WTF Bites
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
What happened to the other >4 GB?
There were versions of Android which would gradually lose space to failed downloads of app updates.
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I hope you're not expecting your regular consumer to do unit simplification in their head?
They would not have to do unit simplification if they hadn’t expressed it as 129 * 1000 / 1000 W h / h. Alas, now they do.
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Back in the late 80s, or maybe in early 90s, it was decided that C++ standard library headers won't have
.h
or any other file extension. Around the same time, it was decided that OCaml compiler distribution will contain a file named VERSION to store compiler's version. 30 years later, the two have collided because C++ standard library was extended with <version> header file.
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Back in the late 80s, or maybe in early 90s, it was decided that C++ standard library headers won't have
.h
or any other file extension. Around the same time, it was decided that OCaml compiler distribution will contain a file named VERSION to store compiler's version. 30 years later, the two have collided because C++ standard library was extended with <version> header file.They should have had
std::
in the names of all those C++ standard headers, as they knew they weren't going into a space that was unoccupied. (Compilers would have been free to implement#include <std::version>
however they thought best.)
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(Compilers would have been free to implement
#include <std::version>
however they thought best.)They already are free to do that.
And the complaint above seems like a really fringe use-case that's not C++'s fault. (I mean, there's valid complaints already, no need to add others)
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I've always thought that the C standard library had a good namespace. Because C and C++ are a disease.
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some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
It's also a unit that's quite easily understood: The power of an electric device is easily discovered (even though it may only be maximum power consuption) and the time unit "hour" is also comparably handy and commonly used.
I mean, you rarely say: "Let's meet in 1800 seconds." instead of "Let's meet in half an hour."
("half an hour" also implicity contains the acknowledgment that it might be a bit more of less than that. Whereas "1800 seconds" would undoubtedly yield the question: "Why not 1799 seconds?" as a reply. At least from a non-marginal percentage of the populace of this forum. I'm including myself, mind.)
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They would not have to do unit simplification if they hadn’t expressed it as 129 * 1000 / 1000 W h / h. Alas, now they do.
You missed the point. "kWh" is 'a unit' people might recognize even if they don't have the slightest idea what it means.
Also, 1000 hours sounds like a long time, which is good for marketing.
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The power of an electric device is easily discovered (even though it may only be maximum power consuption)
Yes, you only have to take the 127 kWh / 1000 hours, do some elementary math, and then you have the power. Or they could just print the result on it.
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They would not have to do unit simplification if they hadn’t expressed it as 129 * 1000 / 1000 W h / h. Alas, now they do.
You missed the point. "kWh" is 'a unit' people might recognize even if they don't have the slightest idea what it means.
And one they can easily turn into "how much it costs to watch this TV compared to that other TV" which is an easily understood comparison for the average person should they care.
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The power consumption is rated at 129 kWh / 1000h. Um, so you mean 129 W. Both the k and the h cancel out. What kind of retarded unit is that?!
Kilowatts-hour is the popular unit for electricity consumption.
I'd say watts are even more popular.
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The power consumption is rated at 129 kWh / 1000h. Um, so you mean 129 W. Both the k and the h cancel out. What kind of retarded unit is that?!
Kilowatts-hour is the popular unit for electricity consumption.
I'd say watts are even more popular.
Do you mean the unit of light bulb brightness or the unit of how long it'll take something to cook in the microwave?
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@Parody Yes.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
They would not have to do unit simplification if they hadn’t expressed it as 129 * 1000 / 1000 W h / h. Alas, now they do.
You missed the point. "kWh" is 'a unit' people might recognize even if they don't have the slightest idea what it means.
And one they can easily turn into "how much it costs to watch this TV compared to that other TV" which is an easily understood comparison for the average person should they care.
Yeah, I give no shits about "how much power" a TV is using. I care a little bit about how much the power will cost me, but I seriously doubt it's going to be very significant.
Eh...assume the TV gets watched 6 hours per day on average (ass-pull). That's about 160 days...somewhere between 5 and 6 months. My rate is something like 11.66¢ / kWh. For 129 kWh that's about $15. So, about $40 per year. Meh.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
So if you were billed by the electronvolt you’d say that’s suddenly the most logical and useful unit for your electricity use?
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
So if you were billed by the electronvolt you’d say that’s suddenly the most logical and useful unit for your electricity use?
He's American. They already argue that inch is the most logical and useful because they've got used to it.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
So if you were billed by the electronvolt you’d say that’s suddenly the most logical and useful unit for your electricity use?
He's American. They already argue that inch is the most logical and useful because they've got used to it.
I argue that units don't matter so long as information is adequately (not necessarily accurately or precisely!) conveyed in a manner that satisfies.
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@Gąska And of course that exact same argument applies to the metric system too. Human-scale measurement units are arbitrary. Just because some are more widely used than others doesn't make them any less arbitrary.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
some consideration later: it’s claimed that kWh are generally easier to work with (despite a suspicion that approximately nobody is regularly multiplying power consumption by hours of use).
And it's true because that's the unit that shows up on the electric bill.
So if you were billed by the electronvolt you’d say that’s suddenly the most logical and useful unit for your electricity use?
I'd say that it was the most logical unit for TV manufacturers to market at me.
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The power consumption is rated at 129 kWh / 1000h. Um, so you mean 129 W. Both the k and the h cancel out. What kind of retarded unit is that?!
Kilowatts-hour is the popular unit for electricity consumption.
I'd say watts are even more popular.
Do you mean the unit of light bulb brightness or the unit of how long it'll take something to cook in the microwave?
The unit of how mega is your bass
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: I caught a bass that was at least 500W big!
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@Zerosquare peaceful protests intensifying
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@Zecc Question is ... can you post a kilowatt or a megawatt on WTDWTF?
A kilowat(t):
A megawat(t):
1000000iESC*coffebreak - vim is really hard*
*finish coffee - vim is still *
*read up on glfwSetClipboardString()*
*quickly mash up a small program*
*vim is still *
*run program*
*paste in firefox - firefox slows down significantly*
*Your connection to TDWTF has been lost-toaster*
*Hit submit - Nope - max length is 32k. Lame.*
*vim is still in the background*
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quickly mash up a small program
Surprisingly, there are times when a shell script is the right solution.
$ time yes :wat: | head -1000000 > wat.txt real 0m0.066s user 0m0.031s sys 0m0.031s
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@Zecc Question is ... can you post a kilowatt or a megawatt on WTDWTF?
A kilowat(t):
A megawat(t):
1000000iESC*coffebreak - vim is really hard*
*finish coffee - vim is still *
*read up on glfwSetClipboardString()*
*quickly mash up a small program*
*vim is still *
*run program*
*paste in firefox - firefox slows down significantly*
*Your connection to TDWTF has been lost-toaster*
*Hit submit - Nope - max length is 32k. Lame.*
*vim is still in the background*
Someone should make one of these with the face. Then we'd have the jigglywat.
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@cvi VI, the text editor so good that by the time it puts on its pants to try to figure out what you want to do, you've already written another tool from scratch to do it
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@hungrier Yeah. It's 2021. If you can't deal with counts of stuff in the millions, it's a bit embarrassing. (I get it - it wasn't designed for that, but that excuse is lame as well...)
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If you can't deal with counts of stuff in the millions, it's a bit embarrassing.
I'm wondering if it is the syntax highlighter that's causing the problem. Those are often handled by feeding in lines one at a time, and if you've got an inefficient set of regexes in use (because style developers are idiots) then feeding in a long line will cause everything to choke.
Which is dumb. Real
vi
doesn't have that problem; I used it long ago to handle very large lines.
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If you can't deal with counts of stuff in the millions, it's a bit embarrassing.
I'm wondering if it is the syntax highlighter that's causing the problem. Those are often handled by feeding in lines one at a time, and if you've got an inefficient set of regexes in use (because style developers are idiots) then feeding in a long line will cause everything to choke.
Which is dumb. Real
vi
doesn't have that problem; I used it long ago to handle very large lines.vim.basic
is quite slow at it as well.
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@dkf Briefly generated the file via @PleegWat's method and removed the newlines. It happily opens that.
It's probably just that the 1000000iESC-method is a really dumb way of doing this. I'm guessing it's just replaying the command sequence a million times.
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I'm having a deliciously dumb experience at the moment.
I want to quickly test something on a work machine's environment. That particular Linux environment is only reachable from within work-network. Ergo:
- Log in to remote Windows desktop via browser.
- Open browser on remote Windows machine
- Log in to remote Linux desktop via browser on the remote Windows machine
- Open text terminal on final Linux machine so I can type three commands
Apparently SSH is too insecure or something, so exposing that to the internet would be dangerous. All of this is makes a telnet connection on a 33k modem look speedy.
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So I looked at TVs the other day.
WTF 1: almost all of them had an F or G rating for energy efficiency, except for one that had an A. I assume that one used an older scale and they upgraded it in the meantime. Which would make sense, since for other things it was getting ridiculous that the bad ones had B or A ratings because the good ones were at A+++. However, if I’m correct with that assumption, I didn’t see anything on the label hinting to that. Nothing that would mark the “version” of the scale used on it, which makes it useless.
(And if I’m incorrect then all TVs except that one are a WTF)WTF 2: The power consumption is rated at 129 kWh / 1000h. Um, so you mean 129 W. Both the k and the h cancel out. What kind of retarded unit is that?!
WTF 3: What’s that right below? There it says 217 kWh / 1000 h. That’s 70% more! Which one is it?!
Simple. 129W is "stand-by" energy disspiation, i.e. when the device is NOT switched on.
The 217W are on top of that, when it is switched on.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
11.66¢ / kWh
Move to Germany, and buy bright green energy: triple your price.
Oh, wait, your cents are US cents, aren't they? So, ...
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that inch is the most logical and useful
Of course it is.
What will people understand better -- an inchworm
- a zero dot zero two five four meter worm?
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@dkf Briefly generated the file via @PleegWat's method and removed the newlines. It happily opens that.
It's probably just that the 1000000iESC-method is a really dumb way of doing this. I'm guessing it's just replaying the command sequence a million times.
I occasionally accidentally trigger it with a single-digit number, and even then it feels slow.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
that inch is the most logical and useful
Of course it is.
What will people understand better -- an inchworm
- a zero dot zero two five four meter worm?
In Sweden we have over 300 species of them, so I can't say for certain, but I believe most of them are not to spec for an inch. We just call them mätarlarv instead.
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I believe most of them are not to spec for an inch.
Hasn't the EU standardized them?
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
129W is "stand-by" energy disspiation
That's awful.
I think he's confused. That's an European TV, not an American one.
(: something something )
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
129W is "stand-by" energy disspiation
That's awful.
It was a joke.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
that inch is the most logical and useful
Of course it is.
What will people understand better -- an inchworm
- a zero dot zero two five four meter worm?
Ironically, an adult form of inchworm is on average exactly 1cm long.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
Simple. 129W is "stand-by" energy disspiation, i.e. when the device is NOT switched on.
Now, I know modern TVs have a separate time-configured 'ready for use' mode because they cannot switch from the EU-mandated <0.5W 'off' to full use mode in the under a second most consumers expect.
But 129W when the panel is off seems excessive.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
Simple. 129W is "stand-by" energy disspiation, i.e. when the device is NOT switched on.
Now, I know modern TVs have a separate time-configured 'ready for use' mode because they cannot switch from the EU-mandated <0.5W 'off' to full use mode in the under a second most consumers expect.
But 129W when the panel is off seems excessive.
Yes, because it's 129W when the TV is on and in SDR mode.