Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Discord does that, Discourse does that, Twitter does that
And? Why are those examples of the correct behaviour?
Because they are consistent. They render the letter "c" the same way always, they render the character ΒΆ the same always, they render the emoji π΅ the same way always.
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
even NodeBB apparently does that if you tell it to. Fuck knows why Ben hasn't told it to.
There'd be a thread that's like this one, but the opposite, when someone's typed an emoji and got an image of one instead.
Ah. But there are characters you can add to text to indicate that it should not be formatted (in fact, I used them in my post above this one), but there is nothing you can do to the character π₯ to make it formatted as .
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@loopback0 You forgot to respond to the rest of that.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Tsaukpaetra Discord does that, Discourse does that, Twitter does that, and even NodeBB apparently does that if you tell it to. Fuck knows why Ben hasn't told it to.
Discord, discourse, Twitter, and NodeBB render the whole page and send an image of the page with an image map for links?
TIL.
No, they do the other thing.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
they render the emoji π΅ the same way always.
renders the π΅emoji the same always.
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
there is nothing you can do to the character π₯ to make it formatted as .
True, but you can just insert .
FAKE EDIT: I quoted text including the image, which has disappeared unlike the emoji. The behaviour is better here. This is a reason not to replace emoji with images of emoji.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
they render the emoji π΅ the same way always.
How do they render the emoji or the emoji ?
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
they render the emoji π΅ the same way always.
renders the π΅emoji the same always.
Nope, it doesn't. Look, here's another rendering!
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
there is nothing you can do to the character π₯ to make it formatted as .
True, but you can just insert .
FAKE EDIT: I quoted text including the image, which has disappeared unlike the emoji. The behaviour is better here. This is a reason not to replace emoji with images of emoji.
No, it's not a reason not to do that. It's a reason to fix that stupid fucking broken behavior too. NodeBB legitimately feels like someone tried to make forum software that looked on the surface level like other forum software and had a few neat tricks, and stopped there instead of investing time into the quality that such an advanced UI would indicate.
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@Luhmann said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
"We recommend running at least one unicorn for every 3 hamsters attached to the server."
Unless you have threads with more then 1000 posts.
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@Jaloopa said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
they render the emoji π΅ the same way ailways.
How do they render the emoji or the emoji ?
Well, they don't have the *looks at legal information* The Daily WTF Custom Emoji Emoji Set. If they did, though, they'd render it like that.
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@Jaloopa said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
they render the emoji π΅ the same way always.
How do they render the emoji or the emoji ?
The image is rendered accordingly on our Discord.
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
I type πΆ I get πΆ.
I type the :text: for I get .Why should we have two different ways to type a "face without mouth" emoji that result in two different "face without mouth" emojis?
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
It's a reason to fix that stupid fucking broken behavior too.
Yes, it's a reason to do that too.
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@anotherusername said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
I type πΆ I get πΆ.
I type the :text: for I get .Why should we have two different ways to type a "face without mouth" emoji that result in two different "face without mouth" emojis?
Why should I type πΆand get ?
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Frankly, I'm losing track of exactly what it is that @pie_flavour wants due to it not being actually spelled out in the bug report and me being proudly on the whole concept. Unfortunately, that does make it quite hard to effectively argue against whatever his point is
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@loopback0 Why should you type :βface_without_mouth: and get ?
Why should you typei
and get i?
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@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
If I need to enter an emoji into any program, I push
windows key + period
because SOMEHOW the Windows 10 emoji selector is better than any other app's emoji selector that I have used.Unfortunately, my Android phone doesn't have that. Neither does my Win 7 desktop. As I am not in the habit of using emoji in business communications, I'm not sure I've ever even seen the Win 10 emoji selector.
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@Jaloopa said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Frankly, I'm losing track of exactly what it is that @pie_flavour wants due to it not being actually spelled out in the bug report and me being proudly on the whole concept. Unfortunately, that does make it quite hard to effectively argue against whatever his point is
When you type an emoji character, it should get turned into a forum emoji instead of getting left as a Unicode emoji, so that it renders consistently on the forum instead of whatever the default for your OS is.
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@pie_flavor does the same apply to normal text? How do you know what
i
will look like on whatever fonts the user has installed? And why is it up to the forum to decide to override my font choices?
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@HardwareGeek said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
If I need to enter an emoji into any program, I push
windows key + period
because SOMEHOW the Windows 10 emoji selector is better than any other app's emoji selector that I have used.Unfortunately, my Android phone doesn't have that. Neither does my Win 7 desktop. As I am not in the habit of using emoji in business communications, I'm not sure I've ever even seen the Win 10 emoji selector.
It's got the usual categories and selectability while being fast and smooth. However you can also start typing an emoji name and it'll search for that emoji, and if you pick one at that point it'll replace what you wrote with the emoji. Rather similar to typing : and starting the emoji, except it doesn't take up useless space with all six skin colors and the textual name.
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@anotherusername said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
I type πΆ I get πΆ.
I type the :text: for I get .Why should we have two different ways to type a "face without mouth" emoji that result in two different "face without mouth" emojis?
Why should I type πΆand get ?
I don't care which one you should get. We should have one "face without mouth" emoji and no matter which way you type it, you should get the same emoji, not different ones depending on how you type it.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
When you type an emoji character, it should get turned into a forum emoji instead of getting left as a Unicode emoji, so that it renders consistently on the forum instead of whatever the default for your OS is.
If a color emoji web font was used, the Unicode emoji would render consistently according to whatever .svg is packaged for that code point in the web font.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Why should you type :βface_without_mouth: and get ?
Because if I've typed that, I've done it deliberately to get a .
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@HardwareGeek said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
As I am not in the habit of using emoji in business communications, I'm not sure I've ever even seen the Win 10 emoji selector.
I didn't even know it had one. Before repeatedly typing them in this topic, I knew macOS had one but I had to Google how to launch it every time.
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Why should you type :βface_without_mouth: and get ?
Because if I've typed that, I've done it deliberately to get a .
And if I've typed πΆ, I've done it deliberately to get the same thing. Either explain how autoformatting can be an alternative to the evils of autoformatting or find some other reason.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
And if I've typed πΆ, I've done it deliberately to get the same thing.
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@Jaloopa said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor does the same apply to normal text? How do you know what
i
will look like on whatever fonts the user has installed?Because the site specifies which font to use, and if it's a font that the user might not have installed, the site can specify what font file to download and use.
And why is it up to the forum to decide to override my font choices?
Because your browser, like mine, is configured to let sites decide which fonts to use.
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@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
FAKE EDIT: I quoted text including the image, which has disappeared unlike the emoji. The behaviour is better here. This is a reason not to replace emoji with images of emoji.
I'm pretty sure they fought us over making that work, too.
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@Jaloopa said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Frankly, I'm losing track of exactly what it is that @pie_flavour wants due to it not being actually spelled out in the bug report and me being proudly on the whole concept. Unfortunately, that does make it quite hard to effectively argue against whatever his point is
The bug should be "the posting user doesn't get to choose the behaviour regarding whether emojis are replaced with images of emojis or not", although that's been covered at some point in the topic.
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@loopback0 no, that bug is more for users who want to disable text replacements that sometimes happen unexpectedly when they shouldn't (e.g. the number .
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@HardwareGeek said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
If I need to enter an emoji into any program, I push
windows key + period
because SOMEHOW the Windows 10 emoji selector is better than any other app's emoji selector that I have used.Unfortunately, my Android phone doesn't have that. Neither does my Win 7 desktop. As I am not in the habit of using emoji in business communications, I'm not sure I've ever even seen the Win 10 emoji selector.
My Windows 10 desktop's keyboard doesn't even have a Windows key! :)
While I do use very simple ASCII smileys like
:)
,:(
, and:\
in casual communication, I almost never use graphical equivalents except when various systems automatically replace them. Here I've gotten used to using the colon popup to insert a couple of local favorites like and not using two colons surrounding a word to indicate sound effects and other non-verbals.Online communication is weird.
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@Parody said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
except when various systems automatically replace them.
It's especially "fun" when they do that in the middle of a code block, command string, or such.
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@HardwareGeek What if you post some Swift code with π© emoji and it gets turned into
:pile_of_poo:
?
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@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
What are the decorations on the cake meant to depict?
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@boomzilla Probably some GW2 thing.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@boomzilla Probably some GW2 thing.
What? The Great War was WW1. It doesn't make sense to call WW2 GW2. Who does that?
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@boomzilla said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@boomzilla Probably some GW2 thing.
What? The Great War was WW1. It doesn't make sense to call WW2 GW2. Who does that?
It also doesn't make sense to call Guild Wars 2 GW2 because the guild wars ended centuries ago.
Anyway, it's this bow:
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@anonymous234 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
and if we're being pedantic, all characters are individual images
<> No. All glyphs are individual images. </> The mapping of characters to glyphs is⦠complicated, especially so in languages that are ligature-heavy.
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@hungrier said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@HardwareGeek What if you post some Swift code with π© emoji and it gets turned into
:pile_of_poo:
?The whole Swift program gets transformed into that? I can believe that would be a useful feature, yesβ¦
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@dkf Drats, I've been out-pedanted.
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@anotherusername said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@ben_lubar said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Parody said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
I get annoyed with that; if I type :) I want a colon and a right parenthesis
I have modified one of these settings and do not plan to modify the other.
Those should be user settings, if nothing else.
Yeah, let's make post-baking settings per-user so that the first person to read a post gets their settings permanently stored in the TDWTF post cache.
No, he means users should be able to decide whether they want
:D
to show up as :D or as in their own posts.Alternately, store the raw and then users can each decide how they want to see posts that contain such.
But that probably breaks embeds (or something), doesn't it?
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Jaloopa No, what matters is that it's the same picture of the cactus. It's called consistency.[...] There's a switch right there in the settings to enable this feature and there's no reason not to have it.
No. There's no reason for that switch to even exist in the first place.
I like being able to hover over the picture and see the name for the image that someone chose to use. Some of those unicode things are quite obscure.
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@djls45 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Jaloopa No, what matters is that it's the same picture of the cactus. It's called consistency.[...] There's a switch right there in the settings to enable this feature and there's no reason not to have it.
Some of those unicode things are quite obscure.
what?
If you're talking about wanting to see what an image is supposed to be, well, it'd still do that.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@loopback0 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
Why should you type :βface_without_mouth: and get ?
Because if I've typed that, I've done it deliberately to get a .
And if I've typed πΆ, I've done it deliberately to get the same thing. Either explain how autoformatting can be an alternative to the evils of autoformatting or find some other reason.
What keyboard do you have that has that key?
You went to the trouble to use a unicode emoji picker to pick that particular emoji, and you're complaining that the forum should show something different?
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@djls45 I went to the "trouble" of using an emoji picker. I don't really care whether it's Unicode or SVG data or a scan of a crayon drawing on a wooden table. I type an emoji, I want to see the emoji, the same as I see other emoji.
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@djls45 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Jaloopa No, what matters is that it's the same picture of the cactus. It's called consistency.[...] There's a switch right there in the settings to enable this feature and there's no reason not to have it.
Some of those unicode things are quite obscure.
what?
If you're talking about wanting to see what an image is supposed to be, well, it'd still do that.Quick! Without looking it up, what is this supposed to be? β¨
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@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@djls45 I went to the "trouble" of using an emoji picker. I don't really care whether it's Unicode or SVG data or a scan of a crayon drawing on a wooden table. I type an emoji, I want to see the emoji, the same as I see other emoji.
Ah, so you're complaining that the forum is incompatible with the OS emoji picker, when the forum has a perfectly good emoji picker of its own.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@djls45 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Jaloopa No, what matters is that it's the same picture of the cactus. It's called consistency.[...] There's a switch right there in the settings to enable this feature and there's no reason not to have it.
Some of those unicode things are quite obscure.
what?
If you're talking about wanting to see what an image is supposed to be, well, it'd still do that.Quick! Without looking it up, what is this supposed to be? β¨
Bacon sizzling on a hot plate? A teleporter pad? A falling medicine capsule? Three flags on a submarine?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@djls45 said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@pie_flavor said in Emoji do not get rendered with EmojiOne:
@Jaloopa No, what matters is that it's the same picture of the cactus. It's called consistency.[...] There's a switch right there in the settings to enable this feature and there's no reason not to have it.
Some of those unicode things are quite obscure.
what?
If you're talking about wanting to see what an image is supposed to be, well, it'd still do that.Quick! Without looking it up, what is this supposed to be? β¨
And I looked it up
hot springs