Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE
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Status: Decided to be an idiot again and install Bionic a month early like I did with Xenial.
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@ben_lubar 1.3GB? In 11 minutes? Over MilwaukeePC?
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Decided to be an idiot again and install Bionic a month early like I did with Xenial.
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD 1.3GB IN 11 MINUTES?!?!
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@pie_flavor said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar 1.3GB? In 11 minutes? Over MilwaukeePC?
@tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD 1.3GB IN 11 MINUTES?!?!
It appears to be estimating 18 Mbps down, but I only get 15 Mbps down if I'm lucky.
Anyway, I'm gonna sleep now, so it doesn't matter at all.
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Decided to be an idiot again and install Bionic a month early like I did with Xenial.
Also, weird thing about the updater: it didn't ask me for any passwords or require me to pre-elevate, so presumably anyone with access to an Ubuntu machine can do this.
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Decided to be an idiot again and install Bionic a month early like I did with Xenial.
Also, weird thing about the updater: it didn't ask me for any passwords or require me to pre-elevate, so presumably anyone with access to an Ubuntu machine can do this.
Did you log in as a privileged account?
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@tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Decided to be an idiot again and install Bionic a month early like I did with Xenial.
Also, weird thing about the updater: it didn't ask me for any passwords or require me to pre-elevate, so presumably anyone with access to an Ubuntu machine can do this.
Did you log in as a privileged account?
Assuming you mean
root, no. I did log into an account that can usesudo, but it's set up to require a password.
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@ben_lubar are you sure it didn't remember your password from the previous time you used
sudo?
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@gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar are you sure it didn't remember your password from the previous time you used
sudo?It didn't, and it failed immediately after it finished downloading archives and seems to have put itself into an inconsistent state where the upgrade is locked by nothing and the package lists haven't been reset to the backed-up version.
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@ben_lubar that's also my usual experience with Ubuntu.
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Ok, so I did a few things:
- Manually fixed the apt lists to reference xenial packages instead of bionic packages.
- Installed certbot from the PPA to replace python-letsencrypt.
- Deleted a bunch of debug symbol packages, including a bunch of 32-bit ones I'm not sure why I installed.
- Deleted 4 of the 5 packages it said were no longer supported by canonical (one of them was python-newt, which I don't remember installing, and the others were graphviz, protobuf-compiler, and subversion. I'm keeping libxml-perl just because it was required for DFHack builds on Xenial.)
- Re-ran
do-release-upgrade -d.
Here's a screenshot I tried to take while the log was moving pretty fast:
I'm not sure what Ubuntu thinks 6s means but it's definitely not 6 seconds.
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If I recall correctly, after updating the apt lists it's just
apt-get update,apt-get dist-upgrade,apt-get autoremove. If it's inconsistent it'll tell you the exact invocation ofdpkg reconfigureneeded to fix things up.I needed a variant of it a couple weeks ago because I unknowingly shut down the machine while a security update was still running.
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@ben_lubar said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I'm not sure what Ubuntu thinks 6s means but it's definitely not 6 seconds.
It probably just fetched the file from your hard-drive since you downloaded them on your first attempt.
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@ben_lubar Isn't the whole point of Ubuntu that it's supposed to be the Linux that isn't a wide-awake nightmare for human beings to actually use? What is this shit.
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@blakeyrat said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
What is this shit.
Still better than Windows Update
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@ben_lubar are you sure it didn't remember your password from the previous time you used
sudo?
That isn't how sudoworks. It never remembers your password, it only remembers for a short time (I think the default is 15 minutes) that the particular process has already authenticated for root permission.
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@timebandit said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@ben_lubar said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I'm not sure what Ubuntu thinks 6s means but it's definitely not 6 seconds.
It probably just fetched the file from your hard-drive since you downloaded them on your first attempt.
No, I cleared out all the caches before I tried again. It definitely spent more than 6 seconds downloading.
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@blakeyrat Ubuntu is still terrible, but at least I get free stuff easier, and don't need to run an anti-virus
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@sockpuppet7 said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@blakeyrat Ubuntu is still terrible, but at least I get free stuff easier, and don't need to run an anti-virus
You don't need an anti-virus on any OS if you're competent enough to be able to install an OS by yourself.
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@ben_lubar said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
You don't need an anti-virus on any OS if you're competent enough to be able to install an OS by yourself.
I'm competent enough to install WinXP, does that mean I don't need to install an AV on it ?
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Ok, finished the upgrade this morning. It had some questions about configuration files.
- Rebooted into new version of Ubuntu. Computer never came back up.
- Went downstairs and hit the power button.
- Realized I told the installer to replace sshd's configuration file with a fresh one, which removed my extra SSH port assignment.
- Logged in on the default SSH port.
- Re-added the extra SSH port assignment.
- Cleaned up various third-party package repositories.
- Computer became unresponsive a few minutes after
apt dist-upgradefinished. - Went into other room to reset computer again.
- Started holding the power button and the computer immediately woke up. (I think it was in sleep mode somehow.)
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@sockpuppet7 I dunno; I just downloaded Inkscape to my Windows 10 box to open an Illustrator file, and it was pretty damned easy.
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@timebandit said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@ben_lubar said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
You don't need an anti-virus on any OS if you're competent enough to be able to install an OS by yourself.
I'm competent enough to install WinXP, does that mean I don't need to install an AV on it ?
Not as long as you don't connect it to the internet
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@blakeyrat said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@sockpuppet7 I dunno; I just downloaded Inkscape to my Windows 10 box to open an Illustrator file, and it was pretty damned easy.
Easier than clicking app store icon, typing in "inkscape" and hitting "install"?
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@blakeyrat said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@sockpuppet7 I dunno; I just downloaded Inkscape to my Windows 10 box to open an Illustrator file, and it was pretty damned easy.
Easier than clicking app store icon, typing in "inkscape" and hitting "install"?
TIL. I didn't know there was a store version.
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
Easier than clicking app store icon, typing in "inkscape" and hitting "install"?
That exact thing works in Windows 10. (EDIT: oh wait, I'm wrong, the button is named "Get", not "Install".)
You can even skip the app store button and hit the Windows key, type Inkscape, then hit Enter.
But, you know, nice try trying to make me look like an idiot or whatever.
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@blakeyrat oh right, forgot about that. I'm still mentally stuck in W7.
But I wouldn't be myself if I didn't take every occasion to shit on Microsoft: I just tried exactly that, and successfully installed Inkscape. But it took insane amount of time for what should be instantaneous (not counting download, installation time on Windows is 2 minutes, while on Ubuntu it's 2 seconds).
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
But I wouldn't be myself if I didn't take every occasion to shit on Microsoft: I just tried exactly that, and successfully installed Inkscape. But it took insane amount of time for what should be instantaneous (not counting download, installation time on Windows is 2 minutes, while on Ubuntu it's 2 seconds).
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@blakeyrat 5 minutes after I thought that Windows 10 might have done something right for a change, I've found not one, but TWO awful bugs:
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The app page in Windows Store has no "uninstall" button. It has the fairly sensible "Launch" button and the absolutely useless "Pin to Start" button, but no "uninstall".
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It doesn't show up when searching in start menu. It's there when I scroll down to "I", but when I type in "ink", there's nothing. Even Ubuntu, the most broken of Linuxes, does this thing right!
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@ben_lubar Don't do it! I did that with Trusty and it sucked.
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Ok, turns out that the upgrade turned on power saving settings. On a server.
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@blakeyrat 5 minutes after I thought that Windows 10 might have done something right for a change, I've found not one, but TWO awful bugs:
- The app page in Windows Store has no "uninstall" button. It has the fairly sensible "Launch" button and the absolutely useless "Pin to Start" button, but no "uninstall".
Why are you going all the way to Windows Store to uninstall the app? Just right click it in the Start menu, click Uninstall, and confirm it.
- It doesn't show up when searching in start menu. It's there when I scroll down to "I", but when I type in "ink", there's nothing. Even Ubuntu, the most broken of Linuxes, does this thing right!
E_NO_REPRO
https://i.imgur.com/pEJmMY7.pngUnless you mean when you don't have it installed, in which case Inkscape is the most popular Bing result for 'ink', which it'll tell you about and give you an icon for, but the Ink app is the only store result it gives you because the name matches exactly.
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@blakeyrat said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
Easier than clicking app store icon, typing in "inkscape" and hitting "install"?
That exact thing works in Windows 10.
And in both cases you're screwed if the store maintainers decide they don't want your favorite app because reasons (like "it's not free enough", "it competes with one of our products" or "it has adult content").
I'll keep my software in independently distributed packages, thank you very much.
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@anonymous234 said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I'll keep my software in independently distributed packages, thank you very much.
apt works fine with third-party repositories.
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
The app page in Windows Store has no "uninstall" button. It has the fairly sensible "Launch" button and the absolutely useless "Pin to Start" button, but no "uninstall".
That's on the app itself.
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
It doesn't show up when searching in start menu. It's there when I scroll down to "I", but when I type in "ink", there's nothing. Even Ubuntu, the most broken of Linuxes, does this thing right!
No repro. Womm.
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@pie_flavor said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@blakeyrat 5 minutes after I thought that Windows 10 might have done something right for a change, I've found not one, but TWO awful bugs:
- The app page in Windows Store has no "uninstall" button. It has the fairly sensible "Launch" button and the absolutely useless "Pin to Start" button, but no "uninstall".
Why are you going all the way to Windows Store to uninstall the app?
Because I've already had it open since I installed it 5 minutes earlier?
Just right click it in the Start menu, click Uninstall, and confirm it.
How do you think I found out it doesn't show in Start menu search?
- It doesn't show up when searching in start menu. It's there when I scroll down to "I", but when I type in "ink", there's nothing. Even Ubuntu, the most broken of Linuxes, does this thing right!
E_NO_REPRO
Must have been one-time issue. I tried it again today and it works immediately. Which makes the whole thing worse - how do you fuck up such a simple feature so bad that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't!?
@magus said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
The app page in Windows Store has no "uninstall" button. It has the fairly sensible "Launch" button and the absolutely useless "Pin to Start" button, but no "uninstall".
That's on the app itself.
I also tried with Microsoft's Microsoft Sudoku and Google's Google and all three are missing uninstall button in store window.
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I also tried with Microsoft's Microsoft Sudoku and Google's Google and all three are missing uninstall button in store window.
Try it on every app. That isn't where it is.
It's when you rick click the app itself, when it gives options to pin. Or in apps and features in Settings. The latter of which does other useful things too.
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@magus said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I also tried with Microsoft's Microsoft Sudoku and Google's Google and all three are missing uninstall button in store window.
Try it on every app. That isn't where it is.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!
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@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@magus said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
@gąska said in Ben Lubar installs Bionic Ubuntu from THE FUTURE:
I also tried with Microsoft's Microsoft Sudoku and Google's Google and all three are missing uninstall button in store window.
Try it on every app. That isn't where it is.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!
WITH YOU!!
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@gąska Why is that a problem? If you want to uninstall something, you likely don't already have the store open. Even with your 'installed 5 minutes ago' example, it should be at the top of the start menu under 'Recently added'.
