The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread
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The very first thing that came to mind when I heard about GDPR is "this is a lawsuit troll's dream!". Patent trolling is rampant, but has a high barrier to entry. You have to actually own a bunch of patents, and be able to afford an office in Marshall, Texas.
But GDPR? All you have to do is create an account, send a "delete me" request, and then sue whoever doesn't respond. The fines are astronomical, and the PR of "we ain't protecting your data" is bad, so you can bet most companies will settle.
This thread is to discuss those lawsuits, and laugh at the people involved. All of them.
The first one I came across, ironically, is:
Nielsen (ratings, not milk) are being sued by their shareholders over GDPR, claiming that Neilsen misled shareholders about how prepared Neilsen was for GDPR.
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@Lorne-Kates The five-point checklist that the article cites is missing a sixth, and very important, point.
- Appointing a data protection officer.
- Locate all EU citizen data throughout your systems.
- Apply a least privilege model to all EU citizen data (granting a limited set of privileges for people to get their jobs done but no more than that).
- Generate compliance artifacts surrounding all processing activities (demonstrating accountability and transparency in all decisions regarding personal data processing activities).
- Prepare for data subjects to exercise their rights.
- Do all of this two years ago.
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I will make a prediction.
A lot of European Block Chain companies are about to go bust.
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I will make a prediction.
A lot of European Block Chain companies are about to go bust.
You could post that prediction in literally and prediction thread about anything.
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I will make a prediction.
A lot of European Block Chain companies are about to go bust.
Why did you bother putting the word "European" in there?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I will make a prediction.
A lot of European Block Chain companies are about to go bust.
Why did you bother putting the word "European" in there?
Because American companies can pull an LA Times and not get bitten by GDPR. Also the focus of the thread is GDPR and not us laughing at block chain in general. So far anyway....
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
the focus of the thread is
always blurry.
So far anyway....
Uh huh...
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
the focus of the thread is GDPR and not us laughing at block chain in general
LOL YMBNH HTH HAND
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I will make a prediction.
A lot of European Block Chain companies are about to go bust.
Is this the Shooting Fish In A Barrel Thread?
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"Just as I predicted, GDPR is taking lawsuit trolling to the next level. Anyone can sue anyone for any bullshit they want - and win! Just look at this article - a shareholder has been lied to about the state of the company and has lost big bucks due to it - and now wants compensation! The nerve! Is this the future you want to live in?"
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@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
Because American companies can pull an LA Times and not get bitten by GDPR.
Nope. GDPR also applies to EU citizens on US vacations, so they have just as much liability as if they didn't block Europe.
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@TwelveBaud last I checked, it was still undecided whether that's true or not.
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@Gąska said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
Is this the future you want to live in?
THIS IS THE FUTURE LIBERALS WANT!
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@TwelveBaud said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@DogsB said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
Because American companies can pull an LA Times and not get bitten by GDPR.
Nope. GDPR also applies to EU citizens on US vacations, so they have just as much liability as if they didn't block Europe.
Canada too? Because I'm up for some major league shits and giggles.
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@boomzilla That sounds like a Dr. Evil quote.
"We're going to fine GOOGLE, wait for it... $50 MEEELION DOLLARS!"
Guess who's going to have to wait an extra month to buy that private island?
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@boomzilla said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
France uses new EU data law to fine Google €50 million
Welp, I didn't expect the governments would join the protection-racket lawsuits before the scammers did, but there we are.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@boomzilla said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
France uses new EU data law to fine Google €50 million
Welp, I didn't expect the governments would join the protection-racket lawsuits before the scammers did, but there we are.
That's Macron's latest plan to deal with this whole gilets jaunes thing.
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@boomzilla said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
The GDPR is basically 'euros gonna euro', but every so often a tidbit jumps out at me. Like this one:
Schrems had accused Google of securing "forced consent" through the use of pop-up boxes online or on its apps which imply that its services will not be available unless people accept its conditions of use.
When can we get something like that here? Because I don't understand how 'consumer protection from predatory practice' got to mean 'we're going to keep being predatory, and the only difference is that you have to sign a very long document that you're not going to read saying we can', but I'd like it to stop.
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@Lorne-Kates You get fined proportional to the offense, yes, but then that also gets proportional to you. If a blue collar gets $5K bail, then a white collar will get $75K bail for the same crime - the goal is not to charge a fair price but to deter you from doing it again. If they use the same fine for small businesses that they use for large businesses, then either they magic it in some other way that screws over small businesses anyway, or they make it cheap enough that it's cheaper for the big business to just keep paying the fine rather than fix it.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates You get fined proportional to the offense, yes, but then that also gets proportional to you. If a blue collar gets $5K bail, then a white collar will get $75K bail for the same crime - the goal is not to charge a fair price but to deter you from doing it again. If they use the same fine for small businesses that they use for large businesses, then either they magic it in some other way that screws over small businesses anyway, or they make it cheap enough that it's cheaper for the big business to just keep paying the fine rather than fix it.
I'm all for the poor & disenfranchised getting a slap on the wrist, while the billionaires get sliced open from anus to mouth with a rusty spork.
And by that I mean literally. Forget the cash.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
from anus to mouth
over the top, along the bottom or around the side(s)?
INB4
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@kazitor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
from anus to mouth
over the top, along the bottom or around the side(s)?
INB4
Spiral?
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
When can we get something like that here?
Did hell just freeze over? It feels chilly here.
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@topspin hmm?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@kazitor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
from anus to mouth
over the top, along the bottom or around the side(s)?
INB4
Spiral?
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I'm all for the poor & disenfranchised getting a slap on the wrist, while the billionaires get sliced open from anus to mouth with a rusty spork.
And by that I mean literally. Forget the cash.Stuff like this is why they're rich.
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@xaade said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I'm all for the poor & disenfranchised getting a slap on the wrist, while the billionaires get sliced open from anus to mouth with a rusty spork.
And by that I mean literally. Forget the cash.Stuff like this is why they're rich.
Stuff like inheriting wealth, not paying taxes, screwing over employees at every possibility, rigging the legal and governmental systems in their favor, and exploiting the labor of their workers is why they're rich.
If we brought out the sporks every now and then, things wouldn't be so disparate.
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@Lorne-Kates So what you really mean is that you're salty you're not rich, and opt for 'bring them down to my level' instead of 'bring me up to their level'.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
When can we get something like that here? Because I don't understand how 'consumer protection from predatory practice' got to mean 'we're going to keep being predatory, and the only difference is that you have to sign a very long document that you're not going to read saying we can', but I'd like it to stop.
You now know about the practices, so you can make an informed decision as to whether or not you consent to them. That's all the protection you need. If you don't like their practices, stop using the service.
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@Unperverted-Vixen A right you must sign away to get anything done is no right at all.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates So what you really mean is that you're salty you're not rich, and opt for 'bring them down to my level' instead of 'bring me up to their level'.
Only if you consider 99% of the world's population to be on a "lower" level.
(There's a reason rich people mass-executing poor people is called a massacre, while poor people mass-guillotining the rich is called a revolution).
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@Lorne-Kates Got nothing to do with rich vs poor. Revolution is about oppression. And I guarantee you that Steve Ballmer does not oppress you one smidgen.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates Got nothing to do with rich vs poor. Revolution is about oppression. And I guarantee you that Steve Ballmer does not oppress you one smidgen.
Pssst-- who do you think is doing the oppression, and by what means they use to amass the power, influence and control to be able to do the oppression?
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates Got nothing to do with rich vs poor. Revolution is about oppression. And I guarantee you that Steve Ballmer does not oppress you one smidgen.
Pssst-- who do you think is doing the oppression, and by what means they use to amass the power, influence and control to be able to do the oppression?
Nobody is doing the oppression.
On purpose.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
And I guarantee you that Steve Ballmer does not oppress you one smidgen.
Not anymore, anyway. Except on the rare occasions the Clippers beat the Warriors.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@xaade said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
I'm all for the poor & disenfranchised getting a slap on the wrist, while the billionaires get sliced open from anus to mouth with a rusty spork.
And by that I mean literally. Forget the cash.Stuff like this is why they're rich.
Stuff like inheriting wealth, not paying taxes, screwing over employees at every possibility, rigging the legal and governmental systems in their favor, and exploiting the labor of their workers is why they're rich.
If we brought out the sporks every now and then, things wouldn't be so disparate.
They're not exploiting labor. We could all start a co-op initiative. We just don't want to take the risk.
But what I mean is that, the reason they're uber rich is because people WILL rip them in half.
You want to throw a CEO in jail when they fuck up, but then you're shocked when they earn millions. No one is going to want that position for the same pay as the laborer that takes no risk and is not held responsible.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
Only if you consider 99% of the world's population to be on a "lower" level.
It wouldn't matter how much higher, or not much higher at all, the top 1% is, they'd be on a higher level. This is... like basic math. Do you not understand how % works?
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@xaade said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
But what I mean is that, the reason they're uber rich is because people WILL rip them in half.
When was the last time that actually happened?
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@xaade said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
You want to throw a CEO in jail when they fuck up, but then you're shocked when they earn millions. No one is going to want that position for the same pay as the laborer that takes no risk and is not held responsible.
Yeah. And then they even get thrown into Club Fed! IF they get convicted...
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@dkf said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@xaade said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
But what I mean is that, the reason they're uber rich is because people WILL rip them in half.
When was the last time that actually happened?
Not recently enough.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates You get fined proportional to the offense, yes, but then that also gets proportional to you. If a blue collar gets $5K bail, then a white collar will get $75K bail for the same crime - the goal is not to charge a fair price but to deter you from doing it again. If they use the same fine for small businesses that they use for large businesses, then either they magic it in some other way that screws over small businesses anyway, or they make it cheap enough that it's cheaper for the big business to just keep paying the fine rather than fix it.
Bail is not meant to be a deterrent to doing the alleged offense again, it's meant to be a motive for showing up for trial.
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@jinpa Yes, the deterrent statement corresponded to the fines instead of the analogy of bail.
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@pie_flavor said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Lorne-Kates So what you really mean is
that you're salty you're not rich, and opt for 'bring them down to my level' instead of 'bring me up to their level'fuck you, give me money.FTFY.
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The school maintains it had its students’ consent, but the DPA found there was no valid legal basis for this as there’s a “clear imbalance between the data subject and the controller.”
Yeah, that's popping up regularly - basically, you need to ask yourself: "Does the student really feel in a position where he can freely decide?"
For instance, our offer of Office 365 to our students is not bound to any duty to accept this - we have plenty of freely accessible PCs where the student can do any Office-related work without having to register anywhere. If we were to require pupils to take up this free offer, that would open quite a can of worms.
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@Rhywden said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
you need to ask yourself: "Does the student really feel in a position where he can freely decide?"
: "So, pupil, do you want to give your consent to participating, or drop out of school and spend the rest of your life washing dishes? Your choice, we won't force you in any way!"
Along the same lines as the "argument" from above:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
You now know about the practices, so you can make an informed decision as to whether or not you consent to them.
As documented , I chose that route concerning WhatsApp: read their terms of service, didn't like them, don't use it, Consequence: my social life has taken a big hit. I'm mostly out of the loop of anything going on among the people I know, as all of them communicate over WhatsApp. Not sure many people would be ready to pay that price.
And this is presupposing that you have both the time to read the terms of service for every single service you use, and the knowledge and mental capacity to decipher what they really mean as well as figure out all the ramifications.
ETA: Wait, what's that "two months later" toaster doing here? I swear this was right near the top of the threads list
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@ixvedeusi said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
@Rhywden said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
you need to ask yourself: "Does the student really feel in a position where he can freely decide?"
: "So, pupil, do you want to give your consent to participating, or drop out of school and spend the rest of your life washing dishes? Your choice, we won't force you in any way!"
I can't speak for certain about Germany, but in NL going to school is mandatory up to a certain age (and up to a second higher age if you don't have a diploma before that). Dropping out may not actually be an option which is available to the pupil - they'd have to find a different school which does not have the requirement.
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@Rhywden said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
"Does the student really feel in a position where he can freely decide?"
Homeschooling would be an alternative, wouldn't it?
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@lolwhat said in The Official GDPR Lawsuit thread:
Homeschooling would be an alternative, wouldn't it?
Not a thing on the other side of the pond.
Edit: Seems to be legal in quite a few European countries, though. TIL I don't really know the laws around here as well as I thought.