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@remi said in In other news today...:
But UHU didn't sell tubes of glue as "sniff it!"
I'd guess UHU didn't contain much, if anything, sniffable. AFAIK, that was primarily, if not exclusively, the province of things like the glues for solvent welding polystyrene models, PVC pipe, and the like, containing fun chemicals like toluene and xylene. Glues intended for kids (model cement notwithstanding), like UHU and Elmer's, are "nontoxic" and avoid such hazardous chemicals.
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@HardwareGeek UHU make other glues not for kids too.
IIRC the UHU glue sticks for kids used to have a distinctive smell. I don't think they ever went as far with it as Elmer's seem to have done though.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Glues intended for kids (model cement notwithstanding), like UHU and Elmer's, are "nontoxic" and avoid such hazardous chemicals.
We sniffed those tubes of glue as if we were doing drugs (and being scolded for doing so only reinforced the thrill of it, of course), but we could have stuck one in our nose and be perfectly fine. That is, except for having a tube of glue stuck in our nose, obviously.
As to the news item I posted, this would be like if UHU advertised their (perfectly safe to sniff) glue not as glue but as something you should sniff. Like, not just "glue with a fun scent", but "something that is designed to be sniffed and also happens to be glue."
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@remi said in In other news today...:
the news item I posted
Yes, I understood that. And it's not a good idea. However, the ineffectiveness of sniffing UHU glue sticks was a (slightly) different sub-sub-sub-thread; my reply to that was not a comment on the news article.
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Yet another 0-day exploit. From my quick skim of TFA, the 72-hour deadline applies to Federal government employees, and it's to install the previous emergency update, not the one just announced.
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we found a security hole.
we’ve developed a fix but decided to just document it instead.
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@remi said in In other news today...:
We sniffed those tubes of glue as if we were doing drugs (and being scolded for doing so only reinforced the thrill of it, of course), but we could have stuck one in our nose and be perfectly fine. That is, except for having a tube of glue stuck in our nose, obviously.
The warning was always that "sniffing glue" would cause brain damage. The situation with the non-toxic stuff was rather the reverse: that only people who were already brain-damaged would get any kind of pleasure out of sniffing glue.
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Even though the research commissioned by consultancy Engprax could be seen as a thinly veiled plug for Impact Engineering methodology, it feeds into the suspicion that the Agile Manifesto might not be all it's cracked up to be.
One Agile developer criticized the daily stand-up element, describing it to The Register as "a feast of regurgitation."
Oddly enough, I found this to be one of the few good things about Scrum if the Scrummaster is disciplined enough to stay on topic and not allow tangents. There is a shocking about of stupid shit in Agile, but it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems. It's just that the Scrummasters are usually fucking useless at them. It's another one of those things where you don't bend the problem to fit the tech. You bend the tech to fit the problem.
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@DogsB
But ... real agile has never been tried!
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems.
Agile is a bunch of people realising that as soon as there is more than 1 person involved, most problems in software development (as in any activity) are communication problems. So they invented (or recycled) some communication tools.
Then they realised that they were trying to sell this to people who are so bad at communication that they never realised it was communication problems, and thus that they couldn't package it as communication tools. They also realised that those people are quite good at pendantically following rules to the letter, no matter how absconse or stupid the rules are.
So they packaged it as a set of absconse and stupid rules.
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@remi said in In other news today...:
They also realised that those people are quite good at pendantically following rules to the letter, no matter how absconse or stupid the rules are.
And finally, they realized that some people will pay you a lot of money for you to tell them "these are the secret magic rules to success, follow them trust me it will be great!", as long as you make the rules sufficiently convoluted and pedantic and wrap them all up in enough peudo-scientific management buzzwords.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Oddly enough, I found this to be one of the few good things about Scrum if the Scrummaster is disciplined enough to stay on topic and not allow tangents. There is a shocking about of stupid shit in Agile, but it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems. It's just that the Scrummasters are usually fucking useless at them. It's another one of those things where you don't bend the problem to fit the tech. You bend the tech to fit the problem.
At my current workplace scrum was a total disaster*. Out of the few crumbs of usefulness it contains - exactly zero were implemented. All the rest, the idiocies, were pushed hard for a few months, but were so dysfunctional, that even our scrum master (a guy whose only job is maintaining those idiocies) gave up. We were left with standups (useless waste of time, but short), refinement (useless waste of time, long and extremely dumb) and 'agile board' (a shared text file would work just as good, that's how useful it is).
Of course, after 2 years of this, lessons were learned. Experience brought better understanding. So in two weeks we are going to reimplement the whole shebang of scrum, all of it, exactly the same way like 2 years before.
* it was a disaster at every place I saw it, but not that spectacular
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@ixvedeusi Back when I started working in software development 20 years ago, we had some training on the processes. And the tutor said about agile—which then still meant the XP—something like
You can pick the parts that make sense for you. The author of XP says you must take it whole and anybody who tells you otherwise is selling something. Which is funny, because it's he who is selling something.
He also said about the various document templates that
When writing something, think about whether anybody will ever read it, and if it's unlikely, skip writing it.
Surprisingly sensible person.
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@DogsB
But ... real agile has never been tried!No, it hasn't. See also Daily Sit-Down.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems.
I have some ideas for communication problems, but usually there are enough problems already.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Surprisingly sensible person.
If he's so sensible, how'd he get involved with software?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems.
I have some ideas for communication problems, but usually there are enough problems already.
If it doesn't involve lime and shovels, none of us are interested.
Do you ever sleep?
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Do you ever sleep?
Not enough. I really don't want to be awake this early, and I'm about to try to go back to sleep although it's almost 08:00, so I probably won't be successful.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Do you ever sleep?
Not enough. I really don't want to be awake this early, and I'm about to try to go back to sleep.
Godspeed you beautiful soldier!
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@Luhmann If you're looking for tequila your lime is too slow.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@DogsB
But ... real agile has never been tried!No, it hasn't. See also Daily Sit-Down.
I worked at a place that had actual standups. Well, lean-against-the-wall-ups. But at least those were generally over in 15m. If we knew a long topic was going to be discussed, we were allowed to sit at the conference table we were standing around.
Oh, that just reminded me - at this job, pre-covid, we had standups in the middle of our workspace. Again, those were quick. Our zoom-sitdowns take longer (about 30m)
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If there ever was proof, there probably are too many lawyers in the world and corpos should be forced to solve their problems with CEO duels to the death.
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It couldn't be any worse than finder.
When the $3,499 Vision Pro launched in the US
Keep forgetting how much that thing cost. It does sound about the right price for the hardware involved and recouping costs on r&d but fuck me, it better be shitting rainbows at that price.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Keep forgetting how much that thing cost. It does sound about the right price for the hardware involved and recouping costs on r&d but fuck me, it better be shitting rainbows at that price.
Don't worry. Next year it won't be supported and you'll have to buy the new one at $3999. It's the Apple Way
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
It couldn't be any worse than finder.
Do we have any de-facto emoji combinations yet for "that bar is 6 feet under"?
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Even though the research commissioned by consultancy Engprax could be seen as a thinly veiled plug for Impact Engineering methodology, it feeds into the suspicion that the Agile Manifesto might not be all it's cracked up to be.
One Agile developer criticized the daily stand-up element, describing it to The Register as "a feast of regurgitation."
Oddly enough, I found this to be one of the few good things about Scrum if the Scrummaster is disciplined enough to stay on topic and not allow tangents. There is a shocking about of stupid shit in Agile, but it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems. It's just that the Scrummasters are usually fucking useless at them. It's another one of those things where you don't bend the problem to fit the tech. You bend the tech to fit the problem.
That's why everyone just pretends to do agile, while half-secretly doing waterfally things, right?
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
It couldn't be any worse than finder.
Do we have any de-facto emoji combinations yet for "that bar is 6 feet under"?
PRs accepted.
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Boeing Starliner docked with the International Space Station at 13:34 EDT (17:34 Z, I think).
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@MrL said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Oddly enough, I found this to be one of the few good things about Scrum if the Scrummaster is disciplined enough to stay on topic and not allow tangents. There is a shocking about of stupid shit in Agile, but it does offer a couple of ideas for some communication problems. It's just that the Scrummasters are usually fucking useless at them. It's another one of those things where you don't bend the problem to fit the tech. You bend the tech to fit the problem.
At my current workplace scrum was a total disaster*.
I'm supposed to be taking training in this stuff sometime soon, which is curious because the technical thing I'm working on right now is massively impossible to fit into such models; getting Python code to typecheck is difficult when some dickhead has decided to do entirely too much "clever stuff" with it. () As such, it takes a long time to do and yet it isn't easy to predict how long ahead of time; a function might take 20 seconds to write the types of... or most of a week for some highly-polymorphic undocumented monsters. () Breaking that down from epics to stories to tasks let alone time estimating them... And while there is a definition of done, at a small scale level it is very inaccurate; it's easy to get the types wrong and have to revisit things. ( )
The tasks need to fit the work. The use of subtasks can help, but isn't guaranteed. A fixed hierarchy of such artefacts will end up emphasising the wrong things, the ones that are easy to subdivide, measure and estimate, not the ones that are really required for the overall project. No wonder things fail.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Boeing Starliner docked with the International Space Station at 13:34 EDT (17:34 Z, I think).
**Now** you can open the door...
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status Joined a Zoom call. It's 'dinging' every time someone joins. (Just heard someone comment they're trying to figure out how to silence it)
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
Is it really necessary though? It was already perfect 20 years ago and continues to this day without needing any update
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Boeing Starliner docked with the International Space Station at 13:34 EDT (17:34 Z, I think).
**Now** you can open the door...
Actually, they're still in the process of doing that. It takes a long time, about an hour and a half, or something like that, to follow all the safety procedures. (INB4: "But Boeing")
Edit: And the crew of Starliner is now (19:45Z) aboard the ISS. That's a bit over 2 hours after docking.
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
That's why everyone just pretends to do agile, while half-secretly doing waterfally things, right?
Honestly, I think I've worked one job that did waterfall. Most places were ad-hoc panicking or their own made up process until someone high up got caught by salesman.
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@hungrier
stupid question ... it didn't have any AI in it
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
I'm supposed to be taking training in this stuff sometime soon, which is curious because the technical thing I'm working on right now is massively impossible to fit into such models;
Scrum doesn't care. You will conform and be enthusiastic about it.
it takes a long time to do and yet it isn't easy to predict how long ahead of time; a function might take 20 seconds to write the types of... or most of a week for some highly-polymorphic undocumented monsters. ()
Scrum doesn't care. You will estimate and reestimate, and discuss how well you estimated. And ponder different methods of estimating. And estimation units.
The tasks need to fit the work. The use of subtasks can help, but isn't guaranteed. A fixed hierarchy of such artefacts will end up emphasising the wrong things, the ones that are easy to subdivide, measure and estimate, not the ones that are really required for the overall project. No wonder things fail.
Is this lack of faith I'm sensing? Be careful with that or someone may think that you are not a team player.
You just wait for everyday meetings where you repeat the same thing over and over. And meetings where you describe your tasks to people that don't understand them, nor care. And meetings about meetings, lot's of those.
Oh, and meetings.
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@MrL said in In other news today...:
You just wait for everyday meetings where you repeat the same thing over and over. And meetings where you describe your tasks to people that don't understand them, nor care. And meetings about meetings, lot's of those.
Oh, and meetings.Why is our productivity down? Let's have an all-hands meeting to discuss it...
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@MrL said in In other news today...:
You just wait for everyday meetings where you repeat the same thing over and over. And meetings where you describe your tasks to people that don't understand them, nor care. And meetings about meetings, lot's of those.
Oh, and meetings.Why is our productivity down? Let's have an all-hands meeting to discuss it...
It's funny, because it's true.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
Why is our productivity down? Let's have an all-hands meeting to discuss it...
: The meetings will continue until productivity improves.
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@MrL said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
I'm supposed to be taking training in this stuff sometime soon, which is curious because the technical thing I'm working on right now is massively impossible to fit into such models;
Scrum doesn't care. You will conform and be enthusiastic about it.
it takes a long time to do and yet it isn't easy to predict how long ahead of time; a function might take 20 seconds to write the types of... or most of a week for some highly-polymorphic undocumented monsters. ()
Scrum doesn't care. You will estimate and reestimate, and discuss how well you estimated. And ponder different methods of estimating. And estimation units.
The tasks need to fit the work. The use of subtasks can help, but isn't guaranteed. A fixed hierarchy of such artefacts will end up emphasising the wrong things, the ones that are easy to subdivide, measure and estimate, not the ones that are really required for the overall project. No wonder things fail.
Is this lack of faith I'm sensing? Be careful with that or someone may think that you are not a team player.
You just wait for everyday meetings where you repeat the same thing over and over. And meetings where you describe your tasks to people that don't understand them, nor care. And meetings about meetings, lot's of those.
Oh, and meetings.It's funny how everyone seems to agree with it, but somehow we keep scruming and pretending
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
It's funny how everyone seems to agree with it, but somehow we keep scruming and pretending
Everything is already fully summed-up in the actual real-world Agile manifesto:
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@Kamil-Podlesak I'm going to zero-arse that by not even reading it. Have an anyway.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@Kamil-Podlesak I'm going to zero-arse that by not even reading it. Have an anyway.
The title is kinda misleading, I think it's full-arsed.
But, your attitude is commendable!
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@MrL said in In other news today...:
And estimation units.
We went the simple route here - 1 unit equals 1 day. My previous company had some weird thing no one could figure out.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
@MrL said in In other news today...:
And estimation units.
We went the simple route here - 1 unit equals 1 day. My previous company had some weird thing no one could figure out.
When I estimate, I figure a working-day is maybe 4 hours of actual programming. There are too many other things I do. Someone gave me some respect once, and the punishment for that is to assist other people.