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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The article says he turned off the circuit breaker. Which means …
is not having an important device like this connected through a UPS (which would keep it running for a bit more time, then send SMS to some maintenance personnel who could rush in and fix the issue (or start the backup generator if it was a wider power outage)).
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The article says he turned off the circuit breaker. Which means …
is not having an important device like this connected through a UPS (which would keep it running for a bit more time, then send SMS to some maintenance personnel who could rush in and fix the issue (or start the backup generator if it was a wider power outage)).
A quick google says that the really cold freezers use 8-12 kWh per day, so a decently large bank of batteries should keep it running for a bit at least.
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The article says he turned off the circuit breaker. Which means …
is not having an important device like this connected through a UPS (which would keep it running for a bit more time, then send SMS to some maintenance personnel who could rush in and fix the issue (or start the backup generator if it was a wider power outage)).
A quick google says that the really cold freezers use 8-12 kWh per day, so a decently large bank of batteries should keep it running for a bit at least.
A backup generator auto-start then.
Or at least alarm that someone will notice any time of day. It won't thaw in half an hour, so remote monitoring could do. So is they didn't have at least that.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The article says he turned off the circuit breaker. Which means …
is not having an important device like this connected through a UPS (which would keep it running for a bit more time, then send SMS to some maintenance personnel who could rush in and fix the issue (or start the backup generator if it was a wider power outage)).
A quick google says that the really cold freezers use 8-12 kWh per day, so a decently large bank of batteries should keep it running for a bit at least.
A backup generator auto-start then.
Or at least alarm that someone will notice any time of day. It won't thaw in half an hour, so remote monitoring could do. So is they didn't have at least that.
Yeah, with this setup, they seem to have been a power outage away from ruining 20 years of research. Which makes me think that the UPS was on the other side of the breaker box.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is suing a cleaning service after a janitor turned off a beeping sound on a super-cold freezer
In former life, I did research at a university hospital. After a weekend, a neighboring lab found all their patient samples (mind you: samples taken from patients, not something which can be purchased at all) thawed. The cleaner had cleaned the emergency off switch, and thus unintendedly operated it.
Then, a plastic cap was mounted on those emergency offs, you could still operate them, but it would not simply happen by cleaning...
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Is anyone else reading this as movement 3?
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@DogsB The 3rd movement of classical (and also some romatical) symphonies is typically a Scherzo.
Let's see if we'll have fun.
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@DogsB The 3rd movement of classical (and also some romatical) symphonies is typically a Scherzo.
Let's see if we'll have fun.As long as it's not a Schizo.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Or at least alarm that someone will notice any time of day. It won't thaw in half an hour, so remote monitoring could do. So is they didn't have at least that.
The whole thing started because the cleaner wanted to mute an alarm, so how do you think that would have worked?
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@Zecc He wanted to silence the physical sound where he was. Presumably this would be independent of remote notification, which, in any case, would not have kicked in until he turned off the freezer.
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@jinpa Right. But you were assuming there could be another alarm which would trigger under different conditions to the one currently ringing, and which would not be ignored. Which, to be fair, would be possible.
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How does that make sense? I mean, of course ISPs are annoying, but what's wrong with gas stations?
Oh I see, maybe it's because American gas stations are weird, at least for foreigners. You can't even fill up first and Americans have this weird obsession with credit cards. But surely, that's normal for you guys. And the gas price isn't the gas stations' fault, so what gives?
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@topspin The shopping cart does not hold the fuel...
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
Apple's gear will still get updates for a few years and still be usable (for some definition of usable) in that time
I used an iPhone 6S for 6 years. Had to replace the battery though.
(That's not really Apple's fault, but making it difficult and expensive to replace is.)My Pixel 2 is approaching that age.
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB would be awesome to see both get the shit beaten out of them.
Unfortunately, if this thing that'll never happen were to happen, it'd just be a huge ego-celebrating marketing wankery for both instead of a real fight.Just feed then both lots of drugs before the event. Well, feed Mark, i expect Elon to bring his own.
Also, watching nerds fight is kinda boring. One of them has no weight to put behind punches and the other one looks like he'd run out of steam in half a minute.Zuck has been in the news lately for competing in (and winning) BJJ tournaments. Of course, you're not allowed to punch the other guy in the mouth in those, so who knows how well that'll translate for him.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@MrL said in In other news today...:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
@MrL said in In other news today...:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
That could seriously wreck your
socialcredit rating.
(Of course, you are not living in a country where it matters).How?
Failure to pay can be treated as a debt (and sold).
Failure to pay what? Subscription that I already cancelled?
I went through the process to a reasonable extent, if that didn't conclude in 'unsubscribing' I informed them by email that the deal is off. And that's it.Of course, it's really scummy move and quite illegal in many places.
What is scummy is preventing people from cancelling the deal with made up hoops and taking their money against their will.
I noticed that it's a US companies' specialty - treating customers like ATMs and pushovers.Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
How does that make sense? I mean, of course ISPs are annoying, but what's wrong with gas stations?
Oh I see, maybe it's because American gas stations are weird, at least for foreigners. You can't even fill up first and Americans have this weird obsession with credit cards. But surely, that's normal for you guys. And the gas price isn't the gas stations' fault, so what gives?I can only assume it's because the price of gas spiked in the last couple of years. But I've never heard anyone blame this on the stations. Well, there was this one guy, but no one believes him.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB would be awesome to see both get the shit beaten out of them.
Unfortunately, if this thing that'll never happen were to happen, it'd just be a huge ego-celebrating marketing wankery for both instead of a real fight.Just feed then both lots of drugs before the event. Well, feed Mark, i expect Elon to bring his own.
Also, watching nerds fight is kinda boring. One of them has no weight to put behind punches and the other one looks like he'd run out of steam in half a minute.Zuck has been in the news lately for competing in (and winning) BJJ tournaments. Of course, you're not allowed to punch the other guy in the mouth in those, so who knows how well that'll translate for him.
Yeah, bjj is one of very few pyjamas sports that actually translate ok into MMA. And I don't think musk has much to put up. If I hadn't broken my spine, I'm entirely certain I could take musk, but mark might be a tougher one. In my current state it's a plain hell no with Mark though. Still pretty likely I could put musk on his back.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB would be awesome to see both get the shit beaten out of them.
Unfortunately, if this thing that'll never happen were to happen, it'd just be a huge ego-celebrating marketing wankery for both instead of a real fight.Just feed then both lots of drugs before the event. Well, feed Mark, i expect Elon to bring his own.
Also, watching nerds fight is kinda boring. One of them has no weight to put behind punches and the other one looks like he'd run out of steam in half a minute.Zuck has been in the news lately for competing in (and winning) BJJ tournaments. Of course, you're not allowed to punch the other guy in the mouth in those, so who knows how well that'll translate for him.
I kind of want to see a Tim Cook and Zuck cage match now. I would actually root for Tim instead of an asteroid hitting the arena.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
Oh, you mean identity theft?
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
Oh, you mean identity theft?
No, the context was using one-time prepaid cards for automatic subscriptions would then put him at risk of a negative credit reporting entry when the automatic subscription tried to renew and couldn’t because of aforementioned prepaid card being a one-time use and no longer valid.
Do you have some script that translates any post you don’t want to read to be a Gaska post?
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
Oh, you mean identity theft?
No, I think he means that you sign up for something using a valid temporary CC number, then cancel your subscription and also cancel the CC. Then when there's a dispute where the service claims you haven't correctly cancelled and still tries to charge the (now invalid) card, the question is how the dispute is handled by your CC company. You say the charge is invalid, they say you owe them money and they tried to charge an invalid CC. With regards to your CC company / credit rating, who has the burden of proof?
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
Oh, you mean identity theft?
No, the context was using one-time prepaid cards for automatic subscriptions would then put him at risk of a negative credit reporting entry when the automatic subscription tried to renew and couldn’t because of aforementioned prepaid card being a one-time use and no longer valid.
Do you have some script that translates any post you don’t want to read to be a Gaska post?
Oh. I guess I didn't make that connection. Never used any of those things.
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@DogsB Why not make that a three-way fight? (But I'd still root for the asteroid.)
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
Then when there's a dispute where the service claims you haven't correctly cancelled and still tries to charge the (now invalid) card, the question is how the dispute is handled by your CC company.
As far as I understand, that can't be reported to a credit reporting agency.
Otherwise I'd have hundreds of pages of "accounts", and that's very much not the case...
In other news, how about them rainbows?
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
Oh, you mean identity theft?
No, I think he means that you sign up for something using a valid temporary CC number, then cancel your subscription and also cancel the CC. Then when there's a dispute where the service claims you haven't correctly cancelled and still tries to charge the (now invalid) card, the question is how the dispute is handled by your CC company. You say the charge is invalid, they say you owe them money and they tried to charge an invalid CC. With regards to your CC company / credit rating, who has the burden of proof?
The payment fails as the details provided are invalid, the credit card company has no involvement beyond rejecting the transaction.
Subscriptions like Netflix, Prime etc aren't credit. They're paid upfront. The payment fails, the company cancels the service. There's no entry on a credit rating to put anything against.
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@loopback0 you assume it won’t be reported to the credit bureaus anyway. The utilities definitely do and I wouldn’t be surprised if the banks do for bounced transactions at this point - the CRAs had too much data in 2008, and odds are they’ve convinced everyone to somehow trust them with more in the years since…
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
The utilities definitely do
One generally has a contract with utilities companies and they know both your name and address. So they report—independent of the payment method anyway. An online vendor only has a card number, and if the payment does not clear, they just close the account and call it a fortnight, because they don't really know who you are anyway.
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@Tsaukpaetra it was common enough for water, gas and electricity to report on them in 2006 when I read credit searches as part of my day job. Experian had best coverage followed by Equifax.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 you assume it won’t be reported to the credit bureaus anyway.
Against what? Those sorts of subscriptions don't exist on a credit file.
The utilities definitely do
Utilities aren't subscriptions paid upfront like Netflix etc. Also it's not definite - some do, some don't.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Also it's not definite - some do, some don't.
And some only report some things, not other things, and update them in fashion.
But yeah, the difference is that utility bills are paid in arrears, while subscriptions are paid in advance. One creates a credit relationship, the other has a pre-paid balance. Oh, and utilities are heavily (and -ily) regulated in a lot of relevant ways, including when and how they can cut people off.
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@loopback0 When I literally used to read this shit for a day job, it was actually unusual for people to not have their utilities on their credit record. The exception was the pre-pay meter folks.
Fun fact, my credit rating went down over the last year because I moved house and had to open a second line of credit - because for something like 3 weeks, I had utilities bills on two addresses.
You'd honestly be surprised what gets reported to the CRAs as 'lines of credit' though. Banks accounts without overdrafts (where you can't technically ever be in debt) are a line of credit, certain store cards are reported as a line of credit even though they're not regulated as credit cards.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some bigger subscriptions had done a deal with the CRAs to be an additional measure of financial prudence (or not) - just because it's not strictly a line of credit doesn't mean the CRAs don't want that data!
But it's been 15 years since I read a full credit report and not the carefully curated Experian self report. They make very interesting reading seeing exactly what's on them. (And what the lenders get to see is not what Experian shows you as an individual.)
More horrifying is when Experian et al make a mistake and don't ever really correct it. You can have your credit dinged without you even making a mistake and have all sorts of computer-says-no that can't ever be properly rectified.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
have all sorts of computer-says-no that can't ever be properly rectified.
Hold my bytes, Imma gonna create a company to report arbitrary things to bubble my score.
Wait, that's probably a thing, isn't it?
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@Tsaukpaetra almost certainly.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
have all sorts of computer-says-no that can't ever be properly rectified.
Hold my bytes, Imma gonna create a company to report arbitrary things to bubble my score.
Wait, that's probably a thing, isn't it?
How do you think "credit repair" services actually work?
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, I suspect that any time a charge gets made to an invalid credit card it gets reported to the credit agency and the burden is on the consumer to prove that it was invalid. Few people invest the time and effort to do that.
Really? My experience has been the opposite. I report bad charges to my credit card company and they take it off my account.
Emphasis added for clarity.
If it was an invalid card, then the charge wouldn't go thru. And how would an invalid card be associated with the consumer?
edit: <reads more> Oh, I had lost the context of that. Ignore me.
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Now it is a step closer to being official: economy in is in the . Unemployment rose to 2.555 million people in June. 192,000 more than a year ago.
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@DogsB How it's going to work, though? They can't store anything on client side, so they'll have to rely on browser fingerprinting. Which happens to be covered by GDPR.
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Last Thursday, with Google preparing to make Topics available next month in Chrome, Josh Karlin, technical lead and manager of Google's Privacy Sandbox project, closed the year-old discussion.
"Since this discussion, we've added a requirement on Chrome that developers enroll to use the API and to attest that they won't abuse the API," he wrote. "That's not a technical solution, but I do believe it goes a long way to addressing this problem. Closing for now.""
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@DogsB another future entry for the Killed By Google topic
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asking advertisers to promise they won't abuse
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@DogsB so a dystopian new technology fully controlled by google and pushed with the excuse of protecting privacy while profiling you actually relies on not being abused.
Yeah, that’ll work well.I hope Firefox will just not implement this shit at all.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
I hope Firefox will just not implement this shit at all.
Both Mozilla and Apple have correctly concluded it sucks for privacy, so it seems unlikely for now at least.
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There was also this (warning: slashdot) earlier today.
Apparently websites port scan local ports (using websockets?) for various (nefarious) reasons. Kinda not OK with that.