More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
laptops are actually function correctly
hardware that works correctly? DOES_NOT_COMPUTE
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Luhmann said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
That is your own damn fault ... you never close your laptop and start walking around with it without saving files first.
Thus speaks someone who has no experience of how a laptop ought to work. You've been so conditioned to brokenness that you're habitually taking steps to avoid even possibly losing work, even though it's actually probably unnecessary when laptops are actually function correctly.
It's similar to people who need backups and DR equipments. When everything is alright, it's not necessary. When things start to broke, those who are not prepared will take the loss.
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@cheong said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It's similar to people who need backups and DR equipments. When everything is alright, it's not necessary. When things start to broke, those who are not prepared will take the loss.
The apps ought to synch their state to disk transparently so that everything can can just recover transparently. There are easy ways to do that these days; my favourite is to just use SQLite to persist things as they happen (and it's pretty reliable in the face of reboot abuse; that's part of their test suite).
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@Luhmann said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
hardware that works correctly? DOES_NOT_COMPUTE
I like how this comment still works if you remove all the punctuation.
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@Luhmann said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
That is your own damn fault ... you never close your laptop and start walking around with it without saving files first.
Another one successfully brainwashed by Micro-Soft
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You've been so conditioned to brokenness that you're habitually taking steps to avoid even possibly losing work, even though it's actually probably unnecessary when laptops are actually function correctly.
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Another one successfully brainwashed by Micro-Soft
So, what you're saying is, accidentally dropping my laptop down the stairs causing the screen to break and/or the battery to come out isn't a scenario I should prepare for by saving my data before moving my laptop unless I'm using Microsoft software? Don't even get me started on HDDs instead of SSDs in laptops.
I feel like hitting Ctrl+S before closing the screen is so simple that I shouldn't not do it just because someone thinks it makes me more conditioned to less-than-perfect technology. To believe that we should always act as if technology is always perfect is dangerous and we all know that. At least, I think we all keep backups.
Also, I don't really like autosave - unless it's Notepad++ style in that the changes are autosaved to a different file in a special directory and I get to decide when to actually save to the actual file. No point changing the modified timestamp triggering a cascading rebuild of dozens of modules just because I changed my mind about editing a file. While we're complaining about software that doesn't go the extra mile by autosaving, why don't I just make that extra mile slightly longer by requesting Notepad++ style autosaving?
Yes, taking preventative measures does make us conditioned to broken technology, but that isn't a bad thing. A bad thing is being conditioned to perfect technology and expecting the same from all technology. (Can you think of anyone you know that expects everything to magically work all the time, never takes preventative measures, and constantly loses time and money as a result?)
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
So, what you're saying is, accidentally dropping my laptop down the stairs causing the screen to break and/or the battery to come out isn't a scenario I should prepare for by saving my data before moving my laptop unless I'm using Microsoft software? Don't even get me started on HDDs instead of SSDs in laptops.
I'm saying that it's BS that you should have to prepare for data loss, that it is such a likely event that you need to take prophylactic action () every time. Software can auto-save to a state DB in the background; the explicit “save to a file” is really writing a non-DB serialisation out. Most of the time, you don't use your computing hardware as a bullet-proof vest. The majority of systems can actually come back from sleep perfectly well, or at least should do. That we see people wasting time over and over on something that really ought to be unimportant and unnecessary because the computer does the right thing for them is really annoying.
And yes, you want an SSD anyway. They're awesome. Worth it.
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You've been so conditioned to brokenness that you're habitually taking steps to avoid even possibly losing work, even though it's actually probably unnecessary when laptops are actually function correctly.
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Another one successfully brainwashed by Micro-Soft
So, what you're saying is, accidentally dropping my laptop down the stairs causing the screen to break and/or the battery to come out isn't a scenario I should prepare for by saving my data before moving my laptop unless I'm using Microsoft software?
No, what I'm saying is that you should never save work on your local computer.
What if the building explode, or an airplane hit it exactly where you are sitting ?
What if a terrorist comes beside you and make himself explode ?
What if a huge tsunami hit wherever you are and your laptop disappear with it ?
What if another nation bombs the shit out of your workplace for raisins ?
@HardwareGeek's laptop rebooted by itself because Windows Update broken shit.
Not because he dropped it down the stairs.And I never dropped my laptop down the stairs, so I choose to take that chance.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And I never dropped my laptop down the stairs, so I choose to take that chance.
I've fallen over in the past and landed on my laptop. It didn't lose anything. Titanium case and SSD FTW!
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No, what I'm saying is that you should never save work on your local computer.
I can agree with that. I guess that's why they sell laptops with the ability to use 3G/4G data plans for those times when you don't have WiFi or internet.
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@HardwareGeek's laptop rebooted by itself because Windows Update broken shit.
I can agree with that too. But IMO that doesn't mean he shouldn't press Ctrl+S.
@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Software can auto-save to a state DB in the background; the explicit “save to a file” is really writing a non-DB serialisation out.
Yep, that's what I was talking about with Notepad++.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No, what I'm saying is that you should never save work on your local computer.
What if the building explode, or an airplane hit it exactly where you are sitting ?Actually in the case of laptop, networking is not expected to be always available, especially when you're working at location that your only choice of connection is GSM or other metered connection.
When I was working as vendor for government, they won't allow us to plug the non-government property laptops to the government network. We had to email the daily build to their staff using GSM connection shared from our phone everyday.
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For a while now, in Insider previews, you get one of these icons down in the bottom right of your primary monitor:
In my experience, when I unlock my work PC in the morning, it ALSO puts up a popup down there saying Windows needs to restart .
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
when I unlock my work PC in the morning, it ALSO puts up a popup down there saying Windows needs to restart .
If you need to restart your PC every morning, is .
Thank goodness I'm on LTSB and not the cutting edge, I don't get reboots all that often at all and Windows never tells me I need to do so.
Then again, when it reboots on its own it's a rather wet slap in the face...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If you need to restart your PC every morning
Afternoon, Blakey!
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
screencap of @HardwareGeek's cool system tray icon
Pretty sure it's going to turn out to be the gear.
I finally got it again:
There was no notification in Action Center, only the tiny icon and the brief, 3-second-or-so, slide-in-slide-out message. And opening Snipping Tool to grab the screenshot put enough stuff on the task bar to push the icon onto the hidden icons overflow, so again, if I hadn't seen that brief slide-in message, I might never have noticed the "notification."
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
the tiny icon
I hope you were smart enough to go into the Action Center and flip that to "show icon and notifications".
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
go into the Action Center and flip that
And how, pray tell, do I do that? The only thing I see in Action Center that is remotely like that is All Settings, and just about everything in Notifications & actions than can be on is on, except Calendar. And the right-click, it does nothing.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
flip that
If you insist:
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And how, pray tell, do I do tha
Sorry, I don't remember how to use out-of-date OSes any longer. But you should've had an icon on the expanded list when you hit the Up chevron that lets you show/hide icons and/or notifications for tray items, and there shou'dve been one for the green icon you showed..
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
how, pray tell, do I do that?
Dragging those icons out of the box of hidden ones and dropping them on the task bar still works in W10 afaik.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I don't remember how to use out-of-date OSes any longer.
TIL Win10 is out-of-date.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
But you should've had an icon on the expanded list when you hit the Up chevron that lets you show/hide icons and/or notifications for tray items,
Nope. And right-click -> Properties -> Notification Area: Customize just opens the the same Settings window I already had open.
@flabdablet said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Dragging those icons out of the box of hidden ones
Yup, thanks; TIL — or relearned, if I used to know it but had forgotten, because it's knowledge I very rarely need.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
TIL Win10 is out-of-date.
Hm. Looks like 7. Also, that icon looks like 7. And isn't the usual one for "Windows wants to reboot".
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
But you should've had an icon on the expanded list when you hit the Up chevron that lets you show/hide icons and/or notifications for tray items,
Lol nope
What you want to do:
Right click the Clock, which shows a special version of the normal context menu:
Click Customize notification icons:
Click "Select which icons appear on the taskbar" (Sorry it's greyed out, my mouse was over it when taking the screenshot)
Find your disappearing icon, and flip the switch to "On":
Somewhat profit!
@flabdablet said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Dragging those icons out of the box of hidden ones and dropping them on the task bar still works in W10 afaik.
Aha! But only if it's still there!
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
the usual one for "Windows wants to reboot".
Considering I've never seen this icon myself, I have no comment.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
ight-click -> Properties -> Notification Area: Customize
Right-click on taskbar, choose Properties, make sure you're in Taskbar. Scroll down to Notifications, pick "select which icons appear on the taskbar".
This may have changed since the November update. Besides "it's time to reboot" shows up in the little bubble now, see my picture from earlier.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Hm. Looks like 7. Also, that icon looks like 7. And isn't the usual one for "Windows wants to reboot".
Dunno about that, but it's Win10 Enterprise on 3.5 month-old laptop.
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@Tsaukpaetra how'd you make your Settings.app dark themed? :/
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Hm. Looks like 7. Also, that icon looks like 7. And isn't the usual one for "Windows wants to reboot".
Dunno about that, but it's Win10 Enterprise on 3.5 month-old laptop.
Mine's more "stable" though, because LTSB.
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra how'd you make your Settings.app dark themed? :/
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Click Customize notification icons
That menu is going to change:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Considering I've never seen this icon myself, I have no comment.
Next build, I'll try to get a screenshot.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Click Customize notification icons
That menu is going to change:
Not for a few years it won't!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Outdated:
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Outdated
By design! :)
Edit: For shame, should have used Winver, that anonymizes the username for some who-knows-why reason. ;)
Also, Do you not capitalize your own name?!
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
pick "select which icons appear on the taskbar".
I see nothing there about reboot notifications.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I see nothing there about reboot notifications.
Sorry, lost the train for a minute. As I later said, those don't show up there any longer. I got no idea what that green thing was in your screenie.
Now you get the filled icon I showed this afternoon, and the sidebar has a copy of it that stays until you click on it.
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@Tsaukpaetra oh bummer, I thought they finally added a non hacky way to get that working
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@FrostCat what's the deal with that notepad icon?
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra oh bummer, I thought they finally added a non hacky way to get that working
Maybe they have, but I won't know it because I don't get
developmentFast Ring builds of the software...
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
oh bummer, I thought they finally added a non hacky way to get that working
They did. Insider Preview:
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat what's the deal with that notepad icon?
It's the standard thing that happens when you open certain built-in apps like notepad and click "Help -> About".
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
what's the deal with that notepad icon?
I'm not sure what "the deal" is. That's what it looks like currently.
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@FrostCat never mind, I thought you hit super+ f1 to get that dialogue or whatever it is now
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@bb36e Ah. No, just Help|About. That's why it says "About Notepad" compared to the screenie above it.
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat never mind, I thought you hit super+ f1 to get that dialogue or whatever it is now
I hit that and this happened:
Apparently Windows can't help itself anymore...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
this
Huh. I just noticed I really need to clean up my bookmark bar...
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@Tsaukpaetra on my system it searches that on bing.
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
super
No super key on my keyboard. I've got a couple of Alts and a , though.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No super key on my keyboard
Well aren't you special!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Right click the Clock, which shows a special version of the normal context menu:
Click Customize notification icons:Aha! That's what I knew I'd seen before but couldn't find again. But it still opens the same Settings window that doesn't (seem to) have the option I was trying to find (that I remember from older versions of Windows but doesn't seem to exist in Win10).
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Find your disappearing icon, and flip the switch to "On":
If I could identify a switch that seems to apply to that icon, I would.
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
But only if it's still there!
Since I almost always "Snooze and remind me again in 4 hours", it is.
I also just noticed something that may be biting some people in the ass. The "Cancel" button does not mean "fuck off and let me get back to work;" The following could easily mean "surprise me some time in the future by rebooting without warning."
Or, you can click Cancel to restart your computer later without receiving reminders.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
the sidebar has a copy of it
And as I've said before, my sidebar never has anything except notifications for email that I've usually already read. Completely worthless.