Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Around here the sign would say just 70
In too that is why this is wonky... Also it says 70km not 70km/h or 70km/u. Yes, the time changes as you cross the language barrier.
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@boomzilla
Should rename the garage to turn right for consistency
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Meanwhile in B*****m:
Bonus linked content:
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@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Meanwhile in B*****m:
The trucker was driving along the Pervijzestraat
Pervij, Pervy. I am convinced this means Pervert Street, and you cannot persuade me otherwise.
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@HardwareGeek The linked article says "The dashcam images have caused outrage on social media and now the police that have launched an investigation into reckless driving incident."
LMAO. This happens on the road all the time where I live. The buses run by the government do this! I wish I could move to the country where this happened, my life would be infinitely safer.
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@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Meanwhile in B*****m:
The title makes it sound like some outrageous ban on filming, but what they want to fine the drivers for is using “mobile phones or other communication or recording device” (or whatever the wording is in the Belgian law) while driving.
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@Bulb This is exactly where my mind went after thinking about it for more than a third of a second. Am I giving Belgium authorities too much credit?
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@jinpa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I drove past an interesting programmable road sign this morning.
It said:
HELLO
ROAD CLOSURE
8TH JUNE 8AM-4PM
No idea why it was telling me about a road closure that happened two months ago, but at least it was friendly about it!
Evil idea: You make road messages puzzles, and the driver has to figure it out. So in the above, you replace "CLOSURE" with
// global scope const e = 10; function sum(a) { return function (b) { return function (c) { // outer functions scope return function (d) { // local scope return a + b + c + d + e; }; }; }; } console.log(sum(1)(2)(3)(4)); // log 20
Do it the Python way and return a subclass of
int
, perhaps calledSummableInt
, that can be applied to another int to return anotherSummableInt
. Like that, you'd be able to handle an arbitrary number of applications!
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Meanwhile in B*****m:
The title makes it sound like some outrageous ban on filming, but what they want to fine the drivers for is using “mobile phones or other communication or recording device” (or whatever the wording is in the Belgian law) while driving.
A quick check in a relevant reference indicates holding a cell phone while driving, for any reason, even when in front of a red light or in a traffic jam, is illegal.
Source (Dutch): https://www.anwb.nl/vakantie/belgie/reisvoorbereiding/verkeersregels
Dashcams themselves are legal, but there are restrictions on how the images can be used for privacy reasons. Publication is illegal if any person or vehicle can be identified, EG using a license plate.
Source (Dutch): https://www.anwb.nl/juridisch-advies/op-vakantie/met-de-auto-op-reis/andere-verkeersregels/dashcam-verboden
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@PleegWat The article says some people driving in the opposite direction were slowing down and pulling out phones to film it, and those are the ones police wants to prosecute. Which sounds perfectly reasonable.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Do it the Python way and return a subclass of
int
, perhaps calledSummableInt
, that can be applied to another int to return anotherSummableInt
. Like that, you'd be able to handle an arbitrary number of applications!>>> int.__call__ = int.__add__ Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: can't set attributes of built-in/extension type 'int'
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@Zecc Yeah, that's why you have to subclass.
Here, from an interactive session:
>>> class I(int): ... def __call__(self, x): ... return I(self + x) ... >>> I(0) 0 >>> I(0)(1) 1 >>> I(0)(1)(2) 3 >>> I(0)(1)(2)(3) 6
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@stillwater
As a temporary inhabitant of Greece, I can tell you this is not the place for you ... Everything seems optional around here ... Bike or moped helmets, maximum speed, parking signs, good thing is payed parking is too, car side or back windows, seat belts, head lights, dimmed lights, turn signals, no entry signs, road markings, those are vague things of a distant past at best ... Sometimes even the road seems optional when that perfect smooth 2 lane road turns into a less then one lane wide dirt pit for a few 100 meters without warning except for one of those construction signs with a EU flag on the bottom to show me where our Euro's are not spend for maintenance.So yeah ... West-Flanders is better although the people are just as incomprehensible as Greeks.
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
maximum speed, parking signs
I missed the comma the first time I read this and wondered why parking had a maximum speed
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat The article says some people driving in the opposite direction were slowing down and pulling out phones to film it, and those are the ones police wants to prosecute. Which sounds perfectly reasonable.
This. The fact what they where doing with their phone is irrelevant but I doubt contesting the fine will get you sympathy from the judge, who can take additional circumstances in account for lowering or increasing a punishment
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@loopback0
In normal countries the max speed while parking is 0.
I bed the nice Greece people have found a way around that one too!
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The title makes it sound like some outrageous ban on filming, but what they want to fine the drivers for is using “mobile phones or other communication or recording device” (or whatever the wording is in the Belgian law) while driving.
How much you wanna bet a whole lot of car pooling was going on that day?
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In normal countries the max speed while parking is 0.
How does anyone park in these countries if they can't go above 0 while doing so?
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Everything seems optional around here ... Bike or moped helmets, maximum speed, parking signs, good thing is payed parking is too, car side or back windows, seat belts, head lights, dimmed lights, turn signals, no entry signs, road markings, those are vague things of a distant past at best
You left out direction of travel. I distinctly recall seeing people simply driving in the oncoming lanes to bypass traffic jams.
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@HardwareGeek
Contrary to popular believe I have not encountered the famous Athens jam.
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@loopback0
Time Travel ... Duh
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek
Contrary to popular believe I have not encountered the famous Athens jam.The one I remember was in Θεσσαλονίκη (Thessaloniki).
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
Please take this type of content to the garageHe's right, you know.
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@Dragoon
Easy ... not more the usual since these things just require a police officer's statement: vehicle with plate number X was seen using his phone. Fine is automatically send to vehicle owner or an assigned driver, eg company cars with one normal driver. Who can contest if for example he was not driving.Extra fun: fines are send by snail mail to your home address. And you get a digital copy in your digital 'messagebox' that you need for several federal social security things. This triggers a notification email that mostly just tells you there is a new message.
Like many people I have my useless box thing coupled to a digital document platform that also handles my pay slips, bank messages and other stuff. Naturally this platform has his own mail notification. And if you use the app, a phone notification.
For some Belgium reason the Flemish government has a separate notification system but at least these contain some information.
For everyone still counting along this is 3 mails, a physical letter and an app notification informing you you have been fined ...
But wait.. there is more!
If you have a long lease car or company car the owner of the car can register a driver. All fines will go to the driver directly. The owner just gets a notification. Some lease companies however find it necessary to forward this notification. So now you have an notification in your work mailbox too ... Latest 'feature' is the lease companies force an app on you to retrieve digital versions of your car documents like proof of insurance and register damage or accidents. So naturally you get a notification from that app too.
If 4 mails, 2 app notifications and a physical letter don't do the job, traffic fines + a late fee are tagged to the next income tax sheet.
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@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
Please take this type of content to the garageHe's right, you know.
Pretty sure it should be left
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
Please take this type of content to the garageHe's right, you know.
Pretty sure it should be left
I mean, same here, but whaddya gonna do.
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@boomzilla 順番
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@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
Please take this type of content to the garageHe's right, you know.
Pretty sure it should be left
I mean, same here, but whaddya gonna do.
You are obviously right
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
traffic fines + a late fee
At least they don't charge you administration costs.
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@Luhmann
Also ... all digital notifications follow each other within some random interval that goes from minutes to days.
Also also ... I have a theory that the letter is there only to circumvent any male plan to just pay the fine and don't tell the wife about the fine. At least based on my statistical analysis of available case data (1), because in all cases (1) the wife intercepts the snail mail.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
administration costs.
Some thing but with a different name
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In the US, the driver would take it to court and require they produce some evidence that he was using his phone while driving. Which, if they could not provide it, the fine would be discarded.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In the US, the driver would take it to court and require they produce some evidence that he was using his phone while driving. Which, if they could not provide it, the fine would be discarded.
That trick was thought of on this side of the Pond. That's why the fine goes to the owner, not the driver; the owner has a responsibility to ensure that whoever drives the car does so in a lawful manner. (If the car was actually stolen at that point, that's a good reason to dispute the fine in court. That's a small minority of cases.) Tracking who the owner is is pretty easy too, as they're the ones paying taxes on it.
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@dkf There are also countries (France and Italy, I believe) where the owner has the choice of either paying the fine themselves or telling who the actual driver was. As I understand, if the person accused of being the driver disagrees that's a civil case.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In the US, the driver would take it to court and require they produce some evidence that he was using his phone while driving. Which, if they could not provide it, the fine would be discarded.
Most people would just pay it, I suspect. The alternative is hoping the officer who issued the fine does not show up to court to testify
@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
That trick was thought of on this side of the Pond. That's why the fine goes to the owner, not the driver; the owner has a responsibility to ensure that whoever drives the car does so in a lawful manner. (If the car was actually stolen at that point, that's a good reason to dispute the fine in court. That's a small minority of cases.) Tracking who the owner is is pretty easy too, as they're the ones paying taxes on it.
I think that's a separate issue.
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@boomzilla It's an up-scale El Camino!
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
Please take this type of content to the garageHe's right, you know.
Pretty sure it should be left
I mean, same here, but whaddya gonna do.
You are obviously right
Sorry, I'd left.
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"Hey, Dad, can I borrow the car tonight?"
"Hell, no! Remember what happened last time?"
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dkf There are also countries (France and Italy, I believe) where the owner has the choice of either paying the fine themselves or telling who the actual driver was. As I understand, if the person accused of being the driver disagrees that's a civil case.
In Germany you may be able to pull the trick of "I don't know who was driving" exactly once. After which the court may tell you that you now need to keep a log of any and all trips you or someone else undertake with your car.
Which means that next time you either produce the log (which then tells who was driving) or you'll be fined for not complying with a court order. And, yes, on longer road trips where you share driving duties you have to update the log every time the driver changes,
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And, yes, on longer road trips where you share driving duties you have to update the log every time the driver changes,
We started doing that consistently when we went on vacation to Italy, since we'd seen warnings that tickets may arrive after half a year or more. But even if the ticket arrives after 2 weeks it saves a lot of head-scratching.
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@HardwareGeek If you mute the video and make it full screen it feels like such a pleasant drive. The road looks beautiful!
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What not to do if you're stopped for DUI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZuD5jYpIEThis has the actual video of the field sobriety test:
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What not to do if you're stopped for DUI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZuD5jYpIEThis has the actual video of the field sobriety test:
OTOH, my friend's late father, who was a long-time karate instructor once passed a sobriety test by putting a beer glass on his forehead, lying down, and getting back up again (without dropping the glass, of course).
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@dcon No don’t give him your money! The people who this is meant for, are the excat kind of people who won’t get it.
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@stillwater said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the excat kind of people
Furry thread is .
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@boomzilla That's so Canadian