In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine
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@mott555 said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
FX-8350 is pretty old.
All I really need is a CPU that can run
g++
andwine cl.exe
really fast. The only other things I use australium for are nginx hosting a tiny amount of local data and a few reverse proxy subdomains and testing Linux stuff like new forum updates and stuff for work.It's also nice to have a machine running an SSH server to allow me remote access to my home network, but no CPU in the world will make that faster or slower.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I've had bad experiences with external hard drives in general, so I don't know whether Seagate was the problem in that situation, but:
The WD external hard drives are the Green ones
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@TimeBandit said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I've only had bad experience with Seagate.
I've had bad experiences with external hard drives in general, so I don't know whether Seagate was the problem in that situation, but:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price CPU AMD - FX-8350 4GHz 8-Core Processor $92.95 @ Amazon Motherboard Asus - M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard $59.99 @ Amazon Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $273.86 @ Amazon Storage Inland - 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $42.99 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital - Blue 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $91.99 @ Amazon Case Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $21.99 @ Amazon Power Supply EVGA - 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply $39.99 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $623.76 Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 10:18 EDT-0400 The FX-8350 is not a great processor, the FX platform is well and truly dead now that Ryzen's here.
A Ryzen 7 1700 is a good x-ref for that i7-7800k:
Edit: 'd by @mott555
An FX would be very cost effective but I'd strongly suggest a Ryzen instead, the Ryzen 5 1600 has an excellent price/performance point:
Paired with:
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor $149.99 @ Amazon Motherboard Gigabyte - GA-A320M-S2H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $50.01 @ Amazon Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2133 Memory $289.99 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $62.99 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital - Blue 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $91.99 @ Amazon Case Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Amazon Power Supply Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $69.00 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $763.96 Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 10:43 EDT-0400
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@ben_lubar I think that's a big improvement over the first list you posted.
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@ben_lubar Looks good, if you can splurge 16 bux more for the LPX 2400 then I definitely would. Ryzen seriously benefits from faster memory due to the architecture.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor $149.99 @ Amazon Motherboard Gigabyte - GA-A320M-S2H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $50.01 @ Amazon Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $309.99 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $62.99 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital - Blue 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $91.99 @ Amazon Case Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Amazon Power Supply Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $69.00 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $783.96 Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-08 10:56 EDT-0400
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
CPU
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
That CPU is a boxed one from Intel, doesn't it come with a cooler?
That was my first thought too @blakeyrat. According to the QA section on Amazon, it does, as you'd expect.
@ben_lubar, save yourself $30 and don't bother ordering a separate cooler, the ones that Intel include with their CPUs are great.
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Oh fucksticks, I didn't see how old the post was when I hit reply.
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@DoctorJones said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
CPU
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
That CPU is a boxed one from Intel, doesn't it come with a cooler?
That was my first thought too @blakeyrat. According to the QA section on Amazon, it does, as you'd expect.
@ben_lubar, save yourself $30 and don't bother ordering a separate cooler, the ones that Intel include with their CPUs are great.
I guess PCPartPicker was very wrong about that warning it gave me, then.
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@ben_lubar will it have a dwarf name?
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@sockpuppet7 And will it be assembled by a robot programmed with Go?
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Hey Amazon, what exactly do you think "Peripheral" means? You showed me this message for every item except the SSD and the hard drive.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
Total
$783.96[president of the united states voice] wrong.
Although I guess it's still lower than my original Intel CPU total, which as far as I can tell didn't include tax because I didn't tell PCPartPicker where I live.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I guess PCPartPicker was very wrong about that warning it gave me, then.
My advice would be to order the CPU, and if it doesn't come with a cooler, order a cooler. You're clearly not in a hurry, and it won't be a big deal to wait one extra day for a cooler to arrive.
I suppose I'm a cheap bastard though ;-)
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@DoctorJones All consumer-grade Intel CPU's come with a cooler, except for whatever passes for Extreme Edition these days.
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@mott555 that's what I thought, but that i7 Ben linked to upthread apparently doesn't, yet the i5 does
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I guess PCPartPicker was very wrong about that warning it gave me, then.
I think Intel is very confused about which of their boxed CPUs have coolers and which don't. I don't blame anybody else for getting this wrong.
But it's all moot since you moved to AMD anyway.
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@mott555 said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@DoctorJones All consumer-grade Intel CPU's come with a cooler, except for whatever passes for Extreme Edition these days.
Same with retail boxed Ryzen too. I don't think I've actually seen OEM-packaged Ryzen cpus for sale yet, maybe it isn't a thing like it is for Intel.
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Wait, where the hell is it pulling the $23.12 shipping cost from?
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@ben_lubar Probably one of the parts is coming from an "independent seller" who uses Amazon for distribution (I can't remember the name of that program). Those sellers are part of Prime, which means any shipping cost they incur Prime refunds if you're a Prime member.
The short version is: as long as it has the "Prime" logo on the product page, don't worry about shipping. Whether the shipping shows up as $0.00 or an amount that instantly gets refunded, that's implementation-detail as far as the customer is concerned.
Also Ben since you have Prime, you should fucking totally put on Deathstalker II right fucking now. It'll blow your mind.
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@ben_lubar Maybe it's like virtual particles in the quantum vacuum. Weird shipping prices spontaneously show up from nowhere but are cancelled out by spontaneous anti-shipping prices of equal but opposite magnitude and so they have no effect on reality. Or something.
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@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar Probably one of the parts is coming from an "independent seller" who uses Amazon for distribution (I can't remember the name of that program). Those sellers are part of Prime, which means any shipping cost they incur Prime refunds if you're a Prime member.
But I'm not on Prime and the two non-zero shipping costs they give me as choices each contain exactly one of the four digits in that number, and not in the same position.
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Status: Wondering what would happen if @Lorne-Kates went directly to this page:
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
But I'm not on Prime
Then how the fuck are you gonna watch Deathstalker II.
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Hey guys, I was wondering
are donations matched
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I've had bad experiences with external hard drives in general
Almost all external hard drives are crap. They run hot due to a poorly designed case, which shortens the life of the already shitty drive inside.
A few years ago I bought an external dock:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817392099
Now I can plug in any hard drives I want and replacing a drive, or upgrading to a bigger one, just means pull out the old one and stick in a new one.
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Hmm, other than ~, /etc, /usr/share/nginx, /root, and /var/lib/letsencrypt, is there anywhere else I might be storing data that I want on the new machine and can't download from somewhere else?
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar Probably one of the parts is coming from an "independent seller" who uses Amazon for distribution (I can't remember the name of that program). Those sellers are part of Prime, which means any shipping cost they incur Prime refunds if you're a Prime member.
But I'm not on Prime and the two non-zero shipping costs they give me as choices each contain exactly one of the four digits in that number, and not in the same position.
I could imagine it being the actual cost of 5-8 day shipping, which you're not paying but may still need to be communicated to you for tax reasons.
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@PleegWat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar Probably one of the parts is coming from an "independent seller" who uses Amazon for distribution (I can't remember the name of that program). Those sellers are part of Prime, which means any shipping cost they incur Prime refunds if you're a Prime member.
But I'm not on Prime and the two non-zero shipping costs they give me as choices each contain exactly one of the four digits in that number, and not in the same position.
I could imagine it being the actual cost of 5-8 day shipping, which you're not paying but may still need to be communicated to you for tax reasons.
That would make sense if it was a lower number than 4-5 day shipping, which doesn't show any discount in the shipping&handling subtotal.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
Hmm, other than ~, /etc, /usr/share/nginx, /root, and /var/lib/letsencrypt, is there anywhere else I might be storing data that I want on the new machine and can't download from somewhere else?
/ . Also, /var /dev /opt /usr /tmp /proc ...
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@blakeyrat arrr matey! In glorious 1080p!
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19:42 < BenLubar> australium is 192.168.1.79 because Australium is the 79th element in TF2's universe 19:42 < BenLubar> what number can I put at the end for Urist? 19:52 <+burneddi> 7 19:52 < BenLubar> why 7? 19:52 <+burneddi> he's the 7th dwarf 19:53 < BenLubar> ah
Also, I made a custom Ubuntu 18.04.1 Server ISO that boots to this screen:
The changes to the install disk required to get that are just replacing the first line of
isolinux/txt.cfg
with this:default urist timeout 1 label urist menu label ^It was inevitable. kernel /install/vmlinuz append auto=true anna/choose_modules=network-console domain=lubar.me hostname=urist network-console/authorized_keys_url=http://australium.lubar.me/dump/urist_install_key.txt vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz quiet ---
(
australium.lubar.me
is the same asben.lubar.me
except that that specific URL doesn't redirect to HTTPS and it's pinned to a local IP instead of being served through Cloudflare, just in case you want my public key for some reason.)The plan is to borrow a USB stick from my dad, image it, put the ISO on it, build the computer, boot the computer with the USB stick plugged in, wait for it to show up on my router, assign it the 192.168.1.7 address, and then hard-reboot the machine and wait for it to start running an SSH server.
Hopefully, that means I won't need to plug in a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse, or basically anything other than power, ethernet, and the USB stick.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
The plan is to borrow a USB stick from my dad, image it, put the ISO on it
Slight change to the plan: the USB stick is 128GB, so I'm imaging the first gibibyte of the stick and copying the (less than 1GB) ISO onto it instead of imaging the entire stick.
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@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
- I've never heard of "Inland" brand flash memory.
For future reference: Inland is MicroCenter's house brand, much like Rosewill is NewEgg's.
I haven't bought an Inland SSD, but my guess is that they're cheap but serviceable and probably not the best choice for anything critical. (That fits my experiences with MicroCenter's cheap USB flash drives and SD cards.)
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@Parody said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
- I've never heard of "Inland" brand flash memory.
For future reference: Inland is MicroCenter's house brand, much like Rosewill is NewEgg's.
I haven't bought an Inland SSD, but my guess is that they're cheap but serviceable and probably not the best choice for anything critical. (That fits my experiences with MicroCenter's cheap USB flash drives and SD cards.)
Inland SSDs are pretty reliable IME. It's the flash drives we get from Wao Chei Semiconductors. That's why we keep switching designs on them.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
gibibyte
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
Hopefully, that means I won't need to plug in a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse
You might need to change the BIOS settings from default.
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@Cursorkeys said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
No SATA cables listed, the drives won't come with them.
Aw crap, I forgot about this. Ordered two of the cables that I bought when I got my 1TB SSD and the same mounting bracket from then.
The shipping cost is almost the same as the subtotal, but whatever.
Am I missing anything else? I have spare keyboards and I can borrow one of my dad's monitors if I need one because his computer is next to where this one is going. Do I need a network card, or is ethernet built into the mobo?
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@Cursorkeys said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
No SATA cables listed, the drives won't come with them.
Aw crap, I forgot about this. Ordered two of the cables that I bought when I got my 1TB SSD and the same mounting bracket from then.
The shipping cost is almost the same as the subtotal, but whatever.
Am I missing anything else? I have spare keyboards and I can borrow one of my dad's monitors if I need one because his computer is next to where this one is going. Do I need a network card, or is ethernet built into the mobo?
The spec says it has GigE on board. I only buy dedicated NICs for servers these days to take advantage of checksum offload or because I need 10GigE or FC.
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@Cursorkeys said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
10GigE
Unlikely to ever be relevant, given that SATA is 6 Gbps, the SSD is between 0.5 and 0.6 Gbps, and MilwaukeePC is close to 0 Gbps.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
Am I missing anything else?
Just gonna post my entire order here so people don't have to piece it together from multiple posts:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XNRQHG4/https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B016498CK0/
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@ben_lubar You probably didn't need that SSD mounting bracket, sorry, modern cases will all have screw-holes for 2.5" SSDs and even if they don't, SSDs don't vibrate so you could use basically anything to hold them in place.
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@blakeyrat said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
@ben_lubar You probably didn't need that SSD mounting bracket, sorry, modern cases will all have screw-holes for 2.5" SSDs and even if they don't, SSDs don't vibrate so you could use basically anything to hold them in place.
I don't see anything about 2.5" slots in the case description,and the mobo specs don't mention cables at all.
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I'll admit, I've duct-taped SSDs to weird places inside cases before rather than spend the extra money on a mounting bracket and properly attaching them.
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@ben_lubar said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I don't see anything about 2.5" slots in the case description
For an SSD, you can just hold it with 1 screw in any hard-drive slot
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@mott555 said in In which Ben Lubar builds a new headless Linux machine:
I'll admit, I've duct-taped SSDs to weird places inside cases before rather than spend the extra money on a mounting bracket and properly attaching them.
If you're building computers or basically doing anything useful in any way you should have a big-ass bag of zip-ties of various lengths and a less big-ass bag of velcro ties.
This is definitely a zip-tie problem.
But that doesn't matter because the product page for the case specifically shows it has a SSD installed, and the Q&A has a question about it and like 3 people said "yes it has screw holes for a 2.5" SSD" so it's all moot.
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The Amazon page even says
SSD Support: All four hard drive trays provide solid-state drive support
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This machine isn't built yet? I've seen banks procure hardware faster