More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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This time it happened while some pro gamer was hosting a Twitch stream. Oops!
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Caught by surprise
Of course, users will probably have to put up with the Anniversary Update installing itself whenever it likes firstβ¦
Yes - that's exactly how it works
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@mott555 Sounds like their IT people done screwed up!
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What pro gamer in their right mind turns off all sorts of shit to get the best performance, yet doesn't check their PC's fully updated?
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@RaceProUK Do people still turn stuff off while gaming? In the 90s maybe, but in 2016 I thought people stopped. He's a pro gamer, I assume he's not on some old poverty spec machine.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Do people still turn stuff off while gaming?
Regular people, no, but if you're thuper-therial about your pro gaming, you'll be looking to squeeze every last FPS out of your machine, especially if you're playing an FPS.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Do people still turn stuff off while gaming?
Regular people, no, but if you're thuper-therial about your pro gaming, you'll be looking to squeeze every last FPS out of your machine, especially if you're playing an FPS.
that and you want to be extra super sure that windows doesn't decide to do updates while you are in teh middle of your game.
;-)
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@accalia And the best way of doing that is to manually run Windows Update an hour or so before you begin
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And the best way of doing that is to manually run Windows Update an hour or so before you begin
Or not ignore the 3 days warning it gives you, telling you when it's going to reboot.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia And the best way of doing that is to manually run Windows Update an hour or so before you begin
or reboot your gaming rig nightly anyway so the updates happen regularly instead of waiting for windows to be pissed off enough at your lollygagging to force the reboot.
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia And the best way of doing that is to manually run Windows Update an hour or so before you begin
or reboot your gaming rig nightly anyway so the updates happen regularly instead of waiting for windows to be pissed off enough at your lollygagging to force the reboot.
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And the best way of doing that is to manually run Windows Update an hour or so before you begin
Or not ignore the 3 days warning it gives you, telling you when it's going to reboot.
Plus, with the next big update you can also postpone any and all major updates for up to a week - and you can also schedule the reboot down to the minute.
Not sure what mott555 is doing wrong. Never seen those mythical forced-reboots-during-the-workday some people here insist on lying about.
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@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Not sure what mott555 is doing wrong.
I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10, that's what I did wrong. I've never been one to hate on new versions of Windows. I even liked Windows Vista and thought the hate was misdirected and overhyped. But Win10 has been a disaster for me.
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@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
and you can also schedule the reboot down to the minute.
I wish you could prevent updates from being applied at certain times/days(*), even though you reboot the machine. It's bloody annoying when you're supposed to hold a presentation/whatever, having to reboot for some reason, and then having to wait for the 5+ minutes of windows update to finish.
(*) Or perhaps make the machine only ever apply updates when you're at a certain place (connected to a certain network or whatever).
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10,
ah. yes. i've never seen an upgrade from windows versions that went smoothy without something messing up in the middle, usually it's the littlestuff.... but sometimes it's big.
if you can, at somepoint install from the bare metal on up, you should have a vastly improved experience
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@cvi All it needs is the old "You need to reboot for updates. Reboot now, or manually reboot later?" dialog that used to exist. That system worked perfectly.
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
i've never seen an upgrade from windows versions that went smoothy without something messing up in the middle
Neither of my upgrades from 8.1 to 10 had problems, that I can recall.
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10,
ah. yes. i've never seen an upgrade from windows versions that went smoothy without something messing up in the middle, usually it's the littlestuff.... but sometimes it's big.
if you can, at somepoint install from the bare metal on up, you should have a vastly improved experience
My work PC was a fresh install of Win10 instead of an upgrade. I've had it reboot in the middle of compiling a Visual Studio solution before. That is especially annoying because our corporate-mandated
antivirus (Symantec) makes reboots take 10 - 20 minutes even if there is no OS update going on.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cvi All it needs is the old "You need to reboot for updates. Reboot now, or manually reboot later?" dialog that used to exist. That system worked perfectly.
And an option that says "Reboot (but don't update)" in addition to the "Reboot and install updates" (plus similar for Shutdown).
I'm fairly sure that I've seen this, so this perhaps also used to exist at some point.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Neither of my upgrades from 8.1 to 10 had problems, that I can recall.
mine worked mostly okay, but neither one was perfect.... each one went odd in tiny little ways. installing from scratch fixed both.
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@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
with the next big update you can also postpone any and all major updates for up to a week
You can now, unless that's a Windows 10 Pro feature only?
Windows Update tells me it's rebooting in 3 days at $TIME - I can tell it a new time, or a new day/time which can be up to 3/4 days later.It's suggested times used to be stupid - but it seems to have got better at suggesting reboot times now.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
Clearly, you're not rebooting often enough
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@loopback0 I usually turn off all my chat programs if I'm recording a video game for YouTube.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It's suggested times used to be stupid - but it seems to have got better at suggesting reboot times now.
I get the impression that it learns what times you use your computer, so if you're regularly on at 3:30 AM it will piss you off initially but then adapt and set it to a time it's regularly not been in use.
Bottom line is, it's better than the old behaviour where people would go months at a time without installing security updates and then bitch about MS making an insecure OS. I don't know when my PC last installed updates. I come back to it, unlock it and it's ready to go. Sometimes there's an "updates were installed" notification, but I don't always check them.
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
or reboot your gaming rig nightly anyway so the updates happen regularly instead of waiting for windows to be pissed off enough at your lollygagging to force the reboot.
or use Linux and wait for Microsoft to switch to Linux kernel too
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@cvi said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
"Reboot (but don't update)" in addition to the "Reboot and install updates"
OSX has this, but still manages to screw it up. Last time I started an update, I had to reboot in a hurry and chose the "Reboot (but don't update)" option. When I had time to finish the update, I started a reboot expecting it to ask me again if I wanted to install the updates. Nope, it just rebooted without installing again. I had to go back to the App Store to initiate the reboot with updates.
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@NedFodder said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
OSX has this
Probably where I saw it then. :-)
I had to reboot in a hurry and chose the "Reboot (but don't update)" option. When I had time to finish the update, I started a reboot expecting it to ask me again if I wanted to install the updates. Nope, it just rebooted without installing again. I had to go back to the App Store to initiate the reboot with updates.
I'd rather deal with that at my convenience than being forced to wait for updates to complete at some inopportune time. (However, switching to MacOS is not an acceptable solution to this problem.)
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I swear. You guys with your, "Just do this." "Or just do that." "You could just."
Brainwashed. All of you. That this is a recurring thing is the icing on the shit cake that is Windows Updates.
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@boomzilla Clearly, Windows Update can't be wrong, it's been designed by a multi-billion dollar company.
OpenSourceShit is doing it wrong. My workstation is proof :
~$ uptime
11:37:06 up 36 days, 23:54, 6 users, load average: 0.34, 0.24, 0.19last reboot was when I upgrade from Debian 7 to 8. And that upgrade made me reboot just ONCE !
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@Jaloopa My sex life is grateful that I use Windows 7 on my gaming rig
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
ah. yes. i've never seen an upgrade from windows versions that went smoothy without something messing up in the middle, usually it's the littlestuff.... but sometimes it's big.
Guess I've been lucky... All 5 of my machines that were upgraded (from win7 and 8.1) went smooth. No issues at all...
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You can now, unless that's a Windows 10 Pro feature only?
Windows Update tells me it's rebooting in 3 days at $TIME - I can tell it a new time, or a new day/time which can be up to 3/4 days later.I think it may be a pro feature. I'm pretty sure that's where the 'Notify to schedule restart' option came in. (My only non-pro machine is at home, so I can't check right now... I may also be confusing that with the defer option that kicks things out 3 months)
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@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Brainwashed. All of you.
And yet we're the ones who never have problems... hmm...
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
uptime
Only matters for servers
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@RaceProUK this kind of dummy, obviously.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
Well throw that piece of garbage out and get one that works right. If you are rebooting daily and still somehow get forced reboots, you must be doing something wrong, and/or it's broken, because if you reboot, it will apply updates. I mean, shit, it's done that since XP ("apply updates and shutdown").
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10
I've done that to four machines so far and haven't seen it. But if it's that much of a problem maybe you should wipe the machine and start fresh with 10 instead of upgrading.
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@mott555 Good. Fuck him.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
What pro gamer in their right mind turns off all sorts of shit to get the best performance,
When is your timepod set to? That hasn't been necessary in decades.
@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
yet doesn't check their PC's fully updated?
This, however, is a valid point.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
I know I've said it before but I literally do not believe this is true.
Either you're lying about rebooting it often, or you're lying about it updating while you're using it. Or you're lying-by-omission by not adding that you reboot it by yanking the power cord.
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@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I swear. You guys with your, "Just do this." "Or just do that." "You could just."
Let me guess, we should stick with Windows For Workgroups 3.11 like you,
grandpagrandmai'm triggered by your avatar because I can't figure out how to insult you properly?
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@FrostCat No, he uses an OS from the 70s that prefers you to type stuff in rather than using a GUI
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Brainwashed. All of you.
And yet we're the ones who never have problems... hmm...
The brainwashed never see a problem.
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
uptime
Only matters for servers
Yes, because you don't mind your workstation rebooting in the middle of something.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Yes, because you don't mind your workstation rebooting in the middle of something.
I haven't had that happen in YEARS, because I pay attention to the three-day warning. (And/or I just let it reboot overnight, and avoid being the kind of person who leaves 800 tabs and 16 copies of Photoshop running.)
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Yes, because you don't mind your workstation rebooting in the middle of something.
~20 years and counting, and that's never happened to me
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I haven't had that happen in YEARS, because I pay attention to the three-day warning. (And/or I just let it reboot overnight, and avoid being the kind of person who leaves 800 tabs and 16 copies of Photoshop running.)
Windows 7 only let me postpone the reboot for 4 hours max.
And not long ago, I was in a game, fullscreen when that 4 hours elapsed. Guess what happened after about 10 minutes without an answer from me, since I couldn't see the popup ?
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
you don't mind your workstation rebooting in the middle of
somethingthe night, when you're not using it
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Windows 7 only let me postpone the reboot for 4 hours max.
And not long ago, I was in a game, fullscreen when that 4 hours elapsed.And like 99% of users, you blame Windows for your own stupidity
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And yet we're the ones who never have problems... hmm...
Exactly. You've accepted your training.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I swear. You guys with your, "Just do this." "Or just do that." "You could just."
Let me guess, we should stick with Windows For Workgroups 3.11 like you,
grandpagrandmai'm triggered by your avatar because I can't figure out how to insult you properly?You're a terrible guesser.
@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat No, he uses an OS from the 70s that prefers you to type stuff in rather than using a GUI
You must have me confused with someone else. I get a little icon in my notification area. Then I click that and tell it to run updates. Then I enter my password and stuff gets updated. I can choose when all of that happens and whether and when I reboot afterwards (it tells me if anything I did requires that).
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Windows 7 only let me postpone the reboot for 4 hours max.
And not long ago, I was in a game, fullscreen when that 4 hours elapsed.So let me get this straight:
- Windows warned you it needed a reboot, and asked if it could do it now
- You said no, ask again in 4 hours when it'll be more convenient
- You then started playing a fullscreen game, knowing full well Windows needed a reboot, but choosing not to reboot before you started
- You were surprised when Windows asked again, as you had asked, and then rebooted, assuming you had walked away from the machine
- This is Windows' fault?