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@jinpa said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@topspin said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@djls45 said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Gąska That's funny, but I feel like I need to have you note the category.
This isn't the salon, and I didn't feel offended by his joke.
I was more offended by the joke he was replying to.
What joke?
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@Carnage I do have an option to commute by train here too. But due to some nice
the railroad is 20km longer than the regular road, so the bus is faster. Also, during winter half of the trains are replaced by buses anyway.
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Also, during winter half of the trains are replaced by buses anyway.
Front half? Back half?
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@gordonjcp said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dkf It doesn't have to be an instant dead stop. If you are behind me - even on adaptive cruise - at 0.8 seconds behind, then if I brake lightly you will hit the back of my car.
Except your car's brakes also obey the laws of physics, and won't come to an instant dead stop under any normal circumstances. So long as the system notices the hard braking fast enough — it has the advantage of never losing attention, which is a really important point — it will respond in time. (Also assuming that my brakes are kept in good enough condition and that I'm not too close for the road conditions, both of which are things that the driver needs to allow for when setting the inter-vehicle distance and target speed.)
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@dkf said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@gordonjcp said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dkf It doesn't have to be an instant dead stop. If you are behind me - even on adaptive cruise - at 0.8 seconds behind, then if I brake lightly you will hit the back of my car.
Except your car's brakes also obey the laws of physics, and won't come to an instant dead stop under any normal circumstances. So long as the system notices the hard braking fast enough — it has the advantage of never losing attention, which is a really important point — it will respond in time. (Also assuming that my brakes are kept in good enough condition and that I'm not too close for the road conditions, both of which are things that the driver needs to allow for when setting the inter-vehicle distance and target speed.)
There is also a rather large difference in stopping distance between various variables of the vehicles. Shitty tires can double the stopping distance under active breaking, as can vehicle weights and brake pad quality (maybe not double though), so if you drive around on shitty tires in a heavy SUV and a track day enthusiast in front of you slams the brakes, even if your nanny brakes react before contact, you may still plow into them with gusto.
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@Carnage I'm not sure what you mean by "shitty" tires - do you mean that the threads have been worn down? That would actually increase the braking force as that is proportional to the contact area with the road's surface.
That's for dry roads, of course, under adverse conditions (rain / snow) bad threads will be counterproductive.
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@Rhywden
a reverse trollybus!
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@Rhywden No, not just that. The compound they are made of also makes a significant difference for stopping distance.
Cheapo chinesium tires that last forever also usually have absurd stopping distances due to poor grip for instance. Winter friction tires during summer is also a really bad idea for the same reason.
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@Carnage said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Cheapo chinesium tires
I thought chinesium was a metal. You mean it can be a rubber-like compound too? Chinese engineering is truly marvelous!
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@dkf But there's the thing, it doesn't pay attention. It doesn't anticipate. It just watches the back of the car in front and if it starts to slow down then after a few seconds it'll decide to start slowing down too.
The problem with all these things is that they're not looking as far up the road as a human driver would and they're not expecting other human drivers to do something daft. They react, they don't anticipate.
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@Rhywden Shitty rubber compound, as well as excessive wear, poor tyre choice for weather conditions, incorrect tyre pressures and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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@Carnage Mr Track Day won't be able to stop because he'll have shitty track day brakes, with pads as shiny and hard as bathroom tiles. Because Race Car.
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@gordonjcp said in Commuting WTF Thread:
It just watches the back of the car in front and if it starts to slow down then after a few seconds it'll decide to start slowing down too.
Are you sure it takes a few seconds? (Serious question, I'm not a car guru.)
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@jinpa said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@gordonjcp said in Commuting WTF Thread:
It just watches the back of the car in front and if it starts to slow down then after a few seconds it'll decide to start slowing down too.
Are you sure it takes a few seconds? (Serious question, I'm not a car guru.)
Depends on the system. Some of them are more "aggressive". Others engage when the driver does not react to a warning and the system decides that only an automatic emergency brake can save the car from crashing now. Don't know if the latter skips the warning if the distance is already below the reaction threshold of the driver, though.
Though it would be a great feature if all those systems had an annoying warning buzz you cannot disable if you're travelling at outside-city speeds and trail the car in front of you at below, say, half the required security distance. And anything between half and the full security distance would make a warning light go on.
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@gordonjcp said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dkf But there's the thing, it doesn't pay attention. It doesn't anticipate. It just watches the back of the car in front and if it starts to slow down then after a few seconds it'll decide to start slowing down too.
The problem with all these things is that they're not looking as far up the road as a human driver would and they're not expecting other human drivers to do something daft. They react, they don't anticipate.
It's not a few seconds. It's way faster.
Also unlike humans it's always watching whatever's in front, and while it reacts it can do so faster.
So yeah, if you're some amazing super driver who's so awesome they can anticipate all sorts of things that may happen and do something about it in a split second there's no point but if you're a normal human it's likely a worthwhile addition just in case.
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@loopback0 Not to mention that even when you just react to the warnings the system will make you brake harder than you normally would - you usually don't try to stomp the pedal flat in the beginning.
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@Rhywden That's very true. I've noticed many times on my car (with adaptive CC) that not only does it brakes by itself with no humanly-noticeable delay (*), but when it starts braking it "preloads" the brake pedal, meaning that when I take back control by braking a tiny bit, it brakes much harder than the same foot pressure in other circumstances.
It's actually a bit surprising the first few times, you tend to over-brake somewhat, but it doesn't take much to get used to and while in normal circumstances it doesn't matter a lot, I can very well see how it would be a safety feature in case of emergency braking.
(*) to answer @gordonjcp question, it takes much, much less than a second to react, even when the car in front brakes hard. Of course I've been lucky until now to never have the car in front absolutely slamming their brakes in an emergency, so I don't know how it would react in that case, but in normal commute-traffic-with-its-share-of-morons, it reacts essentially instantaneously.
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@boomzilla said in Commuting WTF Thread:
in a separate thread.https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/26896/netherlands-protests/12
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@boomzilla said in Commuting WTF Thread:
in a separate thread.https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/26896/netherlands-protests/12
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@boomzilla said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Parliament flooded with tractors
This has had little to no traction
Heh.
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@loopback0 said in Commuting WTF Thread:
if you're some amazing super driver who's so awesome they can anticipate all sorts of things that may happen
Like, say, watching the traffic in front of the vehicle in front of you?
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@boomzilla "Sneak through the window!"
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@Rhywden said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Depends on the system. Some of them are more "aggressive". Others engage when the driver does not react to a warning and the system decides that only an automatic emergency brake can save the car from crashing now. Don't know if the latter skips the warning if the distance is already below the reaction threshold of the driver, though.
The emergency brake system is separate from the adaptive cruise. The latter is very clearly tuned for highways.
Though it would be a great feature if all those systems had an annoying warning buzz you cannot disable if you're travelling at outside-city speeds and trail the car in front of you at below, say, half the required security distance. And anything between half and the full security distance would make a warning light go on.
I've got that. It shows as a band of LEDs that progressively light up apparently along the bottom of the windscreen and a highly annoying beeper for closer in. Alas, it gets a false positive on some roads round here due to the shitty way some people park and the bend of the road; yes, I'll hit the cars if I keep going straight, but I do plan to go round the curve there... once I actually get to it, and I can't start the manoeuvre sooner because of more of those parked cars.
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Me: Driving to work, minding my own business, going slightly under the speed limit due to slippery road conditions with dew and leaves
You: Reversing blindly out of your driveway onto a main road with a 70kph speed limit
Me: Braking sharply to avoid smashing into your unobservant ass
You: Flipping me the V and swearing at me for coming too close to your car
Me: What the Flying Monkey Eating Pancakes While Masturbating in Midair over the Cathedral Altar?!
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@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Me: Driving to work, minding my own business, going slightly under the speed limit due to slippery road conditions with dew and leaves
You: Reversing blindly out of your driveway onto a main road with a 70kph speed limit
Me: Braking sharply to avoid smashing into your unobservant ass
You: Flipping me the V and swearing at me for coming too close to your car
Me: What the Flying Monkey Eating Pancakes While Masturbating in Midair over the Cathedral Altar?!Those days, it's really nice to be driving a junker. Especially something like the Volvo 850, that's pretty much unkillable so you can still get to work even if his car is totalled. :D
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@Carnage said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Me: Driving to work, minding my own business, going slightly under the speed limit due to slippery road conditions with dew and leaves
You: Reversing blindly out of your driveway onto a main road with a 70kph speed limit
Me: Braking sharply to avoid smashing into your unobservant ass
You: Flipping me the V and swearing at me for coming too close to your car
Me: What the Flying Monkey Eating Pancakes While Masturbating in Midair over the Cathedral Altar?!Those days, it's really nice to be driving a junker. Especially something like the Volvo 850, that's pretty much unkillable so you can still get to work even if his car is totalled. :D
These days I need to get a dashcam with forward and back cameras.... As for the junker.... I've got a '05 Prius that needs a fair bit of work..... I wouldn't object to someone else totaling it so long as they actually have insurance, and we both walk away from the incident with no more than adrenaline shock and maybe some light bruising.
I'm still waiting for the person who totaled my last car to be in a financial position that they can pay for it because they were uninsured when they schmucked me. My insurance covered me, but i'm still out my deductible, and I'd like that back.
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@Vixen Mandatory car insurance is good! And if that fails, we do have part of the government with the rights to come take your stuff if you can't pay something you're legally required to do.
Although right now I don't have to deal with that shit due to commuting by bus and my car is broken. I do have minimal insurance for the car in case a tree would fall on it or something, but I have unregistered it for traffic due to
to fix it.
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Mandatory car insurance is good!
we have that here. Liability coverage at minimum (covers the people you hit, but not you)
but if someone doesn't pay for it, and crashes...... yeah.....
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@Vixen Unpaid insurance would automatically ban the vehicle from being used here, so crashing with an uninsured car would add another crime to the mix. And I am pretty sure you get forced to pay the entire amount for the damage caused out of your own pocket if you don't got an insurance.
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@Atazhaia You can't pluck a bald chicken.
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@PleegWat I think in that case the government will pay the victim so they wont suffer any economic damages and then force the "bald chicken" to pay back the money to the government, which includes draining any savings accounts and then starting to sell anything not deemed necessary for living, as well as taking any income above minimum necessary for living until the debt has all been repaid.
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Vixen Unpaid insurance would automatically ban the vehicle from being used here, so crashing with an uninsured car would add another crime to the mix. And I am pretty sure you get forced to pay the entire amount for the damage caused out of your own pocket if you don't got an insurance.
If the car is uninsured, either by lapsed payments or whatever, TFF (https://www.tff.se/) covers everything, and then they will go after the registered owner of the car. So, the innocent bystander will mostly get their monies. Insurance companies being dicks can still cause some headaches, but that's how it's supposed to work.
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Vixen Unpaid insurance would automatically ban the vehicle from being used here, so crashing with an uninsured car would add another crime to the mix. And I am pretty sure you get forced to pay the entire amount for the damage caused out of your own pocket if you don't got an insurance.
this is true, but the cars don't check the driver's insurance status on key start.
@PleegWat said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Atazhaia You can't pluck a bald chicken.
also this. I could afford the insurance payout for a crash..... probably..... but someone who is making minimum wage, does not know if they'll have enough money for rent and food, let alone "luxuries" such as auto insurance...... Yeah they're not going to be able to pay a 50$ fine for a while, let alone thousands of dollars for an insurance payout.
If you think this shouldn't be the case..... I agree with you. This is why we should eat the rich. They have way more money than they need, and enact policies, and institutions designed to take as much money as possible from people who aren't rich, for no other reason than that they want more money.
want
not need.
WANT
So, we should eat them, that way they actually do some good to the people.
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@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
If you think this shouldn't be the case..... I agree with you. This is why we should eat the rich. They have way more money than they need, and enact policies, and institutions designed to take as much money as possible from people who aren't rich, for no other reason than that they want more money.
want
not need.
WANT
So, we should eat them, that way they actually do some good to the people.You'd make my mother and grandpa proud! My mother is a die-hard socialist, and my grandpa was a die-hard communist.
Also makes conversing with my mother fun at times, as I am working at a tax-funded private company. Those are not popular amongst socialists. :P
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
You'd make my mother and grandpa proud!
If my actions would do that, and your Mother (and Grandpa too, if he's a hunter and/or has a gun for self protection) promises not to shoot me for my pelt and/or my meat..... Then I would very much be interested in meeting them.
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@Vixen Coming from the (formerly) reddest part of Sweden, communism and socialism were very strong when my grandpa was young. He worked as a sailor and dockworker. So, yeah, it did rub off quite strongly onto his kids. Not quite so strong with me, though. I try to find a balance. Also, my grandpa has been dead since 1988, so meeting him could be difficult.
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@Atazhaia said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Also, my grandpa has been dead since 1988, so meeting him could be difficult.
Much delayed sympathy for that....
Still, that's not so long that a skilled necromancer could not find him to meet him, assuming of course that he has not yet passed the Ninth Gate. The Abhorsen would be the best, but since they're really all about laying the dead to rest I doubt they would be willing to help unless it was of some critical importance to the kingdom. If he is beyond the reach of necromancy you might also look to the Remembrancer, Lirael, She would be able to look back in time to see him.... but since the Remembrancer's art is passive observation only communication would be impossible.....
maybe it would be best to hide your mother's ammunition and visit her instead?
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@Zerosquare said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Carnage said in Commuting WTF Thread:
Cheapo chinesium tires
I thought chinesium was a metal. You mean it can be a rubber-like compound too? Chinese engineering is truly marvelous!
Well, chinesium is like the reverse of unobtanium.
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Not really commuting, but since I'm here... Concrete barriers: 2, Cars: 0
This past weekend at the dog show I was at, we had two separate incidents where a person drove into a concrete barrier. First one smashed their radiator in (we went out with shovels because dogs and antifreeze is a very bad combination). The other, I heard, smashed in the entire front end. How can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
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@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
we went out with shovels because dogs and antifreeze is a very bad combination
I mean, yeah, those were some ugly goddamn dogs, but isn't shovels is a bit too harsh?
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@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
How can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
buzzer sound
"By looking at your phone instead?"
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@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
ow can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
easy!
"american" sized pickup trucks what get less than 40 l/100km have a grill that's over a meter high! that concrete can totally hide under the sightlines of that!
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@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
ow can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
easy!
"american" sized pickup trucks what get less than 40 l/100km have a grill that's over a meter high! that concrete can totally hide under the sightlines of that!
But that's only when the barrier is right under their nose, so to speak. The real question is why they didn't see it as they approached it.
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@djls45 said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
ow can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
easy!
"american" sized pickup trucks what get less than 40 l/100km have a grill that's over a meter high! that concrete can totally hide under the sightlines of that!
But that's only when the barrier is right under their nose, so to speak. The real question is why they didn't see it as they approached it.
Because twatter, farceberk or some other app demanded their attention?
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@djls45 said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@Vixen said in Commuting WTF Thread:
@dcon said in Commuting WTF Thread:
ow can you not see a 2 foot tall barrier in FRONT OF YOUR CAR?!?!
easy!
"american" sized pickup trucks what get less than 40 l/100km have a grill that's over a meter high! that concrete can totally hide under the sightlines of that!
But that's only when the barrier is right under their nose, so to speak. The real question is why they didn't see it as they approached it.
....... I don't know about you but have you seen how unobservant and rude American drivers are?
they couldn't see the broad side of a barn as they approached it at freeway speeds.
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@PleegWat said in Commuting WTF Thread:
A barn (symbol: b) is a unit of area equal to 10−28 m2 (or 100 fm2)
not one of those.
one of these:
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Detgrim on Twitter
Barn (unit) - Wikipedia
