United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why
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@pjh said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there, and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane
Hmm....
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/03/15/united-issue-special-pet-carrier-tags-dogs-death/
CHICAGO (AP) — United Airlines has announced it will issue special bag tags for animal carriers and prosecutors have launched an investigation to determine if criminal charges are warranted following the death of a French bulldog puppy that was forced into an overhead bin on a United flight.
The Chicago-based airline said a flight attendant who ordered the passenger to put her pet carrier in the overhead bin aboard a Houston-to-New York flight Monday didn’t know there was a dog inside.
“To prevent this from happening again, by April we will issue bright colored bag tags to customers traveling with in-cabin pets,” United said in a statement.
The family that owned the dog and other passengers contradicted the airline’s account, saying the dog’s barks were audible from inside the bin.
Wait, did the flight attendant think that they brought a dog carrier onto a plane without the dog? Why would anyone do that?
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@pjh said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
didn’t know there was a dog inside
The "idk" defense. Smart. Smart choice.
Probably the only choice.
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I could imagine a stewardess rejecting a handbag as underseat luggage. At that point revealing a dog inside probably should have resulted in the dog being rejected on board. But I don't get the impression this was a handbag dog.
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there, and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane, else they can remove you from the flight. (So one would assume that everything the crew tells you is for your safety.) Why would she need to check up on it? The passenger is not the one to blame here.
Are you high? The passenger at no point believed that the dog should be put there, else she would not have protested so much. Eventually she gave in because, like you said, you have to obey the flight crew. The reason she did not check up on it is most likely because on United you are not allowed to open the overhead bins while the plane is flying.
Why is it that the only time you pipe up it is to say something retarded? At least with @sockpuppet7 there's about a 50/50 split.
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there
Did she? From what @PJH quoted above United claim that the flight attendant did not even know there was a dog. Then again, I said claim, they very well could be lying.
and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane, else they can remove you from the flight.
Yes, you have to obey instructions but surely the instructions were not to "put the dog in the overhead locker and don't open it until we land." There would be nothing stopping her from opening the locker to check on the puppy once the seatbelts sign has been switched off.
Why would she need to check up on it?
It's a puppy. I wouldn't want to leave mine locked away alone for 3.5 hours, even if I knew it was perfectly safe.
The passenger is not the one to blame here.
Playing the devil's advocate here, how do you know that?
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
on United you are not allowed to open the overhead bins while the plane is flying
Huh? Really?
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@pie_flavor hey, don't bring me into it
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@polygeekery Yup. Pissed me off to no end when the flight attendant insisted until I gave in that my backpack was too large to fit under the seat in front of me and I had to put it in the overhead bin, and then found that I was unable to retrieve my laptop from it in-flight.
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@polygeekery Yup. Pissed me off to no end when the flight attendant insisted until I gave in that my backpack was too large to fit under the seat in front of me and I had to put it in the overhead bin, and then found that I was unable to retrieve my laptop from it in-flight.
Interesting. No wonder I hate flying commercial. I don't recall running in to that restriction on other airlines though. I don't recall ever flying United.
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@polygeekery I'm sure you don't. I have never experienced it on other airlines either. Fuck United. IMO Virgin America is the only one worth the fare.
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
on United you are not allowed to open the overhead bins while the plane is flying
Huh? Really?
Exactly. If this is true then that alone is a case enough to never fly United.
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The reason she did not check up on it is most likely because on United you are not allowed to open the overhead bins while the plane is flying.
Eh...sure you can.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Eh...sure you can.
Easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission?
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@polygeekery Easier to tell them to shut the fuck up when you're paying. But they don't take any shit from teenagers.
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@polygeekery I think that particular stewardess had just taken a dislike to @pie_flavor for some reason. Or was having a bad day and taking it out on passengers or something. Or something has been lost on the way somewhere.
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@pie_flavor I don't either.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I think that particular stewardess had just taken a dislike to @pie_flavor for some reason.
Possibly. I am always syrupy sweet to flight attendants. If I ask for anything I always preface it with "When you have a moment" and end it with "no rush, I know you are busy." I find that tactic gets me anything I need very quickly because they would rather bring it to the guy being nice and respectful and polite than that asshole teenager who is causing a fuss because he can't get his laptop.
It also usually gets me free drinks.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Or was having a bad day and taking it out on passengers or something.
It was a difficult day. They had to call in security to KO 3 passengers, 10 guitars got smashed, and 2 puppies suffocated. And along comes @pie_flavor, demanding access to his personal property.
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@deadfast DiscourseAir never does this!
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I think that particular stewardess had just taken a dislike to @pie_flavor for some reason.
Possibly. I am always syrupy sweet to flight attendants. If I ask for anything I always preface it with "When you have a moment" and end it with "no rush, I know you are busy." I find that tactic gets me anything I need very quickly because they would rather bring it to the guy being nice and respectful and polite than that asshole teenager who is causing a fuss because he can't get his laptop.
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time. I absolutely was not. United attendants just don't give a shit what anyone says and will parrot the official policy until they're blue in the face. I think they get special training for it.
It also usually gets me free drinks.
Virgin America has those too.
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
It also usually gets me free drinks.
Virgin America has those too.
YMBNH. No, their alcoholic drinks are definitely not free, either (for non-first class).
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Fuck United.
I don't want to. I also don't want to go on their airplanes, despite not commonly carrying puppies or musical instruments with me. (Even Ryanair — shitbags extraordinaire — don't say that you can't access your carryon bags in flight.)
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast DiscourseAir never does this!
But it does use 4X as much fuel as their competitors and the cabins frequently overheat.
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Eh...sure you can.
Easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission?
Not on an airplane.
: Interfering with the flight crew, have fun in the Big House!
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast DiscourseAir never does this!
But it does use 4X as much fuel as their competitors and the cabins frequently overheat.
But the popcorn is fresh!
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@ben_lubar said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Wait, did the flight attendant think that they brought a dog carrier onto a plane without the dog? Why would anyone do that?
Some pet carriers these days look very much like sports bags.
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I heard a clip on radio of an interview with the pet owner's 11-year-old daughter, she said they repeatedly told the attendant that there was a puppy in there.
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
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@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
He still is.
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@sockpuppet7 said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor hey, don't bring me into it
Damn right. You're more like 90/10.
Oh, which is the 90 and which is the 10?
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@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
And? :glare:
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
And? :glare:
Teenagers are usually assholes. We know this because we used to be teenagers.
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
And? :glare:
Teenagers are usually assholes. We know this because we used to be teenagers.
:harder_glare:
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
And? :glare:
Teenagers are usually assholes. We know this because we used to be teenagers.
:harder_glare:
If your rage boner lasts more than four hours you should consult your doctor.
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I think that particular stewardess had just taken a dislike to @pie_flavor for some reason.
Possibly. I am always syrupy sweet to flight attendants. If I ask for anything I always preface it with "When you have a moment" and end it with "no rush, I know you are busy." I find that tactic gets me anything I need very quickly because they would rather bring it to the guy being nice and respectful and polite than that asshole teenager who is causing a fuss because he can't get his laptop.
It also usually gets me free drinks.
Lol...the times I was in the hospital during and after my pregnancy I was like that with nurses. Didn't get me free drinks .
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
You seem to be interpreting what I said to mean that I was being an asshole at the time.
Well the did say you were a teenager then.
And? :glare:
Teenagers are usually assholes. We know this because we used to be teenagers.
:harder_glare:
To be fair, some of us are still assholes.
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@polygeekery said
Horseshit. I wouldn't do it. I can tell you that much right now. If someone tells me to put an animal in a box for three hours with poor ventilation, I would just tell them no and find other transportation.
We have a saying... everybody's a general after the battle. Yes, from the comfort of arguing on TDWTF, you know exactly what you would have done. In real situations when under stress, people often react differently. I still don't see why it matters, though. I'm not the one playing devil's advocate here. The story was reported like this: flight attendant ordered passenger to put dog in overhead bin, passenger complied, dog died. Everybody agrees on whose fault it is except for a few people on this forum.
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Eventually she gave in because, like you said, you have to obey the flight crew.
Wait, so you just basically said the same thing I did, but I am retarded?
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Or something has been lost on the way somewhere.
Common sense?
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
He still is.
On the plus side, this is one of the things that time will fix for sure. (That is, being a teenager. The other thing - unfortunately not guaranteed.)
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Eventually she gave in because, like you said, you have to obey the flight crew.
Wait, so you just basically said the same thing I did, but I am retarded?
No, I didn't basically just say the same thing you said. You basically said that the flight attendant assured her it was okay, and she believed her. Nothing of the sort is true.
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@pie_flavor I was not on that plane, I don't know what exactly went down there, but I see two possibilities:
- The passenger put the dog into the overhead bin on her own, without the knowledge of the flight crew. This version seems to be unlikely.
- The passenger did what she was told by the flight attendant, because she trusted that the FA knows best what is the proper and safe way of transporting an animal on a plane. This is the more likely chain of events.
Are you saying that the passenger did not believe the FA but obeyed anyway? (How do you know?)
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@pjh said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Or something has been lost on the way somewhere.
Common sense?
I'm not willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt that it was ever there to be lost.
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@deadfast said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Or was having a bad day and taking it out on passengers or something.
It was a difficult day. They had to call in security to KO 3 passengers, 10 guitars got smashed, and 2 puppies suffocated. And along comes @pie_flavor, demanding access to his personal property.
You forgot all the frozen rare bunnies.
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor I was not on that plane, I don't know what exactly went down there, but I see two possibilities:
- The passenger put the dog into the overhead bin on her own, without the knowledge of the flight crew. This version seems to be unlikely.
- The passenger did what she was told by the flight attendant, because she trusted that the FA knows best what is the proper and safe way of transporting an animal on a plane. This is the more likely chain of events.
Are you saying that the passenger did not believe the FA but obeyed anyway? (How do you know?)
Yes, I am. Have you read literally any article about the event? Because you sound like you're just entering make-shit-up mode.
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@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
make-shit-up mode
at least it isn't make-up-shit mode
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@luhmann said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
make-shit-up mode
at least it isn't make-up-shit mode
Depends. If you're making up for a shit you couldn't / wouldn't take earlier, that's not so bad (who wants to shit on an airplane?). If you're crapping out lipstick then I think we may have some questions for you.
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@luhmann said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@pie_flavor said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
make-shit-up mode
at least it isn't make-up-shit mode
No bath salts were involved.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
If you're crapping out lipstick then I think we may have some questions for you.
like ... did you have for lunch
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
No bath salts were involved.
you are more of a bath pearl type