thread is about the stand, which just cannot be justified by any means:
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@Captain I meant keeping it decoupled from the floor (with stands that minimise transmission of energy from the speaker to the floor), yet firmly in place of course.
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@topspin yes. People taking photos of a stand with fucking iPads.
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@hungrier usually it used to be, at least, that their hardware is a bit overpriced considering what it is. That is, if you factor chassis quality, screen quality, etc. the cost is partly justified. Of course you can't choose to get more sensible stuff. Then you add some 20% profit margin (more than usual) and you get in Apple ripoff land.
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
@Captain I meant keeping it decoupled from the floor (with stands that minimise transmission of energy from the speaker to the floor), yet firmly in place of course.
Think of it in analogy to impedance (especially since the concrete slab is a mechanical capacitor...).
If the floor is wibbly and wobbly enough to absorb and reflect that energy to the environment (like a wood floor with a crawl space), then it's bad to couple to the floor. You end up in a resonant situation. But if your slab is big and heavy enough (an ideal floor...), that energy isn't actually transmitted to the floor. It presents "infinite impedance" to the vibrational waves.
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@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
That is, if you factor chassis quality, screen quality, etc
And, in the case of the MacBook Pro, ignore the keyboard issues
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
And, in the case of the MacBook Pro, ignore the keyboard issues
As he's talking about how it used to be, you can ignore the current ones and look at the previous MBP keyboards which were some of the best laptop keyboards available.
@topspin said in Apple stand:
plus Apple tax.
Maybe. Will be interested in some proper specs to do a proper price comparison to see if they've gone properly off the rails on this for the actual machine.
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@loopback0 I’m not sure who the target audience for this is (who does multiple 4K videos in parallel?), but for that audience it seems at least their afterburner accelerator card is massively powerful.
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@topspin said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 I’m not sure who the target audience for this is (who does multiple 4K videos in parallel?), but for that audience it seems at least their afterburner accelerator card is massively powerful.
Considering some of the Z800 series machines sold by HP have 2x 22-core Xeons with up to 2TB of RAM and a pair of Quattro cards, there's clearly a market somewhere.
(who does multiple 4K videos in parallel?)
8K video editing is a thing.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
HP have 2x 22-core Xeons with up to 2TB of RAM and a pair of Quattro cards
That should be enough to run Crysis
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
HP have 2x 22-core Xeons with up to 2TB of RAM and a pair of Quattro cards
That should be enough to run Crysis
Or more than two tabs in Chrome.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
Or more than two tabs in Chrome.
You just need a Real OS™ for that
FileUnder: what's a bookmark?
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@TimeBandit Your real OS is a :green-light: to ballache.
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@dcon said in Apple stand:
Only $2700-$5200/mo!
$2700/mo will get you a studio apartment with all the spaciousness and comforts of a prison cell, but without an MS-13 gang-banger as a roommate. Although SF is a sanctuary city, so the roommate is easily arranged, too.
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@HardwareGeek said in Apple stand:
@dcon said in Apple stand:
Only $2700-$5200/mo!
$2700/mo will get you a studio apartment with all the spaciousness and comforts of a prison cell, but without an MS-13 gang-banger as a roommate. Although SF is a sanctuary city, so the roommate is easily arranged, too.
I don't know. A prison cell probably has better amenities...
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
Where do you put the desk?
In front of the thing, something like this:
I don't have my desk right up against the wall
It's definitely nice having space underneath the screen. My monitor stand is a few pieces of wood joined together with a nice big gap in the middle, and I can shove my keyboard in there if I need the solid surface, or chuck random paper in there if I need to refer to it while typing.
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
HP have 2x 22-core Xeons with up to 2TB of RAM and a pair of Quattro cards
That should be enough to run Crysis
Or maybe even a 20-user Discourse server!
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@kazitor said in Apple stand:
Or maybe even a 20-user Discourse server!
Probably, as long as they don't use it all at the same time
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@kazitor said in Apple stand:
Or maybe even a 20-user Discourse server!
Maybe, but only if your user count was listed in base-3 for some reason...
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@kazitor said in Apple stand:
My monitor stand is a few pieces of wood joined together with a nice big gap in the middle
I can't quite visualize what you mean. Can you illustrate it by freehand drawing in Paint?
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@kazitor said in Apple stand:
My monitor stand is a few pieces of wood joined together with a nice big gap in the middle
I can't quite visualize what you mean. Can you illustrate it by freehand drawing in Paint?
Better yet, just buy one from him at the discount price of $899...
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I think it's time to refamiliarize ourselves with The Apple Wheel:
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
I think it's time to refamiliarize ourselves with The Apple Wheel:
Damn, the twitter embed includes the in-reply-to tweet too...
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@kazitor said in Apple stand:
My monitor stand is a few pieces of wood joined together with a nice big gap in the middle
I can't quite visualize what you mean. Can you illustrate it by freehand drawing in Paint?
Apologies, but this was not drawn in Paint. Hopefully the quality is adequate compensation.
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@kazitor said in Apple stand:
Hopefully the quality is adequate compensation.
+1 for multiple iterations of minimum-quality JPEG compression.
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@levicki It's not marketed to movie studios. There are a ton of equipment, software, and electronics meant for movie studios that are not prominently displayed at a consumer expo like this monitor stand is.
If you think Apple's intending this for a movie studio audience and not end-consumers, you're seriously mistaken.
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@admiral_p said in Apple stand:
Where do you put the desk?
In front of the thing, something like this:
I don't have my desk right up against the wall
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
I'm not sure VESA mounts are the size of aeroplane propellers either.
Right, that would be ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as charging $1000 for a monitor stand.
I've seen stands like that, but it was for a monitor to be visible for the entire room, not in front of a single desk.
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@levicki said in Apple stand:
That's for studios and even working on the set where monitors are moved around often.
[Citation needed]
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