⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...
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Representative screenshot from Firefox Lightbeam:
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@Atazhaia said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
Firefox Lightbeam
I'm not really familiar with Lightbeam. What does it mean that the logo is far from any other logos in the middle of the graph, but with lots of connections, obviously? If I had to guess, I'd assume it means that you visit a lot of other sites linked from TDWTF, but .
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@HardwareGeek Lightbeam tracks connections to third-party sites and builds up a graph of which sites connects to which. And the oneboxing here means it builds up a lot of those links, combined with spending a lot of time here...
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This came up on the radio today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjutJJd6tA8
And I immediately thought of:
@JBert said in Internet of shit:
@topspin said in Internet of shit:
@lolwhat said in Internet of shit:
@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
When an 8 year old me got some privacy, he started an open fire in the middle of the room.
I had no idea you were @Polygeekery's son.
@Polygeekery, you old dog!
Some hot Polish affair, who can blame him.
Must be that they got on like a house on fire.
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... when you autocorrect YKYBSTMTOTDWTF on someone's ass...
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@Tsaukpaetra I wonder what you're talking about.
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@Zecc said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
Ooh! That looks like a good candidate for emoji requests!
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YKYBSTMTOTDWTF when your notification count is higher than your unread count.
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“Oh, is this a mushroom pie?”
“What, you didn't even bother to read the label?”
“Reading is a barrier to eating.”
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@kazitor
YKYBSTMTOTDWTF when you think TDEMSYR is a well-known acronym.
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@Watson I've used "the warthog kneels" in casual conversation.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Watson I've used "the warthog kneels" in casual conversation.
I called my friend 'kneeling swine' yesterday
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@Watson said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
YKYBSTMTOTDWTF when you think TDEMSYR is a well-known acronym.
Quite the opposite. I expect the uninitiated not to know. That way I can use it with impunity.
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YKYBSTMTOTDWTF when you’re contemplating how to translate “shoulder aliens “ to German, before realizing you need a different insult anyway.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Watson said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
YKYBSTMTOTDWTF when you think TDEMSYR is a well-known acronym.
Quite the opposite. I expect the uninitiated not to know. That way I can use it with impunity.
I speak to people entirely in neologisms for this reason.
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@jinpa said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
neologisms
@error_bot xkcd malamanteau
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… you keep thinking the below is a WTDWTF tab.
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… you keep reading “TDEMSYR”
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
What game is that? I want to play it.
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@error GreedFall.
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Is it any good? I was thinking about buying it.
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@MrL From my Steam review:
G'day, my name is De Sardet, legate of the Merchant Congregation.
This is a brown-tinted AA-level Mass Inquisition, with a good helping of Risen. Spiders have learned a lot from many of the heavyweights of the RPG genre, putting all the ingredients in a large cooking pot and producing a veritable stew. It looks good (the lighting helps). It tastes... well, it's all there, good and bad in equal proportions, from a powdered concentrate. Good thing it has a lot of shelf life. Apart from audiovisual technical excellency (depends on your excellency, Your Excellency, but generally runs pretty good... unless water effects are involved) it feels dated. There's no innovation whatsoever, thankfully not in the buzzword sense of the word, but not any other sort either.I liked it, but it's as formulaic as they come. About the mental complexity of the modern Fallouts, I'd say.
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@MrL I also enjoyed it. It's not on the level of e.g. Mass Effect, but somewhat reminiscent of that.
@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
It looks good (the lighting helps).
Their SSAO is quite noisy and halo-y, though.
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@kazitor said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
… you keep reading “TDEMSYR”
TRWTF
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
About the mental complexity of the modern Fallouts, I'd say.
Oh god.
@cvi said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@MrL I also enjoyed it. It's not on the level of e.g. Mass Effect, but somewhat reminiscent of that.
I hated Mass Effect. Pathetic pseudo-game.
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@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I hated Mass Effect. Pathetic pseudo-game.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I hated Mass Effect. Pathetic pseudo-game.
Hmm, I'm not saying you should hate it, or that something is wrong with you because you don't.
I just don't get what could be even remotely entertaining about ME. Three types of super basic, super easy missions, three types of generic boring dialogues. All of this repeated 100 times in random order.
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@MrL I didn't mean the above as an insult. I intended the dog to be the fanbase that defends its writing, impactful choices, top voice work and whatnot, neither of which is there (ok, except Martin Sheen and Keith David).
Now, I liked Commander Shepard's Flying Circus for the most part because of its setting. Especially the first one has that old sci-fi vibe of glorious future (with same old problems). Mind you, they themselves forgot it and went full space oprah. I guess it's like the blue curtains thing.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
space oprah
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@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I hated Mass Effect. Pathetic pseudo-game.
Hmm, I'm not saying you should hate it, or that something is wrong with you because you don't.
I just don't get what could be even remotely entertaining about ME. Three types of super basic, super easy missions, three types of generic boring dialogues. All of this repeated 100 times in random order.
I liked the original trilogy because they're the only games that have ever faced me with moral and ethical dilemmas that I actually felt invested in.
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@error really? To me it felt like it had moral complexity somewhere between Smurfs and Care Bears. The obvious good and the obvious bad and the obvious plot twist and the obligatory "robots are humans too" moment that gets shoved into every sci-fi thing these days.
Maybe I was spoiled by playing Witcher first and getting impressed by its actually complex moral dilemma (very very simplified version: "are you for KKK or for Antifa and no, there's no middle ground and fuck you for trying that." Surprisingly relevant to current events.)
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@Gąska where as I found the Witcher to be needlessly black on black morality, without characters that I could actually be sympathetic with. Much like GoT, I was wanting all of them to lose. Which made me not get past even halfway through the first one.
But then again, I don't look to video games, movies, or books to provide "meaningful moral choices". I look to them for diversion, entertainment, and escape. And good narratives with snappy dialogue and at least one likeable character.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
needlessly black on black morality
Racism thread is .
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Gąska where as I found the Witcher to be needlessly black on black morality, without characters that I could actually be sympathetic with. Much like GoT, I was wanting all of them to lose. Which made me not get past even halfway through the first one.
I played the first one a long time ago, so I don't remember, but in second and third there's a lot of characters to like and root for. They are flawed, sometimes do bad or stupid things, but that makes them human.
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@MrL also, the nice thing about 3 is that you are NOT part of the great conflict that tears the world apart.
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@Gąska said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@MrL also, the nice thing about 3 is that you are NOT part of the great conflict that tears the world apart.
What I loved about 2 is that
[spoilers]you think throughout the game that you are a part of the great conflict and that you're making a difference, but it comes out at the end that you were just a pawn and didn't change shit.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
and at least one likeable character.
Then never watch Ozark.
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@Dragoon said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
and at least one likeable character.
Then never watch Ozark.
I just watched this recently. I thought Buddy was likable. There was something I liked about Helen.
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@MrL see, that's exactly the sort of plot twist I dislike. I don't mind picking flowers against a backdrop of dramatic events, but I don't want to be told by the game that what I'm doing is important and meaningful, just to end up picking flowers. I hate when games lie about their world. Leaves me wondering what else is a lie.
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@Karla said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Dragoon said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
and at least one likeable character.
Then never watch Ozark.
I just watched this recently. I thought Buddy was likable. There was something I liked about Helen.
I like watching all of them, but the only one I actually like is Ruth.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I don't mind picking flowers against a backdrop of dramatic events, but I don't want to be told by the game that what I'm doing is important and meaningful, just to end up picking flowers.
On the other hand, building story-based games where you can make a meaningful difference to the major events of the setting is crazy hard. Much more common is where you're playing out how you make the difference, but not what the end result of the difference is.
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@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Karla said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Dragoon said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
and at least one likeable character.
Then never watch Ozark.
I just watched this recently. I thought Buddy was likable. There was something I liked about Helen.
I like watching all of them, but the only one I actually like is Ruth.
I enjoyed the series, so I liked watching them.
Yeah, I did like Ruth as well. She had a very expressive mouth. Weird observation but I think it made her more likable.
My liking Helen was the ability to be so non-emotional. Though I would hate that in a person IRL.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I hate when games lie about their world. Leaves me wondering what else is a lie.
The game doesn't lie, you just experience the story/world from the perspective of the Witcher. Who is (as tough and seemingly cynical) idealistic and somewhat naive about great politics in which he tries to meddle. He even mentions this a few times in W3.
The moral of this story: wheels of great politics and history turn on their own and individuals, even powerful and determined, often cannot stop them - is great. There's also a little jab at common game tropes, that I love: you thought thay you're a hero? Well, you are, but not that great.
It literally makes me sick every time I play another chosen one savior of the world.
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@Karla said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
Yeah, I did like Ruth as well. She had a very expressive mouth. Weird observation but I think it made her more likable.
My liking Helen was the ability to be so non-emotional. Though I would hate that in a person IRL.
Yeah, I also like cold determined calculating characters.
But Ruth with that constant boiling anger/annoyance/disdain, standing up to people twice her size, and winning, is a joy to watch.
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@MrL said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
But Ruth with that constant boiling anger/annoyance/disdain, standing up to people twice her size, and winning, is a joy to watch.
Agreed.
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@MrL That's just it. If all you see is one perspective, there's absolutely no difference between having a flawed perspective and the game outright lying to you. As I said, I don't care if my actions actually make a difference, but don't tell me that they're so very important only for them to be meaningless. It's the lie, not the meaninglessness that matters to me.
More than that, I'm so very tired of "deconstructions" and cynical grey-on-grey morality where no one is right and no one is wrong, so just go ahead and rape/murder/rob to your hearts desire, because the world is all a crapsack anyway and nothing you do will ever make it better. There's enough crap in the real world, I don't need to import it into my fiction just to say "look at me how I'm avoiding all those lesser tropes". When all you're doing is feeding a different trope. Tropes are not bad. Tropes are not good. Tropes are how people understand things.
@dkf I don't mind railroads as long as they're clearly such ahead of time. In fact, I am fond of JRPGs, where nothing the player does matters (other than win/lose). The story is predetermined. And that's fine with player buy-in. By playing a JRPG, you know exactly what you're getting into. But being told "your actions matter" and "you're at the core of major events" for that to be a lie? That's the kind of thing that gives rise to murder hobos. Where nothing you do matters, you might as well just go completely amoral and take what you want. No consequences == no agency. Honest invisible walls and map boundaries are way better than hidden ones.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
@MrL That's just it. If all you see is one perspective, there's absolutely no difference between having a flawed perspective and the game outright lying to you. As I said, I don't care if my actions actually make a difference, but don't tell me that they're so very important only for them to be meaningless. It's the lie, not the meaninglessness that matters to me.
Subjectivity is not a lie. Do you consider all movies without all-knowing narrator lying to you?
More than that, I'm so very tired of "deconstructions" and cynical grey-on-grey morality where no one is right and no one is wrong
Well, I'm tired of being treated like a four year old, who can't think for himself and must be fed the most primitive black and white fairy tales.
so just go ahead and rape/murder/rob to your hearts desire, because the world is all a crapsack anyway and nothing you do will ever make it better.
That's not how it works in Witcher. You make moral choices which have consequences - with greys of different shades all the time, which makes different choices obvious for different players and different choices hard.
You can be a dick to people, if you want to, but you can't actually be evil.
I always found 'do what you want, murded npcs, murder entire cities' in games like Elder Scrolls ridiculous.There's enough crap in the real world, I don't need to import it into my fiction just to say "look at me how I'm avoiding all those lesser tropes". When all you're doing is feeding a different trope. Tropes are not bad. Tropes are not good. Tropes are how people understand things.
Tropes are bad when they substitute creativity and you see the same dumb thing all the time.
But being told "your actions matter" and "you're at the core of major events" for that to be a lie?
Again, there's no lie. You just see the story from certain perspective and you're not an all-knowing god.
Where nothing you do matters, you might as well just go completely amoral and take what you want. No consequences == no agency.
Your actions do matter and do have consequences, sometimes quite big and drastic.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in ⏱ You know you've been spending too much time on TDWTF when...:
I hate when games lie about their world. Leaves me wondering what else is a lie.
I see. Unfortunately, Witcher is all about "everybody lies". I guess it's just too Polish for your tastes.