Traceroute Fun


  • sockdevs

    traceroute 216.81.59.173

    On Windows: tracert 216.81.59.173

    Then watch the domain names.

    You won't be disappointed ;)


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    For those interested in the how: [spoiler]­http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/3851/how-are-the-hosts-in-the-tracert-216-81-59-173-able-to-use-random-domain-names[/spoiler]



  • @RaceProUK said:

    You won't be disappointed

    You sure? :laughing:

    Tracing route to read.more.at.beaglenetworks.net [216.81.59.173] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.20.136.3 2 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 10.254.12.81 3 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 10.254.8.45 4 15 ms 16 ms 15 ms 10.254.8.134 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out.



  • Nice one, @RaceProUK.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @loopback0 said:

    > You won't be disappointed

    You sure?

    I was..

    [root@thinkpad tmp]# traceTAB tracepath    tracepath6   traceroute6 [root@thinkpad tmp]# tracepath 216.81.59.173  1:  172.16.4.160                                          0.076ms pmtu 1500  1:  172.16.4.1                                            0.943ms  1:  172.16.4.1                                            0.922ms  2:  gi0-1.nomad1.router.enta.net                          1.159ms  3:  gi1-41.newcastle.core.enta.net                        1.701ms  4:  te4-3.leeds.core.enta.net                             4.521ms  5:  te0-0-2-1.man.core.enta.net                           6.587ms  6:  te0-2-1-2.telehouse-east4.core.enta.net              12.642ms  7:  te0-0-0-1.telehouse-east3.core.enta.net              12.993ms  8:  40ge1-3.core1.lon2.he.net                            17.836ms  9:  100ge5-1.core1.par2.he.net                           22.159ms 10:  10ge15-1.core1.ash1.he.net                           90.590ms 11:  10ge1-2.core1.atl1.he.net                           103.165ms 12:  216.66.0.26                                         103.384ms 13:  10.26.26.22                                         146.676ms 14:  [spoiler]Episode.IV[/spoiler]                                          147.177ms 15:  [spoiler]A.NEW.HOPE[/spoiler]                                          148.177ms asymm 14 16:  [spoiler]It.is.a.period.of.civil.war[/spoiler]                         149.873ms asymm 14 17:  [spoiler]Rebel.spaceships[/spoiler]                                    148.690ms asymm 14 18:  [spoiler]striking.from.a.hidden.base[/spoiler]                         148.828ms asymm 14 19:  [spoiler]have.won.their.first.victory[/spoiler]                        150.228ms asymm 14 20:  [spoiler]against.the.evil.Galactic.Empire[/spoiler]                    149.787ms asymm 14 21:  [spoiler]During.the.battle[/spoiler]                                   150.536ms asymm 14 22:  [spoiler]Rebel.spies.managed[/spoiler]                                 151.222ms asymm 14 23:  [spoiler]to.steal.secret.plans[/spoiler]                               151.683ms asymm 14 24:  [spoiler]to.the.Empires.ultimate.weapon[/spoiler]                      152.405ms asymm 14 25:  [spoiler]the.DEATH.STAR[/spoiler]                                      152.773ms asymm 14 26:  [spoiler]an.armored.space.station[/spoiler]                            152.037ms asymm 14 27:  [spoiler]with.enough.power.to[/spoiler]                                153.409ms asymm 14 28:  [spoiler]destroy.an.entire.planet[/spoiler]                            154.403ms asymm 14 29:  [spoiler]Pursued.by.the.Empires[/spoiler]                              153.779ms asymm 14 30:  [spoiler]sinister.agents[/spoiler]                                     155.197ms asymm 14 31:  [spoiler]Princess.Leia.races.home[/spoiler]                            154.672ms asymm 14      Too many hops: pmtu 1500      Resume: pmtu 1500 [root@thinkpad tmp]#

    Now I'll never know what happened...



  • @PJH said:

    Now I'll never know what happened...

    I'd tell you [spoiler] but it keeps changing [/spoiler]


    Filed under: You need to buy the platinum re-mastered ultra-remastered version on Gold-Ray-HHDD


  • BINNED

    onyx:~$ tracepath -m 100 216.81.59.173


  • sockdevs

    @loopback0 said:

    You sure? :laughing:

    By hedgehog law, I cannot be held responsible for internet connection issues :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
    @cartman82 said:
    Nice one, @RaceProUK.

    Source:
    https://twitter.com/aestetix/status/560668040417644544
    @PJH said:
    I was..

    Increase the hop count?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @RaceProUK said:

    Increase the hop count?

    I'd love to.

    [root@thinkpad tmp]# tracepath -?
    Usage: tracepath [-n] [-b] [-l <len>] <destination>[/<port>]
    

    OPTIONS
       -n     Print primarily IP addresses numerically.
    
       -b     Print both of host names and IP addresses.
    
       -l     Sets  the  initial  packet length to pktlen instead of 65535 for
              tracepath or 128000 for tracepath6.
    

    The tracepath command is similar to traceroute, but it doesn’t require root privileges.

    I'm guessing that's the reason.


    I should have traceroute on this box anyway - this is just the first time I've had occasion to try and use it since the last reinstall.


  • BINNED

    From man tracepath:

    OPTIONS
           -n     Print primarily IP addresses numerically.
    
           -b     Print both of host names and IP addresses.
    
           -l     Sets the initial packet length to pktlen instead of 65535 for tracepath or 128000 for tracepath6.
    
           -m     Set maximum hops (or maximum TTLs) to max_hops instead of 30.
    
           -p     Sets the initial destination port to use.
    

    Methinks we founds a bug...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Or - more likely - my distro is using some ancient version (don't have the man page for tracepath installed so can't check) and is uninterested in maintaining it, probably under the assumption that anyone who's actually interested in doing that sort of thing should be using traceroute to begin with.

    [root@thinkpad tmp]# tracepath -m 255  216.81.59.173
    tracepath: invalid option -- 'm'
    Usage: tracepath [-n] [-b] [-l <len>] <destination>[/<port>]
    

    Then again, this is a distro that actively (and disproportionately IMHO) discourages use of sudo.


  • BINNED

    @PJH said:

    Or - more likely - my distro is using some ancient version

    Well, -m works here but it's still not in the short help version:

    onyx:~ $ tracepath
    Usage: tracepath [-n] [-b] [-l <len>] [-p port] <destination>
    

  • Fake News

    @PJH said:

    For those interested in the how: [spoiler]­http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/3851/how-are-the-hosts-in-the-tracert-216-81-59-173-able-to-use-random-domain-names[/spoiler]

    So that's where the strategic reserve of IPv4 addresses went...



  • @PJH said:

    discourages use of sudo.

    Suddently Discourse’s inability to use colo[spoiler]u[/spoiler]red text doesn’t seem so bad...



  • That's nice.

    TIL traceroute doesn't come installed by default with Xubuntu 14.04


  • sockdevs

    @RaceProUK said:

    tracert 216.81.59.173

    oh. that one...

    that one's still online? wasn't it first published like about when ep 1 was coming out?



  • I posted this months ago.





  • Wow, there are a lot of Star Wars fans looking at that website.


  • mod

    @RaceProUK said:

    You won't be disappointed

    Much like @loopback0, I was not very enthused by the result:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    For those interested in the how: [spoiler]­http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/3851/how-are-the-hosts-in-the-tracert-216-81-59-173-able-to-use-random-domain-names[/spoiler]

    People who, annoyed by the fact that links don't work in spoilers, or by the fact that PJH didn't bother making it a link, select the URL in Chrome, right-click, and choose search, might be amused by the fact that this thread, and not the actual site itself, is the first link.


  • BINNED

    No repro. CLOSED WONTFIX.



  • It worked at home, seemed the problem was at work.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @JBert said:

    ­http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/3851/how-are-the-hosts-in-the-tracert-216-81-59-173-able-to-use-random-domain-names

    You must be doing it wrong:


  • BINNED

    So Google will drop suggestions for articles on me because they are "Popular with readers of thedailywtf.com", but will downgrade my search results for this forum.

    DiscourGooglesistency!


  • Fake News

    Huh? I was just quoting @PJH. I can't help it that he spoilered it.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @JBert said:

    Huh? I was just quoting @PJH. I can't help it that he spoilered it.

    Apparently I replied to teh wrong person. Shoulda been @onyx.


  • BINNED

    @FrostCat said:

    Apparently I replied to teh wrong person. Shoulda been @onyx.

    It shows as a reply to me... to me. @JBert got the quote notification I buttume.

    Good thing we moved to this more modern and readable software...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Onyx said:

    It shows as a reply to me... to me.

    Huh, so it does to me, too. Well, I don't know what he's complaining about then.

    Oh, no, wait, I do. I grabbed the text I quoted from his post, even though I replied to you. That's...what, discoursistency? Anyone have a better word for it?


  • Fake News

    Actually, it was in a bit of doubt there:


  • BINNED

    @FrostCat said:

    Oh, no, wait, I do. I grabbed the text I quoted from his post, even though I replied to you. That's...what, discoursistency? Anyone have a better word for it?

    It's by design. I'm fine with it, actually. The bit that gets confusing is the whole quote-overrides-reply-but-only-sometimes. But one quote from a different post works fine in that sense. Multiple ones... Fuck knows, I gave up a long time a go.


  • mod

    @FrostCat said:

    select the URL in Chrome, right-click, and choose search

    I get "Go to ..." instead.

    Chrome 40 on Win 7.



  • Chrome on OS X - I got the Search and Go to options, which gave me the same result as @Onyx.
    Chrome on Windows 8.1 - I just get the Go to like you.

    Googlesistency.


  • BINNED

    Full disclosure - using Opera, but like that fucking matters these days... traitors!

    Though Chrome did update just tonight... it says it's version 40.0.2214.94 (Linux). Seems to be recognizing URLs and giving me a "Go" option if I select a link and a search option when selecting just regular text.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @loopback0 said:

    Googlesistency.

    You want that, I got the search and go at work and just the go at home, both on Win 8.1. I CBA to check which Chrome versions but it should be teh same.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    Am disappoint.

    Tracing route to read.more.at.beaglenetworks.net [216.81.59.173]
    over a maximum of 100 hops:
    
      1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  localproxy.localdomain.com [10.112.48.3]
      2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  proxygateway.localdomain.com [10.112.208.4]
      3     2 ms     2 ms     3 ms  152.164.202.53
      4    58 ms    58 ms    57 ms  147.225.25.217
      5    57 ms    57 ms    57 ms  147.225.25.218
      6     *       58 ms    58 ms  10.10.255.49
      7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
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    Trace complete.
    


  • Yeah, seems broken now.

    Tracing route to read.more.at.beaglenetworks.net [216.81.59.173]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1    12 ms    16 ms    15 ms  [snip]
      2    20 ms    17 ms    18 ms  [snip]
      3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      4    14 ms    29 ms    18 ms  brhm-bb-1c-ae1-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.42.210]
      5    29 ms    27 ms    28 ms  ae1.lon25.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.65.161]
      6   119 ms   119 ms   117 ms  et-7-1-0.atl11.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.181.13]
      7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
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  • @PJH said:

    actively (and disproportionately IMHO) discourages use of sudo

    That doesn't read like actively discouraging the use of sudo to me. That reads like actively discouraging the Ubuntu-style abuse of sudo. I'm all for that. Why would anybody not be?


  • ‚ôŅ

    I'd love to have sudo set up with permissions, but I'm the only person who uses the machine so it's not really worth having any distinction more fine-grained than "is Ben" versus "isn't Ben".


  • ‚ôŅ

    @accalia said:

    about when ep 1 was coming out

    :question:



  • @ben_lubar said:

    it's not really worth having any distinction more fine-grained than "is Ben" versus "isn't Ben"

    which is why you don't actually need sudo at all.


  • ‚ôŅ

    Well, having my computer say "hey, that might be a bad idea" if I try to do something bad is pretty nice.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @ben_lubar said:

    Well, having my computer say "hey, that might be a bad idea" if I try to do something bad is pretty nice.

    That is usually followed with, "Fuck you computer! I know what I am doing!"

    Then followed by, "Oh shit! I fat-fingered something! I hope I have a recent backup...."


  • ‚ôŅ

    Tracer tee!


  • sockdevs

    @loopback0 said:

    Yeah, seems broken now.

    well... that's disappointing..... :­-(



  • @ben_lubar said:

    having my computer say "hey, that might be a bad idea" if I try to do something bad is pretty nice.

    You don't need sudo to make it do that. It will do that by default.


  • ‚ôŅ

    How do you propose I install and update software as a non-root user, then? Or are you suggesting I run everything as root?



  • If you opt to set a root password in the Debian installer, it doesn't add your first user to the sudo group by default, and it picks gksu instead of gksudo for privilege escalation on the desktop.

    You get a "Root Terminal" item in the Applications->System submenu for doing CLI admin stuff; or you can just use su - to become root in an existing shell session. One of the nice things about sudo is the way it will suppress asking for a password until you've not used it for fifteen minutes within a given shell session; I get the same kind of convenience from su just by leaving my root terminal minimized but open until I've finished whatever I opened it for.

    For GUI-based admin stuff, the gksu experience is quite similar to the gksudo experience familiar to Ubuntu users, except that instead of asking for your own password it asks for the administrative password (which is actually the root password). gksu also gives you the option of remembering that password either until you log out (generally what I do) or remembering it in your keyring (which I think makes it far too easy to do destructive stuff inadvertently) or not remembering it at all.

    su and sudo and their gk* variants both use the kernel's setuid mechanism to elevate privileges, so there's no difference from the point of view of any tasks you launch via those tools.


  • ‚ôŅ

    The difference is that if I use su, my root account is protected by a password and nothing else, and if I use sudo, I can have an SSH key and a password that are both needed to log in as root. The root account doesn't even need to have a password that can be entered.


  • Fake News

    @ben_lubar said:

    if I use su, my root account is protected by a password and nothing else

    You could use a stronger password than the one for your regular user, and I don't get the "nothing else" bit.
    @ben_lubar said:

    and if I use sudo, I can have an SSH key and a password that are both needed to log in as root
    TDEMS

    You never need an SSH key when working locally and you can disable root from logging in directly through SSH. You would then open a session with your "ben"SSH key and run su in that session with your secure root password.


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