A critical reflection on GDPR
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Finally, a realistic use case for HTTP response code 451:
Source: @dabitch
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@dcoder is the broken image intentional?
Edit: guessing from the fix, it wasn't.
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@gąska No, but it was a link to a Twitter image rather than a local upload. I changed it to a tdwtf upload now…
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@dcoder No embarrassing porn tabs? Do
youes she even know how to take a screenshot?
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@dcoder said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Finally, a realistic use case for HTTP response code 451:
Source: @dabitch
No, usinv a HTTP-level block means the web server is almost certainly still logging the request which is illegal. Use an IP-level block instead, as close to the internet as you can manage.
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I think this was asked before here, but either it's in another thread or it's in another forum I frequent: If a European uses a proxy to bypass an EU restriction on a non-GDPR site, is that site liable for whatever data storage/leakage/sharing they might be conducting?
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@the_quiet_one That'll probably be one for a judge.
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Oh look there are roving bands of Euro-jerks just looking to sue every US company they can find as fast as they can. Fuck the EU.
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@blakeyrat you're saying that like there weren't whole business sectors in USA dedicated only to filing lawsuits for everything.
A friend of my mom's former boss (all of them in USA) had to close down his shop because he's been sending a fax newsletter to old clients for the last 30 years, but didn't update the form when a new law came that required including information how to unsubscribe. Some random lawyer has found out about it and prepared a class action lawsuit for like $100,000.
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@gąska yes, and they're scum too. Giving them more fuel is not what I'd call a victory.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat you're saying that like there weren't whole business sectors in USA dedicated only to filing lawsuits for everything.
... does Europe have the saying "two wrongs doesn't make a right"? Or as people have been rebranding this lately, "what about -ism".
Yes, the US has scummy companies. That has nothing to do with my complaint. It's just a "what about -ism". It's possible to hate both things and say both things are wrong. But that's not what this topic is about-- it says "GDPR" right there at the top of the screen.
And also: just because I don't add "oh and BTW I think Hitler was evil" to every single post doesn't mean I like Hitler. Got it? Good.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Or as people have been rebranding this lately, "what about -ism".
That's the term that was used to describe USSR propaganda. I wonder why it's coming back into use lately...
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@blakeyrat unnecessarily specifying nationality, ethnicity or other personal characteristic when complaining about behavior of a larger group is an asshole move. If I almost had a car accident because of a gay in BMW not using turn signals, and I said "fucking gays in BMWs, never using turn signals", it would make me an asshole toward gays even though it's true that all gays in BMWs never use turn signals.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat unnecessarily specifying nationality, ethnicity or other personal characteristic when complaining about behavior of a larger group is an asshole move. If I almost had a car accident because of a gay in BMW not using turn signals, and I said "fucking gays in BMWs, never using turn signals", it would make me an asshole toward gays even though it's true that all gays in BMWs never use turn signals.
Would it make you an asshole if there were multiple cars made by BMW full of homosexual orgies ahead of you and they weren't using turn signals?
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@ben_lubar no, because in that situation, "fucking gays" is just stating a fact.
Yay for ambiguous language!
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There's already a page up of stupid GDPR tactics: GDPR Hall of Shame
P.S. Hey maybe next Friday the site can do an Error'd of aggregated GDPR WTFs?
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
though it's true that all gays in BMWs never use turn signals.
Well, yeah. Since BMWs don't really have turn signals (by observation), then technically, you're not wrong.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat unnecessarily specifying nationality, ethnicity or other personal characteristic when complaining about behavior of a larger group is an asshole move.
Except in this case, the GDPR exists because Europeans elected representatives who created it. So...
Typing "euro-jerks" is just nationalist trolling of the sort I always do. Only a fucking anchovy-sucking Norwegian would be too stupid to realize that.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Typing "euro-jerks" is just nationalist trolling of the sort I always do.
So are my anecdotes about Americans being just as big scums.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
So are my anecdotes about Americans being just as big scums.
In a country of 300+ million, there's going to be a lot of "big scums". We even have one in the Presidency right now.
The difference is ours don't pass laws that annoy everybody else in the entire world, and ours don't extort American companies into paying fines for providing services apparently European companies are too fucking incompetent to provide to their own citizens.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
So are my anecdotes about Americans being just as big scums.
In a country of 300+ million, there's going to be a lot of "big scums". We even have one in the Presidency right now.
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
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Source: reddit
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The amount of "Updates to our privacy policy" emails are getting skyhigh. :/
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
Yeah but zero of those half-billion are competent enough to make a Euro-Google. Probably too busy bowing to kings or making really complicated fruit-and-cheese plates or something.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
That's not true. Some are scum prime ministers
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The difference is ours don't pass laws that annoy everybody else in the entire world, and ours don't extort American companies into paying fines for providing services apparently European companies are too fucking incompetent to provide to their own citizens.
I know this isn't a nationalist trolling thread, but I think we all know America isn't exactly averse to meddling with other countries...
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
Yeah but zero of those half-billion are competent enough to make a Euro-Google. Probably too busy bowing to kings or making really complicated fruit-and-cheese plates or something.
Or maybe we just don't waste resources reinventing the wheel.
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
That's not true. Some are scum prime ministers
We have 25 scum presidents and 28 scum prime ministers.
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As if they haven't done enough harm already...
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@stillwater said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The amount of "Updates to our privacy policy" emails are getting skyhigh. :/
Someone should go after the EU for causing all this spam.
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@pleegwat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@dcoder said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Finally, a realistic use case for HTTP response code 451:
Source: @dabitch
No, usinv a HTTP-level block means the web server is almost certainly still logging the request which is illegal. Use an IP-level block instead, as close to the internet as you can manage.
May I offer A Modest Proposal For preventing the
Children of Poor PeopleEuropean Union From being a Burthen toTheir Parents or Countrythe Rest of the World, and For making themBeneficialMostly Harmless to the Publick.It would require the cooperation of a relatively small number of (rather spiteful, but the copyright "reform" that the EU is currently proposing might be enough to push them into it) important people, rather than every webserver admin. Simply have the root and TLD name servers refuse to answer any queries originating in the EU. The Europeans could carry on among themselves with their silly rules, and the rest of the world could ignore them because the Europeans wouldn't even know the rest of the internet exists. The rest of the internet would be able to see into the European sandbox (unless they decided to play tit-for-tat), but they wouldn't be able to see out.
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@hardwaregeek and then we could implement proper non-ASCII support everywhere since everybody would care! Win-win!
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Well, it's not their fault. The literal shit ton of GDPR emails I've received in the last 3 days (because, as I've said before, it's not like this has been on the book for the past 2 years) fall squarely into two categories:
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Shit where I've never opted in to their spam. They ask me to consent again (no) or just inform me of future spam, but helpfully provide an unsubscribe link (that's not how it legally works you idiots). Unsubscribed.
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Shit where I've actively subscribed to their news letter. You don't have to ask me for consent because I already have it.
Both cases the emails are doing it wrong.
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@masonwheeler That's not really related to the GDPR, though. Yeah, sounds pretty bad, but talking about "what about-ism" as it was called, the US "make public domain no longer public domain" copyright reform proposal is bad too.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
That's not really related to the GDPR, though.
Not related, no, just comparing its effects and saying it's even worse.
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Ghostery sends a GDPR email and CCs 500 of their customers on it:
Source: @andrewrstine
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Meanwhile, USAToday makes their GDPR-friendly version much better than the US version:
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@dcoder I hoped something like this would happen. I wonder if anyone else will do that. If enough large sites went this way, eventually everyone would demand this fast, tracking-less experience. I doubt it will actually happen, though.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Both cases the emails are doing it wrong.
Pretty much this
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@coldandtired quoted in A critical reflection on GDPR:
“They [Google] thought they could bully everyone into using their own [GDPR] system, and the industry has turned around and kneed them in the balls."
So the GDPR is good for something, at least.
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@dcoder @Gąska Now Washington Post is offering that option too:
Source: @GusHosein
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@dcoder I know what site I'll never use.
I mean, I didn't use it anyway, but now I have even more reason.
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
A nuclear explosion is a bit more disruptive to commerce than Facebook regulations.
You got this backward. Nothing is as profitable as cleaning up and rebuilding after a proper war.
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@laoc to the people who weren't destroyed by the war.
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This afternoon I booked a table (by phone) in a restaurant in Warsaw, needing to give my name and phone number.
The guy had to read me a GDPR warning for about two minutes and I had to accept the terms.
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@heterodox said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
. I just stopped putting anything on the back of my cards years ago.
Hmmm, checking records..... My signature (which, at the time constituted a loose-hand style cursive of almost-my-name) was on my first and second debit card. So technically every single card since then is invalid for use...
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@remi said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU has over half a billion citizens and 25 scum presidents.
That's not true. Some are scum prime ministers
We even have a few scum ex-prime ministers. Any offers for Blair, Brown or Cameron? One's going cheap I think due to being slightly soiled, another probably isn't Halal.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Well, it's not their fault.
It's their fault that they wrote a law that no one can figure out and that is scaring the bejeezus out of everyone. That's 100% on them.