Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon Florida was the same. Despite getting rain nearly every day, often in torrential amounts. Even the slightest bit of water from the sky would slow things to a crawl. I blame the tourists and old people.
Hah! Around these parts we don't need any external cause to bring traffic to a crawl!
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon Florida was the same. Despite getting rain nearly every day, often in torrential amounts. Even the slightest bit of water from the sky would slow things to a crawl. I blame the tourists and old people.
Hah! Around these parts we don't need any external cause to bring traffic to a crawl!
Here in Oregon, people just drive slow on purpose. Like...actually obeying the (stupidly low) speed limits!
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
(stupidly low) speed limits
For those of you who've never been to Oregon, they never raised the limit after the Federal government stopped coercing the states into adopting the 55 MPH maximum. The limit is still 55 there.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon Florida was the same. Despite getting rain nearly every day, often in torrential amounts. Even the slightest bit of water from the sky would slow things to a crawl. I blame the tourists and old people.
Hah! Around these parts we don't need any external cause to bring traffic to a crawl!
Here in Oregon, people just drive slow on purpose. Like...actually obeying the (stupidly low) speed limits!
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
(stupidly low) speed limits
For those of you who've never been to Oregon, they never raised the limit after the Federal government stopped coercing the states into adopting the 55 MPH maximum. The limit is still 55 there.
Well, the freeways are higher. But only to 65 for I-5 (the main N-S corridor). They're higher out in eastern Oregon, sort of. But even the surface streets have stupidly-low speed limits. 25 MPH with speed bumps on a 5-lane (2 each way + center turn lane) artery. Sure, there are driveways off of it. But it goes up to 35 later under the same circumstances.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the freeways are higher. But only to 65 for I-5
Huh. That must be a fairly recent change. I-5 was still 55 the last time I was there, which would have been, um, about 5–6 years ago.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the freeways are higher. But only to 65 for I-5
Huh. That must be a fairly recent change. I-5 was still 55 the last time I was there, which would have been, um, about 5–6 years ago.
Looks like the change happened in 2017 or 2018. It's still 55 through Portland though. And for trucks.
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@Benjamin-Hall Last time I was there was late 2016, moving from WA back to CA. And I was driving a moving truck.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And for trucks.
In theory, it's 55 for trucks in CA too. And trailers. But obviously boat and RV trailers are immune to that. (watches them zoom by at about 75mph in the far left lane)
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In theory, it's 55 for trucks in CA too.
And in theory, it's 65 for cars (except rural Interstates), but nobody pays attention to that, either. 80 or stopped in commute traffic — nothing in between.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In theory, it's 55 for trucks in CA too.
And in theory, it's 65 for cars (except rural Interstates), but nobody pays attention to that, either. 80 or stopped in commute traffic — nothing in between.
You forgot about the ones that like to do 80 in commute traffic.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to use engine breaking?
Oh, wait, no. Automatic transmission.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to use engine breaking?
Oh, wait, no. Automatic transmission.
Yeah. That particular case is all about the neighborhood there being one of the priciest ones. So they have the political clout to force stupid things like stupid speed limits and speed bumps to "keep kids safe"
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to use engine breaking?
Oh, wait, no. Automatic transmission.
Most automatics can engine break just fine. Older ones you usually just had L or sometimes L1, L2, but newer ones often have an 'S' mode that allows you to specify the gear it stays in. I certainly do it in my car.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to use engine breaking?
Oh, wait, no. Automatic transmission.
Most automatics can engine break just fine. Older ones you usually just had L or sometimes L1, L2, but newer ones often have an 'S' mode that allows you to specify the gear it stays in. I certainly do it in my car.
I don't live in a very hilly place (well, more rolling than big and steep) so I rarely have a need for this, but I have in the past.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
speed bumps on a 5-lane
Exactly. 3 of them. Spaced apart after coming down a pretty steep hill through empty terrain (ie no buildings on either side of the road for that hill). So you have to keep pressing the brakes because otherwise gravity's enough to make you hit that first speed bump really really hard.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to use engine breaking?
Oh, wait, no. Automatic transmission.
Most automatics can engine break just fine. Older ones you usually just had L or sometimes L1, L2, but newer ones often have an 'S' mode that allows you to specify the gear it stays in. I certainly do it in my car.
I've always driven manual (typical European). I've got a plug-in hybrid on order though, so guess I'll find out this summer.
Unless the car factory (or one of its suppliers) gets redirected for the war effort of course.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
redirected for the war effort
Can they make it target tanks instead of fi--
plug-in hybrid
Oh, not a Tesla. Never mind
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
redirected for the war effort
Can they make it target tanks instead of fi--
plug-in hybrid
Oh, not a Tesla. Never mind
I'm not sure a tesla hitting a Russian tank at full speed would impress the tank all that much.
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@PleegWat O Lord Elon, who art in Americka, hollow be thy name...
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The limit is still 55 there.
For normal roads (2-lane, no divider, often winding) that matches our default (90 km/h).
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's still 55 through Portland though.
We generally have 80 km/h on freeways in urban areas, so that's just 50 mph. Not that bad.
We do have 130 km/h, which corresponds to 80 mph, on freeways out of town though, and in Europe cities are closer together so one usually does not need to travel as far.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The limit is still 55 there.
For normal roads (2-lane, no divider, often winding) that matches our default (90 km/h).
@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's still 55 through Portland though.
We generally have 80 km/h on freeways in urban areas, so that's just 50 mph. Not that bad.
We do have 130 km/h, which corresponds to 80 mph, on freeways out of town though, and in Europe cities are closer together so one usually does not need to travel as far.
55 mph is normal for "country roads" (ie surface streets out of town, also usually 2-lane). Until you hit a town. Small towns are notorious for being speed traps, often jerking the speed limit up and down "randomly" to cause as many tickets as possible, since most of their town budget comes from that. Or hiding the limit change sign after a curve with trees.
Many cities drop the freeway limit, but most do 65 except in some spots. Not that you can usually do 65 or even 55...stupid traffic.
Most of the "open road" freeways (ie not in town) outside of Oregon are either 75 or 80. A few are 70. They're engineered to handle ~100 mph without issue (at least in dry weather) and most of the traffic generally keeps at 80, regardless of the speed limit. Not in Oregon, where people do 65 on the big freeway. Or less. In the dry.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
For normal roads (2-lane, no divider, often winding) that matches our default (90 km/h).
However, in this case, we're talking about the main north-south highway on the west coast. It's the main route for all land (non-rail) traffic from the Mexican border to the Canadian border. Think something like the M1 in the UK or A2 in Germany, but with a 90 kph limit.
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@HardwareGeek But is it a freeway? That is at least two lanes, divider in the middle, all junctions have joining lanes, no sharp turns? If yes, 90 km/h is stupid. If no, they are way behind in infrastructure building.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Think something like the M1 in the UK or A2 in Germany, but with a 90 kph limit.
Sounds like the M1 in traffic. Actual speeds used to be even lower, but they widened long stretches of it. (Actually, I don't know if those roadworks are still ongoing in some stretches; haven't been that way since early 2020 for some reason.)
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I can't remember if I saw this somewhere here or not:
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
redirected for the war effort
Can they make it target tanks instead of fi--
plug-in hybrid
Oh, not a Tesla. Never mind
I'm not sure a tesla hitting a Russian tank at full speed would impress the tank all that much.
Considering the current track record of Russian tanks, I'd not be so sure.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sounds like the M1 in traffic. Actual speeds used to be even lower, but they widened long stretches of it.
Yeah but some stretches still get backed up to well below 50mph in traffic.
@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Actually, I don't know if those roadworks are still ongoing in some stretches
Some were still in place about 6 months ago.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
But is it a freeway? That is at least two lanes, divider in the middle, all junctions have joining lanes, no sharp turns?
Yes. Mostly (in Oregon) with a few miles of fields on either side and basically ruler straight and level. 2 lanes each way with occasional 3 lane segments.
Has nothing to do with infrastructure and everything to do with idiotic politics. Just like how in Oregon it's illegal to pump your own gas, except in very small counties (which exception was only grudgingly passed in the last decade or so).
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
But is it a freeway? That is at least two lanes, divider in the middle, all junctions have joining lanes, no sharp turns? If yes, 90 km/h is stupid.
As @Benjamin-Hall already said, yes it is, and yes it's stupid.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sounds like the M1 in traffic.
I was thinking mostly in terms of importance in being a major artery of the highest motorway classification connecting important cities over a (relatively) long distance. (I have no experience with the M1 traffic.) As far as traffic, though, 100 miles between cities of any significant size. Traffic is constant, due to being a major long-distance route, but outside cities and bad weather, always free-flowing.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I can't remember if I saw this somewhere here or not:
I can't remember for you, but I know I didn't.
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@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@LaoC said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The UK somehow manages to be surprised by yearly weather phenomena every single time. Remember when they got "experts" from Germany and Sweden because it had suddenly and unexpectedly snowed and everything transport was utter chaos?
In Canada you'd think we'd be used to snow on the roads in the winter, but every single year, 90+% of people seem to completely forget how to handle it
How do you mean you can't just power through it?
Direct link to the video:
Impressively robust cabin, seeing how the whole thing flips over the engine. Probably wouldn't have ended that well if the truck had been loaded though.
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@LaoC said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@LaoC said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The UK somehow manages to be surprised by yearly weather phenomena every single time. Remember when they got "experts" from Germany and Sweden because it had suddenly and unexpectedly snowed and everything transport was utter chaos?
In Canada you'd think we'd be used to snow on the roads in the winter, but every single year, 90+% of people seem to completely forget how to handle it
How do you mean you can't just power through it?
Direct link to the video:
Impressively robust cabin, seeing how the whole thing flips over the engine. Probably wouldn't have ended that well if the truck had been loaded though.
It was carrying mail, it seems.
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@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Direct link to the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU8jOMxQ8_8Why specifically U.S. mail? Why not just... mail?
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@Zecc I would guess to mean it worked for USPS specifically rather than perhaps FedEx or DHL.
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@Bulb I've realized that after coffee, but now it's too late. And I own my mistakes.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
C'mon, the simple fact is: in the UK train system, every single item belongs to some different. So if train X arrives 1 minute late at station Y, someone has to pay someone else for that disruption. Someone must be found guilty of having caused that. And all that crap.
That's reason behind that bullshit.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
redirected for the war effort
Can they make it target tanks instead of fi--
plug-in hybrid
Oh, not a Tesla. Never mind
I'm not sure a tesla hitting a Russian tank at full speed would impress the tank all that much.
"impress"? Well, the tank would melt in the heat of the Lithium fire. That's totally different.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
hollow be thy name
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
hollow be thy name
Poor yokel cant into right Yenglish.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the tank would melt in the heat of the Lithium fire
The steel of the tank would soften, not melt. Blacksmiths are thankful for that difference in properties, but tank operators are less keen and so need to watch out for orbital launches of Teslas.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
orbital launches of Teslas.
in that case pure gravity could suffice ... if enough Tesla survives re-entry
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
in that case pure gravity could suffice ... if enough Tesla survives re-entry
Either way, we win!
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The steel of the tank would soften, not melt.
Jet fuelTeslas can't melt steelbeamstanks.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
C'mon, the simple fact is: in the UK train system, every single item belongs to some different. So if train X arrives 1 minute late at station Y, someone has to pay someone else for that disruption. Someone must be found guilty of having caused that. And all that crap.
That's reason behind that bullshit.
The real reason is right there at the bottom of the title picture.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the tank would melt in the heat of the Lithium fire
The steel of the tank would soften, not melt.
Tesla fuel can't melt steel tanks! ™
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@LaoC does one Tesla contain enough parts to build into a magnetron?
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
in that case pure gravity could suffice ... if enough Tesla survives re-entry
Either way, we win!
On the one hand, it's a lot harder to predict the flight path for the reentering Tesla than for the default hero, Inanimate
CarbonCarbide Rod.On the other hand, exactly the above,