Say what you will about Babymetal, but...
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
I am not sure why you are being so confrontational?
I'm not, I'm honestly confused as to what the hell do you mean. It sounds like... every single chorus ever, I can't hear a damn thing "rising" or "soaring" in the vocals.
I suppose music is subjective, but it's hard to have a meaningful discussion without actually defining the terms we're using.
Fine, I will take you at your word and try one more time with the music from YUI below.
(actual song starts at 03:01, rest is just a warm up)
03:34 vocals starting to rise
03:47-04:10 soaring vocals
04:10-04:14 soaring vocals + held high note
04:14-04:32 soaring continues with a dip back down
04:58 vocals starting to rise again
05:14 vocals soaring starts
05:22-05:26 vocals soaring + held high note
...etc. etc.
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
and try one more time
All I hear is that she goes from subdued verses to a grand bridge/chorus thing, and moves up the scale. And I guess pulls the last note in a passage up? Is that it?
I have a hard time believing you can't find it in Western music, since it's all over the place. Adele does that in pretty much every song, for example.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
and try one more time
All I hear is that she goes from subdued verses to a grand bridge/chorus thing, and moves up the scale. And I guess pulls the last note in a passage up? Is that it?
I have a hard time believing you can't find it in Western music, since it's all over the place. Adele does that in pretty much every song, for example.
Adele DOES do that, but she doesn't meet the rest of my criteria: fast & rock.
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
soaring vocals
I'm with stupid
I was listening out for soaring but heard only insipid. I think Canada wins this round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0OX_8YvFxA
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@flabdablet
tributeTHIS is a tribute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_gREw_7xIQ
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
That it?
Yes, Garbage is on my shortlist of English groups that can do it. Not all their songs, obviously, but they can do it.
That particular song though, no, it doesn't meet all the criteria. It isn't fast enough, and it doesn't build with a rise to soaring vocals, it uses harmony and low level rhythm instead. Not that those are bad, just not what my favorite type of song is made up of.
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@flabdablet said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
soaring vocals
I'm with stupid
I was listening out for soaring but heard only insipid. I think Canada wins this round.
What? I thought we were posting silly things o_0
Tenacious D fits that bill.
As for Heart's Barracuda, it is a nice song, I've heard it before. But it doesn't fit my criteria
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@Vaire because the sole fact of being mainstream and mainstream popular doesn't show ability and quality. You're mixing different ideas. Eg. Beatles were great, Oasis not so much.
Let's take a look at it from the other side: being popular (in top 40) doesn't mean it's good. It also doesn't mean that it's automatically bad, but let's be honest: it has to be catered to everyone so it probably is bland, like a bad beer.
I've nothing against mainstream per se but I think that life too short not to listen to something that's special to you.
2066 & then anyone?
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@flabdablet +1 for Brian. I hate it that his collaboration with Byrne is not available on Spotify. :(
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@Vaire there's no such thing as "the indie scene", I don't know how that would work. There's just stuff that's not marketed as much, or that isn't created for the sole goal of making money with it by record companies. Is that indie? Fuck this shit, is everything not made by Disney indie?
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Weng said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire Nightwish. Do it. Gateway drug!
All riiiiiiiiiiight, I'll check them out, but they better be indie as FUCK!
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@kt_ said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
Fun fact, this precise video got me into Nightwish for quite a while.
Linked to from this Polish classic:
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
That particular song though, no, it doesn't meet all the criteria.
Jeesh, you really have some very specific criteria. It's like only liking movies which have a blonde female main character wielding a six-chamber revolver.
Last try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnwABVxcl3s
Female, rock-ish, drives the truck for what it's worth. Word of warning, though, the band normally does what you'd call "boring shit".
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@kt_ said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
I hate it that his collaboration with Byrne is not available on Spotify.
Thought Talking Heads weren't there at all, but I guess they did include it eventually. No King Crimson though, and a lot of things I listen to are not there.
@kt_ said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
there's no such thing as "the indie scene", I don't know how that would work.
Isn't "indie" more like a genre now? Kinda sorta the stuff we used to call "pop-rock" when we weren't old farts?
@kt_ said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
2066 & then anyone?
Eerily familiar sound for a band I've never heard of. Wonder if they took a page from ELP's book, or the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKNOlDtZluU
If you told me Keith Emerson wrote the part from 1:44 onwards, I wouldn't even question it.
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@kt_ said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire because the sole fact of being mainstream and mainstream popular doesn't show ability and quality. You're mixing different ideas. Eg. Beatles were great, Oasis not so much.
Let's take a look at it from the other side: being popular (in top 40) doesn't mean it's good. It also doesn't mean that it's automatically bad, but let's be honest: it has to be catered to everyone so it probably is bland, like a bad beer.
I've nothing against mainstream per se but I think that life too short not to listen to something that's special to you.
2066 & then anyone?
It took me a moment to realize you were replying to something I posted a while ago, but all right, I'll bite.
You are correct, being mainstream and/or popular does not mean quality (ability is a different story, clearly they have SOME ability to get there).
I agree with you, popular doesn't mean good. But in reverse, unpopular/indie ALSO doesn't mean good. And, of course, "good" is a subjective term.
I give indie a go every now and then. Occasionally I find stuff I like, but not enough of it to justify me digging into it. ^_-
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
That particular song though, no, it doesn't meet all the criteria.
Jeesh, you really have some very specific criteria. It's like only liking movies which have a blonde female main character wielding a six-chamber revolver.
Last try:
Female, rock-ish, drives the truck for what it's worth. Word of warning, though, the band normally does what you'd call "boring shit".
I never claimed what I was looking for as my favorite type of music wasn't difficult to find. THAT is one of the main reasons I spend so much time paying attention to Japanese music. They make a LOT more of it than English speaking musicians do.
And yes, Archive's Hatchet mostly fits all my criteria. It is a little slower than I normally would look for, but it wasn't bad. ;)
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
I never claimed what I was looking for as my favorite type of music wasn't difficult to find.
It isn't, you're pretty much naming musical cliches. Having stronger, higher vocals in the chorus isn't even a pop cliche at this point - it's how choruses work.
I guess I just don't remember too many good pop-rock bands, female fronted in particular.
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@Maciejasjmj True, but they're
bsoaring clichΓ©s.
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@Vaire Yui is kind of a special case anyway.
I'll take another shot:
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I really don't know why you're bothering. @Vaire has decided he likes chips, and so not only will he only ever eat chips, but also, rather than deciding if a particular chip is good based on its taste, decides on good chipness based on its size, shape, type of potato used, and the chef's mother's hair colour.
Musical taste is subjective, obviously, but to restrict oneself to such a tight set of criteria in order to avoid listening to something you don't know you'll like in advance seems utterly idiotic.
Here's some K Frimpong which fits none of @Vaire's chipness criteria, but bears listening to anyway.
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@tufty said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire has decided he likes chips
Seems to me that it's not so much chips as mass-produced "food" from chain "restaurants".
I mean, I could dig into the indie food scene, but then I might risk eating something that doesn't taste like a Big Mac.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
and they showed me stuff that was BORING AS FUCK
you nail-on-a-chalkboard listening masochist.
..said the kettle
@Weng said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
fuck, avril lavigne->evanescense->Nightwish is practically speaking, a gateway to an entire world of badassery.
Seeing Avril Lavigne and Nightwish in the same sentence just makes me cringe.
More news: Floor Jansen leaves Nightwish to restart After Forever. Nightwish announces replacement singer Avril Lavigne to join them on tour immediately.
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
I don't even know what UMG IS
Universal Music Group. From Wikipedia:
Universal Music Group, Inc. (also known as UMG Recordings, Inc. and abbreviated as UMG) is an American-French worldwide music corporation that operates as a subsidiary of Paris-based French media conglomerate Vivendi. It is the largest music corporation in the world.[1] UMG also owns Universal Music Publishing Group, which is cited as the second largest music publishing company in the world.
You can check here for a list of related artists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_artists
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@Maciejasjmj said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
Ever wrote an application that did something genius, groundbreaking and clever, only to have someone see it and say "yeah, but does it have any cool Javascript shit? No? Well, it just sucks then"?
That's kinda the same feeling.Ever seen a piece of art claimed as genius that was totally uninspiring and unimpressive? Even if you know the artist had a lot of technical skill?
That's kinda the same feeling.
NB: like @Vaire, I believe de gustibus non est disputandum. But on the flip side, you're not gonna convince someone who thinks a particular food tastes like crap that it's genius just because you think it is, or even if there's popular acclaim that it (or at least the chef) is.
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@Magus said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire Yui is kind of a special case anyway.
I'll take another shot:
Perfect. Grabbing it from Amazon now!
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@Vaire the best part was the irony of the song's name at that time. But yeah, that album is cool.
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@Vaire said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Magus said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
@Vaire Yui is kind of a special case anyway.
I'll take another shot:
Perfect. Grabbing it from Amazon now!
γγγγ¨γγγγγΎγγγγγ°γΉγγοΌγm(_ _)mYou'll probably like a few things from Within Temptation, although you'll have to pay attention to when it's from (@Magus is alluding, IIRC, to their major style change-over at the time - a "Shot in the Dark"). This is from their most recent album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6MpsDPKts
Might be a bit slow for your tastes, but otherwise it fits?
Also, for narrowing in on the "soaring/holding" thing (that part of the criteria seems to be giving everyone the most trouble), what about Dami Im's song from the Eurovision contest?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EG_Jtw4OyU
I know I have some songs that do actually match what you want, but the ones I most easily remember tend to fall short on either your speed or rock requirement.
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@Dreikin said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
Ever seen a piece of art claimed as genius that was totally uninspiring and unimpressive? Even if you know the artist had a lot of technical skill?
That's kinda the same feeling.No, I get it, it's fine not to like something others like. I mean, aside from obviously being an unwashed Billboard peasant who wouldn't know good music from their neighbours using a power drill... but it's fine. There's a lot of songs, or even genres, where the piece is objectively impressive and innovative, but doesn't click with me.
But in this case - dismissing any song just because it's instrumental, or praising it just because it contains a cliched chorus - well, let me be generous and say it's a very weird approach to music. As I've said before, it's like enjoying or not enjoying a movie just based on the hair color of the main character.
"Sure, it's a Seltzer/Friedberg acid trip of a movie, but the lead is blonde. 10/10, favorite movie".
"Yeah, it has clever writing, wonderful characterization, and gripping atmosphere, but Zooey Deschanel is a brunette and that just will not do. 1/10, avoid."
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How about:
Delain - Stardust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubi1m5pR3hMDelain - Suckerpunch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmo06CrXP4MThe Vincent Black Shadow - Metro (try "Control" and "Dig Dig Dig" if this doesn't cut it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfsWy1MmicIOh hell, I'll include Control anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UtS9wtqf0Dark Sarah - Memories Fall (give it a chance to get to the chorus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oP8wOi0ZZIBit of variety: The Creepshow - The Devil's Son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwEgUKMRX5wAmberian Dawn - The Court of Mirror Hall (I'm pretty sure one of their songs will catch your interest, so if this one doesn't don't be surprised to see them again).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYxw1bI6rnYLyriel - Numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAwV41NufELyriel - Leverage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFiNDuoyQVkNemesea - Afterlife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdJDFFCc1QAncient Bards - The Birth of Evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpvLMyC4a8oBeyond the Black - Lost in Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR3BBPvLZHUEluveitie - The Call of the Mountains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2m-TeLi6IUnleash the Archers - Test Your Metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yctXV3uHBsAfter Forever - Energize Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm4BrNAf6sIn This Moment - Beautiful Tragedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WwRb6flzHI...and that's where I'm stopping for now. I expect many of these will fall short in one way or another (and some altogether), but that'll give me/us info on which ways to go. Also, since you like the Lzzy Hale/Lindsey Stirling song, have you tried out Halestorm? How about Florence + the Machine? May not be rock enough for you, but you may like her style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQZhN65vq9E
(Sorry that's so long...)
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@Dreikin said in Say what you will about Babymetal, but...:
Ever seen a piece of art claimed as genius that was totally uninspiring and unimpressive? Even if you know the artist had a lot of technical skill?
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