United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@karla safety > confort
That didn't seem to matter above.
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@karla Plus if we were actually kicked off, unless someone helped me with my bags, there was a good chance she would get injured in the process.
She eventually fell asleep during the flight.
Once we landed, I didn't even try to move with her until everyone else was out because I knew she would be so difficult.
She refused to be put on the ground. Luckily a flight attendant put my bags on a wheel chair and I was able to get going.
I couldn't get her into the car seat upon getting picked up either.
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@ben_lubar said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@dse said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
"Yeah, let's kick the 2-year-old off a plane. What could ever go wrong from kicking a 2-year-old off a plane?"
They didn't kick the 2-year-old off the plane. They just forced his mom to hold him.
Bad PR move, still, but it's not like they tried to separate the kid from his mother.
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@anotherusername No, but they probably violated about a gazillion FAA rules about unseated passengers
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@raceprouk yeah; I didn't realize until I looked it up, but apparently the FAA only allows lap children under 2 years. A child 2 years old or older isn't even allowed to ride on an adult's lap; they have to fly in their own -- separately purchased -- seat. So... oops.
Now, United says that they're going to compensate her "as a goodwill gesture"... uh, fuck that; she purchased that seat, and they sold it to someone else; they have to refund her. A passenger with a ticket was not permitted to fly in the seat that was purchased for them, due to overbooking... bumped passenger laws should apply.
Granted, they did get the kid to his destination in a timely manner... which would ordinarily mean they didn't have to compensate under bumped passenger laws... but, they did so in an way that was unsafe, and in fact illegal -- on his mom's lap. As far as I can tell, flying a 27-month-old kid on his mom's lap isn't a legal option under FAA rules... legally, their options were to bump both the kid and his mom, or to bump the other passenger (or some other passenger). Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
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@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
...then drag someone from the plane and rough them up a bit.
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@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
I agree. I would rather be bumped with my toddler than sacrifice her safety.
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
...then drag someone from the plane and rough them up a bit.
I do love good TV.
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
I agree. I would rather be bumped with my toddler than sacrifice her
safety.FTFY
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
I agree. I would rather be bumped with my toddler than sacrifice her safety.
I guess no one should even drive anywhere with their kids either due to the risk of accidents.
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@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
I agree. I would rather be bumped with my toddler than sacrifice her safety.
I guess no one should even drive anywhere with their kids either due to the risk of accidents.
That is a good point.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@anotherusername said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Either way, they should've followed the bumped passenger laws... ask for volunteers, and then pick someone to bump.
I agree. I would rather be bumped with my toddler than sacrifice her safety.
I guess no one should even drive anywhere with their kids either due to the risk of accidents.
That is a good point.
In general, we suck at risk assessment.
The world is objectively less violent than it ever has been and most people think it is getting worse.
We are raising kids so sheltered that they do not know how to adult because can't leave them alone for a minute as they are being stalked by every pedophile.
etc, etc. etc.
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@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The world is objectively less violent than it ever has been and most people think it is getting worse.
And the (British tabloid) media fuel this with their hate-fuelled headlines designed to sow conflict and discord among otherwise reasonable people.
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@raceprouk said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The world is objectively less violent than it ever has been and most people think it is getting worse.
And the (British tabloid) media fuel this with their hate-fuelled headlines designed to sow conflict and discord among otherwise reasonable people.
The media is definitely part of it. We hear about every bad thing that happens anywhere.
Even if media isn't trying to sow conflict our hearing about all the other things that happen elsewhere leads to the impression that it is worse now.
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@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The world is objectively less violent than it ever has been and most people think it is getting worse.
Maybe the world, definitely not the area I live.
Murder rate since 1980:
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@karla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The world is objectively less violent than it ever has been and most people think it is getting worse.
Maybe the world, definitely not the area I live.
Murder rate since 1980:
Yeah. Socialism/Communism kills. News at 11.
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Maybe the world, definitely not the area I live.
Yeah, in the civilized world (NB: this is not the same as the civilised world) it's definitely true. My kids have gotten into fewer fights than I did when I was a kid and I got into fewer fights than my dad did when he was a kid.
A coworker recently went to the Marine Corps museum (which is awesome, though I haven't been in quite a while) and asked one of the docents (retired USMC, of course) why they assaulted so many of those islands and lost thousands of lives exterminating the Japanese there, instead of, like, just starving them out or whatever. Apparently the guy basically shrugged and said, "It was a different time."
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@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Yeah. Socialism/Communism kills. News at 11.
In your world view, any country that isn't rich is socialist?
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Yeah. Socialism/Communism kills. News at 11.
In your world view, any country that isn't rich is socialist?
In any world view, any country that is socialist will soon lose its wealth.
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@pjh said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
* That needs to be a thing, but ICBA.
Well, seems I had some time on my hands. It is now a thing.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
My kids have gotten into fewer fights than I did when I was a kid and I got into fewer fights than my dad did when he was a kid.
Different consequences now...
In my time, you might be stuck in detention for a few days. Now the cops come, handcuff you, and drag you off to jail.
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@dcon said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
My kids have gotten into fewer fights than I did when I was a kid and I got into fewer fights than my dad did when he was a kid.
Different consequences now...
In my time, you might be stuck in detention for a few days. Now the cops come, handcuff you, and drag you off to jail.
OK, but even just in the neighborhood. Actually, at my high school, we got a full time sheriff's deputy midway through my freshman year. No one got arrested, but I remember the first fight that he broke up. It was...impressive. I think it was the last one he had to break up, too.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
just in the neighborhood
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United hates comic books:
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@polygeekery huh...
So how did this happen? Dankers didn’t speculate, and United hasn’t responded to our request for comment yet. But it’s possible that United massively misread a 2016 TSA blog post aimed at Comic-Con attendees. In a list of “suggestions” for packing, it advised putting brochures, comic books, and magazines in carry-on bags instead of checked luggage, because large stacks of them could trigger bag searches that slowed down security. But that was a logistical guideline, not a literal security rule.
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Not united, but similar enough
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@boner Schrödinger's dog in overhead locker experiment wasn't as catchy.
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At least this one made it alive. At the moment...
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@boner That flight attendant needs to be fired and banned from working with any airline. He or she is an idiot.
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@brisingraerowing said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boner That flight attendant needs to be fired and banned from working with any airline. He or she is an idiot.
Nah, they just need to be put into an airtight container until they figure out why the dog died.
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@pjh said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
At least this one made it alive. At the moment...
Reports indicate the dog was heard remarking as it disembarked the plane, "Totoro, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore."
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@brisingraerowing said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boner That flight attendant needs to be fired and banned from working with any airline. He or she is an idiot.
I read in a Dutch article that out of 24 animal deaths on american flights, 18 were with united airlines. That doesn't sound like a problem with an individual attendant; it is at minimum a problem with not hiring competent attendants.
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@pleegwat said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@brisingraerowing said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@boner That flight attendant needs to be fired and banned from working with any airline. He or she is an idiot.
I read in a Dutch article that out of 24 animal deaths on american flights, 18 were with united airlines. That doesn't sound like a problem with an individual attendant; it is at minimum a problem with not hiring competent attendants.
That is entirely dependant on undisclosed statistics.
If for instance about 3/4 of the pet flying is done with United, the fact that 18 out of 24 pet deaths on flights happened with United is entirely expected.
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@carnage There's always that.
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@boner said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
While this is indeed terrible, I don't understand why the owner did not check on the puppy during the flight. Presumably they weren't banned from opening the locker, right?
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@deadfast The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there, and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane, else they can remove you from the flight. (So one would assume that everything the crew tells you is for your safety.) Why would she need to check up on it? The passenger is not the one to blame here.
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@blakeyrat said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
What? I don't remember United killing a bunch of kids.
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@deadfast The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there, and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane, else they can remove you from the flight. (So one would assume that everything the crew tells you is for your safety.) Why would she need to check up on it? The passenger is not the one to blame here.
Meh. In any situation blame is shared. In this case I would say it is 99%/1%, but she could have traveled by alternate means.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
What? I don't remember United killing a bunch of kids.
Give it a few days.
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@polygeekery She had no way of knowing the flight would be dangerous (or even fatal) to the pet. Second, a three hour flight means a distance of 1500-2000 km, so something like 15 hours by car or train.
In any situation blame is shared.
This sounds like something a rapist would say
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
She had no way of knowing the flight would be dangerous (or even fatal) to the pet.
Horseshit. I wouldn't do it. I can tell you that much right now. If someone tells me to put an animal in a box for three hours with poor ventilation, I would just tell them no and find other transportation.
@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Second, a three hour flight means a distance of 1500-2000 km, so something like 15 hours by car or train.
So?
@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
This sounds like something a rapist would say
No.
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@lukfi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
The flight attendant assured her that it's safe to put the dog there, and you are always required to obey the flight crew on a plane
Hmm....
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/03/15/united-issue-special-pet-carrier-tags-dogs-death/
CHICAGO (AP) — United Airlines has announced it will issue special bag tags for animal carriers and prosecutors have launched an investigation to determine if criminal charges are warranted following the death of a French bulldog puppy that was forced into an overhead bin on a United flight.
The Chicago-based airline said a flight attendant who ordered the passenger to put her pet carrier in the overhead bin aboard a Houston-to-New York flight Monday didn’t know there was a dog inside.
“To prevent this from happening again, by April we will issue bright colored bag tags to customers traveling with in-cabin pets,” United said in a statement.
The family that owned the dog and other passengers contradicted the airline’s account, saying the dog’s barks were audible from inside the bin.