What's killing off "gameified" communities (yes I made a post of my tweets, suck it)
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Only if your customers ever hear it...
But that was my point, dude! Don't say stuff your customers won't like to hear.
I don't like cops referring to citizens as civilians, either: unless they were in the military, they're civilians too. When anyone else does it it's downright insulting.
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Right; but it's not. The answer to your question is no.
That's not what I got out of that site. "Your browser appears to be unique among the [n] we've seen." Ignoring the weasel word, that sounds like a unique identifier.
Remember my other posts about how to tie that back to advertising. You don't use the browser as the primary vehicle to do it. If you were going to do it.
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From the client side it may well be impossible: as blakey said, the browsers won't blindly pass information from one web site to a different one.
No, I get that. Attempting to do so would be an XSS vulnerability. I get it, but:
I was talking about collusion on the back end, though, where you can do a lot more, because you're not stuck with the browser's limitations. Databases don't know what XSS or CORS is and don't honor it, they just give out data when asked.
Was exactly my point. You have tons of identifiable information. It seems like it would be pretty trivial. Even just with session identifiers and IP addresses you could nail it down to a single person within a few iterations by going over the timings on two different systems (analytics and advertising). You could even do so irrespective of NAT, etc.
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I'm actually surprised IP addresses are on the list at all because there aren't enough to go around until IPV6 is really a thing, so a lot of ISPs just pass them around as needed.
If the ISP keeps records of everyone who had any given IP addr at any given time, it's certainly PII. Let's ignore "oh, someone was on the street might have been using my open wifi" or whatever for the moment.
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Is it ironic1 that I am only visiting this topic because the gamification of this forum requires that I do so in order to gain TL3?
1: And can I start a grammar pedantry "you are/aren't using the word irony correctly" battle at the same time
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Let's remember that we live in a world where, for example, I periodically get emails from Gmail asking me if I know a person who as far as I remember, I've never interacted with, with that address. So clearly there's aggregating of some kind going on. Conceptually, it's not entirely dissimilar to "sharing information between advertising and analytics networks".
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Was exactly my point.
Yeah, I know. I'm arguing your side, remember? I wouldn't call it trivial. Originally I was just disagreeing with Blakey's probably ill-considered "oh, that's impossible."
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Is it ironic1 that I am only visiting this topic because the gamification of this forum requires that I do so in order to gain TL3?
You don't have to hit every topic.
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I'm arguing your side, remember?
I know. I felt compelled to reiterate.
Text conversation, lack of enunciation and body language, etc.
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Just makin' sure.
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I periodically get emails from Gmail asking me if I know a person who as far as I remember, I've never interacted with, with that address.
I'm not sure I understand. Street address? Someone who used to live in your {house|apartment|mother's basement} before you did?
So clearly there's aggregating of some kind going on.
Yeah, that's definitely more information than I want Google to know.
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I'm not sure I understand. Street address? Someone who used to live in your {house|apartment|mother's basement} before you did?
email address.
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Yeah, that's definitely more information than I want Google to know.
Yeah, except that in a couple of instances, it put me back in touch with people whose email I had lost and didn't have any way of recontacting. Damn them for making such evil techniques useful!
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You don't have to hit every topic.
A whopping 1 off-topic post about gamification over the course of an hour isn't exactly every topic.
Posting it in this topic is on topic, since the topic is gamification. The 3rd topic I posted in was semi-on-topic because Mott was threatening me with reverse-gamification in the original topic. I visited 12 other topics and didn't say a peep, because making fun of gamification is only so much fun. And if I say topic again, my head will explode, it's such a hot topic.
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And if I say topic again, my head will explode, it's such a hot topic.
Been nice knowing you. Now he is dead, I hope the gamification was worth it.
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And this, kids, is why heatmaps in a gamified community system is retarded.
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A whopping 1 off-topic post about gamification over the course of an hour isn't exactly every topic.
I just meant, you can skip a few if you think they're not worth reading.
it's such a hot topic.
I don't see the relevance.
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And this, kids, is why heatmaps in a gamified community system is retarded.
But...what about coldmaps? Good idea? Not? Something that doesn't exist outside of meta.d? Other?
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Until someone is killed by an excessively endothermic reaction (unlike the exothermic reaction @darkmatter talked about), it's a PROBLEM_NOT_FOUND.
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You just lack imagination. You have no vision. Coldmaps are the way of the future!
Stars on the other hand are not. They shall be violated right in their star holes.
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And this, kids, is why heatmaps in a gamified community system is retarded.
wtf you came back too? Were you and @Onyx locked in someone's basement together somewhere?
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wtf you came back too? Were you and @Onyx locked in someone's basement together somewhere?
Nah, circumstances changed.
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Now he is dead, I hope the gamification was worth it.
Alas, poor @darkmatter, I knew... that he posts a alot.
Were you and @Onyx locked in someone's basement together somewhere?
It was an attic.
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@Onyx let you out?
Nah, I found some self esteem and determination not to let certain things be a problem.
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Nah, I found some self esteem and determination not to let certain things be a problem.
should have said something, we can take her out back and fix the problem.
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i stand (wincingly) corrected.
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I found some self esteem and determination
But failed to find the tracking chip I implanted.
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OK let's stuff this shit back into t/1000 before blakeyrat has an aneurysm.
Less discourse, we need to get back to actual gamification like Dicsourse demands.
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But heatmaps are gamification. I was just trying to make a joke about how gamification is a bad thing if it made your head explode as an exothermic reaction.
At least, the way Discourse does heatmaps seem to be gamification by way of encouraging you to approach certain topics based on recentness vs age rather than potential relevance.
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i was talking more about the circumcisions and attic dungeons.
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Fair enough, that does belong in t/1000
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I'm surprised people aren't putting more effort into defeating things like this, or abuse of local storage and the like. Defeating panopticlick seems "easy" conceptually: don't let the browser see what it's using to fingerprint you, like a complete list of fonts: "I have Times New Roman, Arial, and Consolas."
There is. Remember the Canvas fingerprinting technique? There are quite a lot of ways to block that one, the AdBlock addon, for example.
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Remember the Canvas fingerprinting technique?
Not specifically, but that's not relevant. I wonder, though, are AdBlock, (or anyone else) , catching that, etags, cookies, local storage, flash storage, and everything else, in one convenient package? I've been considering just doing all my browsing in incognito mode, but that seems like a lot of extra work.
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I found some self esteem
The things you find down the back of the sofa… ;)In all seriousness though, good to hear ☺
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In all seriousness though, good to hear ☺
I'm just gonna +1 this in agreement, in case I seemed like too much of a dick earlier.
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The irony is that twitter is the ultimate gamified community. Here's a tweet I did that got quite a few likes (relative to how many likes I used to get):
Nothing says “I don't give a fuck about follower count” like posting who.unfollowed.me stats to your timeline.”
See, it's funny because obsessing about followers loses you followers. What earns you followers is being authentic, and yet it's incredibly hard to be authentic in a gamified system. Every human instinct drives you to try and get the most likes, the most followers, retweets, etc., and that necessarily leads to endless rehashing of the things that have already been successful.
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I give no shits for likes on Twitter just as I give no shits for likes here.
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+1, would read again. I like your "No BS" attitude in this one. I only regret that I have but one like to give.
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Which is interesting, coming from someone who seems quite enthusiastic about analytics. What is it about this particular type of feedback that you dislike?
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I don't give enough of a shit. But next time I use the site, I'll just tie an account to my Facebook or something "permanent", instead of a job-specific username/password.
To be honest, I doubt if the other users care where you work. In any case having a company name in one's username is not such a good idea because then your opinions and problems and everything you say would easily affect the company's reputation. It doesn't matter the slightest to the forum whether you use a work email or not, so what's the point? Also, I wouldn't use work addresses for public forums anyway... but then, of course, I'm a paranoid geezer that doesn't even have a Facebook account. I don't think these companies need to know my second name, pet's breed or home address, really. Just make a free spamcatcher email address, tie all the weird suspicious shit there and - if you dare - forward the emails to whichever account you actually check. It's not like you'd ever need to reply to any of these mails, anyway.
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I don't have enough Forumpointzzz to answer my own questions. Or even comment on them. And if you put the answer in by editing the original question, you're in violation of the "rules", even though there's no other way to do it.
You can always answer your own questions on Stack Overflow. There's even blog posts about it.You can also always comment on answers to your questions (or of course the question itself, which you wrote) even with 1 rep.
What you can't do is comment on answers or questions that are completely unrelated to yours unless you have 50 rep.
Blakey, I must reiterate that I do admire a man who isn't about to let mere ignorance keep him from having an opinion about something.
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You can always answer your own questions on Stack Overflow.
Then the software is broken, because I tried exactly that and it said I didn't have enough reputation. (Given, that was a couple years ago. Maybe it's different now-- I'm not sure whether my attempt pre-dated that blog post or not.)
BTW, there are blog posts about reptilian aliens having continent-long tunnels leading from Washington D.C. to London. That doesn't make it true.
Oh and I like how you didn't address any of my actual complaints and focused instead on a relatively minor issue of dumb permissions. Face it, StackOverflow, like every project you've invested time into, is a complete fucking failure. Go dig ditches for a living, you're no good at this.
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A website with millions of users is a complete failure?
Oh, and you can answer your own question regardless of rep. I know; I did exactly that.
And this doesn't mean I suddenly like Atwood; I still think he's a total fucking arsehole.
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Only if your customers ever hear it...
If your job is PR and the customers never hear what you have to say, you've already failed.
But I don't see any point to banning the term in the industry.
That wasn't the point.
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I give no shits for likes on Twitter just as I give no shits for likes here.
I don't give a shit if somebody likes my tweets or not, but on Twitter I use likes/favourites/whatever they're called as bookmarks. Usually for things like videos that I see on mobile and want to watch on a proper computer