If Windows is Updated, Only Windows Users Will Have Updated Windows
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Having said that, a lot of people--including two here right in this thread--are saying things that are close to "I can't personally see any way this is better for me so it's obviously useless for everyone".
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IT IS DIFFERENT AND I DONT LIKE CHANGE SO I WILL NOT SEE IF THE CHANGE IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
I see it more as people seeing it as being change for change's sake. At least in the case of Win8/8.1. It is a wank feature, unless you are on a tablet.
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How many Windows users have used a Mac? How many Windows users have used a Mac in the last 5 years?
Probably more than you think. We recently setup a remote worker solution for a client and high up on the list of requirements were that it had to work from Mac and iOS. Not having that would have been a deal breaker for them.
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It was faster
Not noticeably enough for me.
had more features.
None that appealed to me.
It's easier for me to get to things by searching in 8 than in 7
I can do that in 7 just as well as in 8.
never had these "OMG UNUSUABLE DIE IN A FIRE!" moments everyone keeps telling me about.
Never said it was unusable, just that it didn't fit my preferences. I found 8.1 to be more tolerable, but there was no compelling reason to switch from 7.
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@abarker said:
sigh
I was looking for something a bit more descriptive, as "three finger swipe" is a touch gesture.
Three finger swipe on the touchpad. Probably my second most used gesture. #1 would probably be 2 finger swipe left or right in a browser goes forward and back.
And what is the shortcut if you don't have a touchpad or said touchpad is broken?
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So? Once again, you asked for a reason, not justification. I gave you a reason. It's not my problem if you don't like it.
No, the requirement was that an average office worker would need or want it. Let me break down how that would go:
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Client: "Why should we switch to Windows 8?"
Me: "It has slightly better battery life on laptops."
Client: "Why should I give a shit? We all run desktops."#2
Client: "Why should we switch to Windows 8?"
Me: "It has slightly better battery life on laptops."
Client: "Why should I give a shit? Those who do have laptops always have them plugged in. Do you think we are European bastards who travel by train a lot? That is no reason for everyone to have to relearn things and be annoyed."
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And what is the shortcut if you don't have a touchpad or said touchpad is broken?
I suppose you buy a new laptop, because laptops are pretty shit without a touchpad.
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I suppose you buy a new laptop, because laptops are pretty shit without a touch
padscreen.FTFY
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And what is the shortcut if you don't have a touchpad or said touchpad is broken?
Also, my gripe with Windows virtual desktops is that I am entirely unable to switch between them when running full screen RDP. I get and understand why that is, and if I had not used a Mac before Win10 I might not see why that is a big deal. But I have, and therefore the MS implementation seems clunky and annoying.
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@abarker said:
And what is the shortcut if you don't have a touchpad or said touchpad is broken?
I suppose you buy a new laptop, because laptops are pretty shit without a touchpad.
What about a Mac desktop? Not all Macs are laptops, after all.
Also, my gripe with Windows virtual desktops is that I am entirely unable to switch between them when running full screen RDP. I get and understand why that is, and if I had not used a Mac before Win10 I might not see why that is a big deal. But I have, and therefore the MS implementation seems clunky and annoying.
I'm just trying to determine if your "works on Mac" only works in one given scenario: with a touchpad.
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FTFY
No, I hate touchscreens on laptops or desktops. I don't like smudges on my screen, and why should I move my hands that far from the keyboard?
Touchscreens on laptops are another wank feature.
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@abarker said:
What about a Mac desktop? Not all Macs are laptops, after all.
Still works fine.
Why are you avoiding my question so much? I just want to know, how the hell do you switch virtual desktops on a Mac when you are in an RDP session and you have no touch interface to use the three finger swype? What do you do then? Or are you stuck with same issue that you are complaining about on Windows 10?
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Why are you avoiding my question so much?
I am not avoiding it. The question you are answering is preposterous. It is like asking, "How do you open a beer if you are just a torso?"
I just want to know, how the hell do you switch virtual desktops on a Mac when you are in an RDP session and you have no touch interface to use the three finger swype? What do you do then?
NFC. I have not had a Mac that long, and I discovered that gesture by accident and kept with it as it is so easy.
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Hit F3 and then click the desktop you want. Also not going to work in full screen RDP.
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Want to know something else that annoys me about full screen RDP and the rubbish interface on Win8/8.1/Server2012/R2? The other night I rebooted my fucking desktop instead of the server that I was working on because I used that stupid little feature where you hover in the corner (but not too far, if you run multiple monitors, fucking rubbish).
I am glad all of that crap is gone.
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and you have no touch interface to use the three finger swype?
Ctrl + Left or Ctrl + Right, depending on which direction the desktop you want is.
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Ctrl + Left or Ctrl + Right, depending on which direction the desktop you want is.
Also, not going to work on Windows RDP on full screen.
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No, but the shortcut is for OSX and works with the OSX RDP client in full screen?
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@abarker said:
Why are you avoiding my question so much?
I am not avoiding it. The question you are answering is preposterous. It is like asking, "How do you open a beer if you are just a torso?"
The iMac doesn't come with a touchpad, neither does the iMac retina, nor the Mac Pro, and the Mac Mini doesn't either. A touch pad is an additional accessory in every case, so it is entirely feasible that you could have a Mac without a touchpad. Should that be the case, it is entirely feasible that you would want to use virtual desktops with an RDP in one. So my question is entirely valid.
"How do you open a beer if you are just a torso?"
Presenting this as an analogy is preposterous, but I've already outlined the reasons for that. Presenting this as an analogy to me is just hilarious.
Hit F3 and then click the desktop you want. Also not going to work in full screen RDP.
So no better than in Windows 10. Get off your "Mac does it better" high horse.
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@abarker said:
and you have no touch interface to use the three finger swype?
Ctrl + Left or Ctrl + Right, depending on which direction the desktop you want is.
Does it work in a fullscreen RDP? I'd wager not.
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It is a wank feature, unless you are on a tablet.
Or you like to order your programs in anything other than the Start menu-mandated alphabetical order. Me, I used the screen to pin all the things I use commonly, and then dragged them to the left of the screen so they were easy to find. Beats scrolling through the start menu, too. (Of course I prefer to just use search to find things that I don't already have pinned to taskbar or desktop)
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not useless.
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Does it work in a fullscreen RDP? I'd wager not.
Using the Microsoft RDP client it does.
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Yes, because that's the only reason. Stop being obtuse.
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@abarker said:
Does it work in a fullscreen RDP? I'd wager not.
Using the Microsoft RDP client it does.
Ok then. Glad I hadn't found a bookie yet. :P
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I am glad all of that crap is gone.
Hey, so in other words, you found a reason to upgrade to 10, all on your lonesome.
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Yes, because that's the only reason. Stop being obtuse.
It was the reason you gave...
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Hey, so in other words, you found a reason to upgrade to 10, all on your lonesome.
Or stay on 7. ;-)
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It was the reason you gave...
I'm glad that you trust me so much that you think my one reason that I bothered to come up with is all you think you need to try to convince your clients to upgrade Windows, and you won't bother to do any research of your own.
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Or stay on 7.
Sure, until they EOL it. They've already years ago ended support for non-SP1.
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I'm glad that you trust me so much that you think my one reason that I bothered to come up with is all you think you need to try to convince your clients to upgrade Windows, and you won't bother to do any research of your own.
Then what is it? A reason that your average office worker would want to change and change to that shifty UI.
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The iMac doesn't come with a touchpad, neither does the iMac retina
The Apple website lists the options for the iMac (even the base model) as coming with either the touchpad or the "magic mouse" - both of which support the gesture.
Of course, that took fucking ages to find out for sure because the Apple website seems to hide useful information unless you're actually purchasing a Mac.Ok then. Glad I hadn't found a bookie yet.
That is assuming you meant swapping between the fullscreen RDP session and another local desktop, rather than between desktops on the remote machine or something.
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Sure, until they EOL it. They've already years ago ended support for non-SP1.
SP1 is still Win7. Jesus fuck, you and @blakey would buy a box of shit with a "Genuine Windows" logo on it and harp the whole time about how it is the latest version.
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The Apple website lists the options for the iMac (even the base model) as coming with either the touchpad or the "magic mouse" - both of which support the gesture.
I looked there and didn't see it.
Of course, that took fucking ages to find out for sure because the Apple website seems to hide useful information unless you're actually purchasing a Mac.
Ah, that's why.
That is assuming you meant swapping between the fullscreen RDP session and another local desktop, rather than between desktops on the remote machine or something.
Pretty sure that's what we've been discussing.
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Beats scrolling through the start menu
what?
you don't scroll through the start menu. you open it and type the thing you're looking for.
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you don't scroll through the start menu. you open it and type the thing you're looking for.
But in 7 and 10, it doesn't take up the entire fucking screen. ;-)
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Then what is it? A reason that your average office worker would want to change and change to that shifty UI.
http://www.howtogeek.com/128123/10-awesome-improvements-for-desktop-users-in-windows-8/
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SP1 is still Win7.
Go back and re-read. Windows 7 without SP1 is out of support. How much longer do you think SP1 will be supported? Oh look, mainstream support ended 7 months ago!
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you and @blakey would buy a box of shit with a "Genuine Windows" logo on it and harp the whole time about how it is the latest version.
Number one, if it were the case, I would be merely telling the truth.
Number two, I wouldn't recommend, in the general case, office people upgrade an existing computer. But refusing to buy a new computer with 8 is just dumb. But if you like to keep investing in your buggy whip factory I won't stop you. It's still a free country, mostly.
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what?
you don't scroll through the start menu.
Most people don't seem to know that, in my experience.
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and that's why i never switched to 8.
recently i was showing something to Junior #2 and he had the full screen start menu on windows 10. he told me: "I like it more this way". that kid is weird...
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Most people hated 8/8.1. Because the UI/UX is rubbish. If it hadn't been, people would have upgraded.
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www.howtogeek.com
I can't find a single thing there that average people will give a fuck about. As a server admin, some of those are nice. But your average office worker sees them as unnecessary or will not see the benefit.
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@Polygeekery said:
Then what is it? A reason that your average office worker would want to change and change to that shifty UI.
http://www.howtogeek.com/128123/10-awesome-improvements-for-desktop-users-in-windows-8/
- Boot Speed
Most users in my company have trouble remembering to reboot their systems once a month, let alone the once a week that is in written policy. I doubt they would care about this one. Also the claimed 30 seconds is a bit of an exaggeration. My work system boots in about 20, my home in about 15. Of course, I do have pretty high end hardware. - File Copying
Again, not going to be an issue for most users in my company. File copying just isn't needed much around here because anything that needs to be shared is already stored on the NAS drives. - Improved Multi-Monitor Support
They barely use the multi-monitor setups we forced on them. Outlook sits on one monitor and they do everything else on the other monitor. The wouldn't know what to do with the other new multi-monitor features. - Task Manager
The enhanced task manager would be nice to have from a tech support stance, but most of our users don't even know how to open it. - File Explorer
We had a trial run to move to Office 2010 about 3 years ago. We're still on Office 2007. Let's just say that the changes to Windows Explorer/File Explorer wouldn't go over so well. - Storage Spaces
Nice, but again, only from a technical perspective. Doesn't make a lick of difference to a typical office drone. - Hyper V
Good for the IT team (maybe). Typical office drone won't ever know about it, much less use it. - Refresh and Reset
Good for tech support. Office drones won't care, and probably won't know. - Battery Life
Doesn't matter on a desktop. - Security
None of the stuff mentioned here will really matter to the office drones.
So, out of 10 improvements included in Windows 8 that your linked article praises, none of them would make a bit of difference to one of our office workers. None of those reasons meet the standard presented in @Polygeekery's question.
Number two, I wouldn't recommend, in the general case, office people upgrade an existing computer. But refusing to buy a new computer with 8 is just dumb. But if you like to keep investing in your buggy whip factory I won't stop you. It's still a free country, mostly.
We still purchase new workstations with Windows 7. Doesn't cost us any extra, and it ensures that we are only supporting one OS.
- Boot Speed
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Hyper VGood for the IT team (maybe). Typical office drone won't ever know about it, much less use it.
Also, Hyper-V is shit.
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only supporting one OS.
Yep. And when we have talked about upgrading to Win8 the response from most end users was that they would call dibs on the old machines to keep Win7.
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out of 10 improvements included in Windows 8 that your linked article praises, none of them would make a bit of difference to one of our office workers.
You and he keep saying "this doesn't help me so it must not be useful."
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And when we have talked about upgrading to Win8 the response from most end users was that they would call dibs on the old machines to keep Win7
Of course! Your Luddite attitude scares them off!