Windows Update removed my Home Group
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@El_Heffe said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Stupid question of the day: What exactly is the purpose of Home Group supposed to be?
I've been setting up and accessing shared folders on my computers for years without ever using Home Group. I know that it is a thing, but I literally have no idea what it is supposed to do or why it exists.
And apparently neither does anyone else, since Microsoft removed it in the latest release.
It's supposed to be an easy way to automatically share user folders and printers automatically. In theory, so long as you had the same usernames, it would also allow you to easily access your documents and pictures and whatever on other machines in the same homegroup.
I've never gotten it to actually work, though I've heard success stories from computer illiterates once.
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@TheCPUWizard said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
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@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
Not for me. I installed it as normal update last night.
Feature updates will install with the other updates if you don't have a known hardware conflict
I have a known hardware conflict. Busted GPU. Always hangs up mid-update. Had it happen like 30 times already. Tried every method I could to prevent it. Revoking the SYSTEM user permission to access certain C:\Windows subdirectories worked for like two months, but it's updating again now. Thankfully it's summer break and I don't actually need that laptop until September.
Did you try replacing things so you have working hardware???
Replacing hardware costs money.
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@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
"alternative"
Their alternative is to share using OneDrive or other cloudy thingies
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@Luhmann said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
"alternative"
Their alternative is to share using OneDrive or other cloudy thingies
Yeah.
It's much like saying "the alternative to travel from Kowloon Tong to Wong Tai Sin (both near center of the image) is to fly by plane from Hong Kong to Beijing than back to Hong Kong". It certainly will work.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@El_Heffe said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Stupid question of the day: What exactly is the purpose of Home Group supposed to be?
I've been setting up and accessing shared folders on my computers for years without ever using Home Group. I know that it is a thing, but I literally have no idea what it is supposed to do or why it exists.
And apparently neither does anyone else, since Microsoft removed it in the latest release.
It's supposed to be an easy way to automatically share user folders and printers automatically. In theory, so long as you had the same usernames, it would also allow you to easily access your documents and pictures and whatever on other machines in the same homegroup.
I've never gotten it to actually work, though I've heard success stories from computer illiterates once.
It's to allow users logged-on computers within the same HomeGroup able to access other computers without having to create user accounts on every machine (so each "owner" of machines within the group need not enable other users within the same group console login), and don't need to have headache on have the password synchronized between them.
You can configure the machines the old way, but the complexity of setup increase with the number of computers in your network. (I currently have 3 desktops and 2 laptops at home)
I should have deployed a domain for this network but there are 3 problems: 1) we need yet another machine running as domain controller. And that machine had better not fail-able as it would be single point of failure (the other machines can access each other without any problem even if my machine fails as HomeGroup operate on peer-to-peer model); 2) one of the laptop is Win7 Home that cannot join domains; 3) It's not like that my brother or sister would want me to be able to login their machines.
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@cheong Just get fucking DropBox or OneDrive like every normal person did 5 years ago.
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@blakeyrat what a great advice. Just send your file through the internet just so it can get to the machine in the next room, while there is a perfectly good solution to keep the data on your local network.
Oh, you where just defending another dumb move by Microsoft? Carry on then
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
It's supposed to be an easy way to automatically share user folders and printers automatically. In theory, so long as you had the same usernames, it would also allow you to easily access your documents and pictures and whatever on other machines in the same homegroup.
I've never gotten it to actually work, though I've heard success stories from computer illiterates once.It worked well for us, allowing the kids to access the office printer when they needed to print in colour. In XP era this required us to set up a special account for printer sharing on the office computer and do some fiddly config on the kids' computers; HomeGroup made the whole thing much easier.
Except that every now and then the computers would get into a deadlock where every computer on the network would think another computer had started the homegroup, so none of them actually did. (The fix was to shut down all but one, then get that one to kick things off before restarting the others.)
I honestly can't remember what steps I used to get the printer sharing working again in Win10 but I know it is - my son just printed something to the office printer this morning.
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@TimeBandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@blakeyrat what a great advice. Just send your file through the internet just so it can get to the machine in the next room, while there is a perfectly good solution to keep the data on your local network.
How about: it's fucking usable and you can set it up in less than 9 months and when you do it just silently works forever.
Nobody gives a shit about implementation details. "Oooo! The file goes to the moon and back! My monocle is flying off!!!" WHO CARES it shows up on the destination machine in like 4 seconds, that's the bit that matters.
@TimeBandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Oh, you where just defending another dumb move by Microsoft? Carry on then
Huh? No the dumb move by Microsoft is making simple file-sharing in their OS an unusable mess nobody could figure out for decades. I'm criticizing Microsoft in that post, not praising it.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Nobody gives a shit about implementation details.
Depends on the details. Imagine your cloud solution for someone stuck with MilwaukeePC.
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@boomzilla said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Imagine your cloud solution for someone stuck with MilwaukeePC.
Nobody is stuck on dialup.
Or it's their fault for living in shitty county
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@boomzilla Yeah well I preferred it back when DriveSync or whatever the fuck it was called before OneDrive allowed direct syncing between two computers without going through a third-party server. It was the first feature they canned after renaming it OneDrive. OH LOOK MORE MICROSOFT CRITICISM BUT I AM SUCH A TOADIE WHAT THE HELL.
Now products like that no longer exist, and the best you get is DropBox/OneDrive/whatever. Sorry. Software gets progressively worse over time, not better. Welcome to hell.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
my son just printed something to the office printer this morning.
:20bux: says he used Universal Plug and Play and bypassed sharing entirely.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Software gets progressively worse over time, not better. Welcome to hell.
Maybe you should try something else beside Windows
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@TimeBandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Maybe you should try something else beside Windows
If Linux is getting better over time, and I doubt it is, the only reason is that it started so much further behind.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@TimeBandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@blakeyrat what a great advice. Just send your file through the internet just so it can get to the machine in the next room, while there is a perfectly good solution to keep the data on your local network.
How about: it's fucking usable and you can set it up in less than 9 months and when you do it just silently works forever.
How about another thing that is fucking usable that you should have mentioned? I copied the file via a USB flash drive.
There's no reason that I need to send a file across public network in order to send a file between two PCs literally side-by-side to each other.
There's still lots of places where you only got dialup connection or GSM/satellite one - all of the are metered, one of them is painfully slow and one of them is expensive as hell. Anything involves public internet connection don't help. (My friend who work on ship for example, don't have internet access at all because that's expensive, and each time he travels across Pacific Ocean takes 5 days to 1 week.)
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@cheong I've got a great solution for this. You make a zip file containing 2 cat pictures, a left wing rant, a right wing rant, and a food to avoid. The sending user decides which file their file to "send" is most similar to, and their client sends the appropriate 3-bit identifier to the target machine, which provides the appropriate choice out of the 5 files available to the receiving user.
Bam, 90% of use cases taken care of.
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@cheong Wow you're an angry fellow today.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong Wow you're an angry fellow today.
Is he angry in this topic?
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
If Linux is getting better over time, and I doubt it is
Well, it will never be on feature-parity with Windows, since it will never force-reboot while you're using it
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@TimeBandit What? You just use
jot
,cron
, andshutdown
.
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@Gribnit Just put this in your crontab
0 * * * * sleep $((RANDOM%3600)) && reboot
Bam, random reboot every hour !
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@TimeBandit nah, I don't think $RANDOM is in POSIX, but a lot of places have BSD utilities.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
silently works forever.
until it silently breaks because Teh Cloud.
@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
WHO CARES it shows up on the destination machine in like 4 seconds
Chewing up bandwidth that you're paying for along the way. And exposing details about the file to whoever's hardware it crosses.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong Wow you're an angry fellow today.
Is he angry in this topic?
"Huge frustration", I'd say.