:wtf: How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread)
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!unimportant
Every line is important but some are less important than others. Everything without an !unimportant declaration is made !important by More, ensuring nothing is unintentionally overridden by pesky specific styles.
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It's compiled before it gets to the client, thus, pre-compiled.
Compiling it afterwards would be post-compiled, and that would be a level of uselessness not usually attained even by the devs.
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It's compiled before it gets to the client, thus, pre-compiled.
Is that not just compiled?
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@loopback0 said:
You'll need to be on latest before this can be considered a b
I hate to say it but there's nothing unusual with saying that.
I'm not saying he's right, mind, just that it's a common mindset--I'm almost positive JWZ mentions it in his CADT rant.
Oh I know. It's more how he said it."You'll need to be on latest before this can be considered a bug. Does it repro on latest?"
vs
"We might have fixed that in a later version, does it repro on latest?"
or
"Oh that bug, yeah we fixed that in a later version, upgrade to latest and try again"
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Damn. For a minute, you lead me to believe that I finally found TR .
With , there is no TR , it's just all the way down...
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I think I just found the problem with :
Rails took me about a year of full time work before I could reliably fix bugs in a 1-day timeframe. Before that there were frequent unpredictable week-long goose chases through the Rails stack... usually just to learn I was Doing It Wrong and there was some convention you just really can't break without everything falling apart.
I had the same experience with Ember.js, another convention-over-configuration framework. A year of full time development before I could bang stuff out without being afraid I'd get totally lost and have a feature balloon up from two days to a month. And this is with a computer science degree and 10 years of web development experience.
Well, that and this:
The boot process hooks up a lot of things without your knowledge. It's an unbounded mass of side-effects that are caused by your code that you have zero path to understand or debug, other than pouring over docs and StackOverflow questions until you understand Rails architecture deeply enough to form a hypothesis about what part of your code might be implicated in the behavior of your app.
DSLs and meta-programming are not what people are talking about when they talk about "magic". They're talking about side effects.
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>DSLs and meta-programming are not what people are talking about when they talk about "magic". They're talking about side effects.
Rails and Ember are almost nothing except ο side effects. uses them magically.
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Ultimately, because anything drenched in this is better:
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Ultimately, because anything drenched in this is better:
I think I'll save that for drenching the inside of a nice glass, followed by the inside of a programmerβ¦
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[quote=codinghorror]
I've always estimated that engineers cost $10,000 per person per month
[/quote]Because why would you do it anywhere but in one of the most expensive countries in the world. I cost around US$ 2000 for my company, as a senior dev, and half of that is for taxes.
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Because why would you do it anywhere but in one of the most expensive countries in the world.
Not just that, he's talking about one of the most expensive areas of one of the most expensive countries in the world.
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If $10k/person/month gets him that lot, he needs to get his money back.
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>DSLs and meta-programming are not what people are talking about when they talk about "magic". They're talking about side effects.
:shudder:
Magical side effects are kind of cool when you're playing around and first learning about something. But they're guaranteed to bite you in the ass eventually.
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Not just that, he's talking about one of the most expensive areas of one of the most expensive countries in the world.
$10,000/month = $120,000 pre-tax. Say 30% of that is going to taxes and benefits (probably way low), which comes to a take-home of approximately $80,000. That sounds like a reasonable number in most places in the US. It'd actually be low in New York City and Bay Area.
I mean not to defend that idiot but. I think the detail you missed is he's talking about the cost to the business owner, not the take-home pay of the employee.
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If $10k/person/month gets him that lot, he needs to get his money back.
If he's hiring here (Bay area), then he obviously got what he paid for. If an employer offered me 10K/month (to me, not the employers cost), I'd laugh in their face and walk out. That would just be insulting.
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If Jeff pays more than the cost of a Mars bar each month including his own wages, he's paid too much for what he's got.
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Recently in Bikeshedland...
You just can't start a line with it because of an *unsolveable* bug. https://meta.discourse.org/t/mentioning-categories-instead-of-groups/14697/35?u=eviltrout
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Also, earlier in that thread, the discussion on how to handle category routing by ID in the slug so links don't squish as easily...
Because clearly having your parser set up to handle
http://foo.bar/c/:id/:category[/:sub_category]
is way too hard compared to@tgxworld said:
#howto
--->meta.discourse.org/c/4-howto
#tips-and-tricks
--->meta.discourse.org/c/how-to/tips-and-tricks/5
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Even more comedy gold!
Though I guess riking beat me to calling that one out. reading posting
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That Will probably work really Well with this category title (hash colon)
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If Jeff pays more than the cost of a Mars bar each month including his own wages, he's paid too much for what he's got.
Hey, what have you got against Mars bars to insult and devalue them as such?
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until we move to the new CommonMark engine.
So this is the-- what-- fourth markdown engine they'll be switching to (eventually). Not sure if they've ever actually switched, or just keep talking about switching to different ones.
In either case, I'm sure this plan will work a charm.
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In fact, yes, I distinctly remember response to a bug I filed being "editor rewrite lol". It was for a very particular**emphasized text wysiwyg bug in fact...
From September
the fifteenthat some point in the month who knows lol 2015
https://meta.discourse.org/t/wysiwyg-keyboard-shortcuts-dont-close-formatting-as-expected/33230/3?u=lorne_katesSo since I was there, I decided to do some QA:
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Your post's still up after three whole minutes!
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Your post's still up after three whole minutes!
I'd post the link to Sam's reply, but I think a screenshot will provide a much more fun game of "try to spot all the s"
Hint: I'm scrolled down all the way to the bottom of the page.
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Also, on meta.derp, I just earned the "First Like" badge for the fourth time (last two pictured below). Since I like the post of an Anointed One-- whose posts don't get mysteriously Jeffed-- maybe I'll actually be able to keep the badge this time.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
@loopback0 said:
If Jeff pays more than the cost of a Mars bar each month including his own wages, he's paid too much for what he's got.
Hey, what have you got against Mars bars to insult and devalue them as such?
I wonder if giving codinghorror Snickers might help ...
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hmm.... anyone want to bet if this fix (originally requested by @boomzilla) is buggy?
https://meta.discourse.org/t/badge-notification-link-targets/19723/8?u=accalia
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hmm.... anyone want to bet if this fix (originally requested by @boomzilla) is buggy?
https://meta.discourse.org/t/badge-notification-link-targets/19723/8?u=accalia
Sure, I'll take your money.
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Sure, I'll take your money.
you misunderstand me. i was offering to act as bookie, which means i can't bet as that would be a conflict of interest
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Doesn't mean @Mikael_Svahnberg can't take your money.
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Doesn't mean @Mikael_Svahnberg can't take your money.
well at this point i have insufficient bets to run the book so i'm afraid i shall have to refund his stake if i don't get any more bets.
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I didn't say I was going to invest any money of my own, did I? I just said that I am willing to help you lighten your purse.
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I didn't say I was going to invest any money of my own, did I?
ah. one of those people.
If you're not going to risk your own monies on this.... well i have just one thing to say to you: BEGONE WITH THEE, THOU MONIE GRUBBIN WENCH THAT YOU ARE!
:-P
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Great. Would you mind tossing some olives, tomatoes, feta cheese, and an avocado hither too?
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Would you mind tossing some olives, tomatoes, feta cheese, and an avocado hither too?
sure, that will be nine pound three and seven if you don't mind.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I just earned the "First Like"
Do you get that for liking or getting a post liked? The latter, right? I CBA to look it up. If so, just--painful as it is--make one post that's non-confrontational, say, agreeing with another bug report. Or make a bugrep that's not trolling . That's how I got mine.
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@accalia said:
nine pound three and seven
nine pound what now?
Nine pounds three shillings and seven pence.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I just earned the "First Like"
Do you get that for liking or getting a post liked? The latter, right? I CBA to look it up. If so, just--painful as it is--make one post that's non-confrontational, say, agreeing with another bug report. Or make a bugrep that's not trolling . That's how I got mine.
You get it for giving your first like. In the past, I've liked WTF members replies to and . Those replies quickly get jeff'd or starholed. So I get the badge over and over again.
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@accalia said:
Nine pounds three shillings and seven pence.
Which is about 112 SEK.
How much BUTT SEK is that?
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Yeah... I've got it twice over there despite never making a single post on that account.
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In other news...
As this does not happen on Safari/iOS or Chrome/Android this is by definition a Friefox for Android bug. Markup is identical in all 3 cases.
Good one Jeff. You have a fucking collection of hacks which work around things that are only broken on iOS but won't even take a look at one with Firefox for Android.
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https://meta.discourse.org/t/scrolling-issue-in-chrome/38215
When opening a thread, instead of viewing the last unread post, it appears to open at random posts and then begins to scroll back until it eventually reaches the very beginning of the thread, even if this goes back days / weeks / months
Hmm, have seen no other reports of this.O RLY Jeff? Do you mean you've seen no other reports of this since you banned the QA department? Or maybe you've seen no other reports which haven't been deleted/hidden?
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open at random posts and then begins to scroll back
I've been wondering why their other users aren't beating their doors down with torches and pitchforks over this. Surely we can't be the only ones that experience this.