Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems
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@Kuro said:
@blakeyrat Sadly not at the current moment.
Maybe if they'd spend 57 milliseconds researching other systems, they'd realize: hey! You're not supposed to give notifications that aren't actionable! Those are just spammy wastes of the user's time.
But nope. Open source.
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@RaceProUK said:
@aliceif said:
No, nodeBB's usability is shit.
Agreed.
Discourse was about as stable as a grenade with the pin pulled, but at least 90% of its UI was easy to figure out; with NodeBB, the stability is seemingly unbreakable, but the UX is in the sewers.
QFFT
It's not unfixable (unlike Discohorse), but it still needs a lot of fixing.
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And since we chose NodeBB because it's more mature than Flarum, I'm glad I never used Flarum.
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@blakeyrat I'd think for likes/upvotes, they should do it like Facebook does: don't notify on the first one (like discourse) or every one (like ) but only when it gets enough upvotes to be unusual for your posts. Facebook then goes "This post is doing really well! Do you want to pay some money to spread it around more?" which is an easily actionable item. A forum should say something like "This post is doing well, you should post more things like that!"
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Now that I care to see them at all, but when I click a "blah has upvoted your post" notification, it goes to a post that:
- Usually isn't even mine
- Hasn't been upvoted
It's just utterly random as far as I can tell.
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@blakeyrat Well, for what it's worth this is pretty bad, even for the little bit I use the site
Also, apparently if you use chrome and have resized the reply window so you can see the bottom of the box and then you pull that tab free to be it's own, smaller window it does NOT keep the resized box and goes back to having part of the bottom off the end of the window.
So there's that.
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@Yamikuronue I still don't care about likes, but at least that system has some rationality to it.
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And at least the devs seem to be willing to fix stuff and capable of doing so.
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@blakeyrat It just sucks at viewport calculations, i think.
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@HardwareGeek I hope they start fixing things soon. Because the forum is nearly unusable right now with all the notifications and no way to filter the unread list.
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@aliceif That's also known has "broken". As in, "this product is broken". "This user experience is broken". "A first year CS student would get a D if he turned in a product this broken".
EDIT: it just occurs to me that I bet like 90% of these issues are because I have my browser zoom permanently set to 125% on this domain, and they probably never gave enough of a shit to test with browser zoom on. Because why would they give a shit? They're open source developers!
That would explain why it thinks 1000+ pixels is actually 980 pixels (or whatever those numbers were).
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@blakeyrat
I agree. But I meant to say that everything that is supposed to navigate to a post is broken - not just upvotes, but also going to last unread and other things.
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@blakeyrat Oh! I bet that's right, because I zoomed in as soon as I saw the tiny text and sea of whitespace, and I'm having the same issues with it not taking me to my post.
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@aliceif If it's broken, why are we-- the users-- using it? Shouldn't someone have said, "hey, let's maybe not ship this product until it's no longer broken? Guys?"
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- because everybody wanted to get off Discourse
- because nobody listened to us
- because we have hope this will be fixed quickly and simply states a quirky start
Filed Under: So... as usual
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@blakeyrat said:
@aliceif If it's broken, why are we-- the users-- using it? Shouldn't somehow have said, "hey, let's maybe not ship this product until it's no longer broken? Guys?"
How long has the test forum been up again?
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@PleegWat said:
@blakeyrat said:
@aliceif If it's broken, why are we-- the users-- using it? Shouldn't somehow have said, "hey, let's maybe not ship this product until it's no longer broken? Guys?"
How long has the test forum been up again?
Some of us voiced concerns.
Like @Kuro.
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@PleegWat I don't know. I didn't use it. Last time I was asked my opinion on forum software, it was completely ignored. Why would I think it would be any different this time? I mean stimulus-response. This forum community has already trained me to think my opinion on software is worthless.
That doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in how awful it actually it. Because the people who did use it didn't say anything (at least not on Discourse) about these obvious issues.
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I'm... underwhelmed, I guess.
I didn't use it during the test phase - lack of time and energy rather lack of desire - but I'm underwhelmed by this UX. I'll try it out and see how I feel - but so far I'm confused by trying to find my profile settings, uninspired by the insipid theme, somehow it feels even more bland than Discourse, and the chats dropdown says
chat.mark_all_read
so within a few minutes I found my first bug - and I haven't even tried to find problems yet :(
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Okay, so I turned off infiniscroll because at last we can. And now I'm seeing pages with all the misfeatures that make infiniscroll so enraging - jerky, janky scrolling with severe lags and weird thumb behavior - without its only good point (ability to scroll through a whole thread).
If it turns out that paging on nodebb is just infiniscroll with arbitrary interruptions, I am going to be pissed.
And why TF am I unable to set a page size different from 20?
Fucking bullshit hipster whitespace bulletin boards.
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Well we all knew going in that:
- It's open source
- It's built by the kind of people who think Markdown is a good idea
So I really hope you're not too disappointed, otherwise you need to ratchet down your expectations of open source quality quite a bit.
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@Yamikuronue said:
@blakeyrat Oh! I bet that's right, because I zoomed in as soon as I saw the tiny text and sea of whitespace, and I'm having the same issues with it not taking me to my post.
I am at default zoom, and I often end up close to but not quite at the target post.
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And I still like it better than
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@Yamikuronue said:
That's how just about everything Responsive works these days. If your screen is small, you must be on a phone.
Everything is a phone.
Everything.
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@blakeyrat said:
NodeBB is perfect, there are absolutely no flaws, Blakeyrat is just a super mental idiot moron dumbshit for not instantly getting it or telepathically knowing that the window size dictates whether or not you get a full-screen editor.
How did you think responsive designs worked? Magic?
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@Polygeekery said:
@blakeyrat said:
NodeBB is perfect, there are absolutely no flaws, Blakeyrat is just a super mental idiot moron dumbshit for not instantly getting it or telepathically knowing that the window size dictates whether or not you get a full-screen editor.
How did you think responsive designs worked? Magic?
How do you think responsive designs should work?
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@tufty said:
@Polygeekery said:
How did you think responsive designs worked?
badly?
Judging by my compose window....yes.
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This is a lie.
There are like 3 posts of mine in "topic owners shouldn't be able" before the post in "subscribe watch ignore unsubscribe".
Now maybe the header is supposed to say, "topics Blakeyrat recently posted in" or something. But as-is, it's clearly wrong.
I don't expect a lot from my software (as years of using shitty ass programs like Discourse and... hm! NodeBB have trained me), but I do expect the software to not lie to me.
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@blakeyrat the header says Posts made by blakeyrat and all of those items appear to be posts made by blakeyrat.
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@ben_lubar Oh come on, don't serve me diarrhea and call it chocolate ice cream.
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If you open a thread with a notification box thingy up, the "click here to go to the first unread post" notification box appears above it. Then when the other notification thingy disappears, it moves out from under the mouse.
Because we've made every fucking basic elementary UI mistake in this crappy product, why not add "moving UI elements out from beneath the mouse cursor" to the list? You need to check off all the boxes.
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The "go to your unread post" notifcation thingy disappears randomly for no reason I could determine-- at least I thought so.
I think it has two problems:
- It's on a very short timer for some inexplicable reason
- If you even think about accidentally touching any widget or hardware device having anything to do with scrolling the webpage, it disappears instantly
I would LOVE to see a justification of this decision. Because WHAT THE FUCK!?
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@blakeyrat said:
The "go to your unread post" notifcation thingy disappears randomly
Sometimes it seems not to appear in the first place.
@blakeyrat said:
for no reason I could determine
This.
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@HardwareGeek said:
Sometimes it seems not to appear in the first place.
Well maybe.
I think that's due to me accidentally having 2 or 3 neurons thinking about making putting my hand within a foot of the scrollwheel on my mouse. Because seriously, ANYTHING that can scroll a webpage, if you tap it as lightly as possible, BAM the thing is gone forever. FOREVER. Have fun scrolling down 500 posts manually! You fucking user!
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@blakeyrat said:
Because seriously, ANYTHING that can scroll a webpage, if you tap it as lightly as possible, BAM the thing is gone forever.
That's so responsive!
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@blakeyrat said:
BAM the thing is gone forever. FOREVER.
F5 brings it back. Usually. The bigger problem, for me, is that it's aim is off when it shoots me to the target post.
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Any use of the "Topic Tools" menu bumps you up to the top of a thread for absolutely no reason my rational mind can imagine.
Additional bonus: it disables the Reply button at the bottom of the topic until you do a hard refresh.
Selecting "delete posts" bitches at me that I have no posts selected, but there appears to be no way to actually select them. Clicking the avatar image, like you do in the unread list, doesn't do it.
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@blakeyrat HOLY SHIT it lets you select OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS when you're in the "delete posts" mode. WTF!
Does it actually work? I'm not going to delete someone's post to try, since I'm sure there's no undo. Because open source.
EDIT: nevermind, that's what this thread: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/topic/19267/topic-owners-shouldn-t-be-able-to-delete-others-posts is about, it didn't sink in until I tried it myself I guess.
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How do I change my avatar? There's no settings page?
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Group membership in profile pages is "hidden" by simply setting the link to to display: none. Effective security, assuming that even is a security measure.
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@blakeyrat said:
How do I change my avatar? There's no settings page?
There are two settings pages:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/user/blakeyrat/edit <= this one has the "Change Picture" button
https://what.thedailywtf.com/user/blakeyrat/settings
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Jesus, I've been jelly potatoed like 8 times just reading this thread.
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@aliceif said:
@blakeyrat said:
I WANT TO TYPE A FUCKING B FOLLOWED BY A PAREN YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
And for one moment, I thought you were trying to be cool.
That's not true, and...
*puts on sunglasses*
I'm not on mobile.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAH!....
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@blakeyrat said:
When in threads, the name of the thread is literally nowhere (except the URL, if you count that).
This is my biggest visual gripe so far.
That top bar is too busy. Since they already decided to stuff the pager in there, they needed to make some cuts to the rest of the content.
IMO once you scroll away from the top of page, all these little icons should compress into a single hamburger menu. The top bar should be forum logo, topic title, pager and notification widgets. Everything else should be in the hamburger menu.
@blakeyrat @Matches resize your browser to at least 992 pixels wide.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME. YOU HAVEN'T FILED A BUG OVER THIS YET?!
That's not a bug, it's just standard responsive design. And I agree with it. It makes sense to mutate the layout based on your document size, not the device. Browser and device sniffing is what was done before and it sucked. Frontend development is trying to get away from that.
That said, your experience definitely sucked and they need to work at making this mobile layout more usable.
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@blakeyrat said:
@aliceif If it's broken, why are we-- the users-- using it? Shouldn't someone have said, "hey, let's maybe not ship this product until it's no longer broken? Guys?"
Where were you when we were looking for a forum use instead of discourse?
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@boomzilla I dont remember when, but @pjh said it would be nodebb long ago.
But I too expected less complains that what we have here, all comments seemed pretty happy with the nodebb choice.
I think it will get better when I set it to paging, but that requires turning my laptop on, because why would you want to change settings on mobile?
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@fbmac said:
@boomzilla I dont remember when, but @pjh said it would be nodebb long ago.
I'd be interested in when I did say that... I certainly didn't have any sort of carrying vote on what would be used instead of DC.
Expressing an opinion of "if we do move then NodeBB is probably the best candidate" is probably the closest I did get to that.