Google Accounts



  • I really hate Google. Almost as much as I hate Apple. I hate how signing into any website signs me into a million other sites that use Google accounts. I hate how signing out doesn't really sign me out on some sites. And I hate how the "Remember Me" or "Automatically Log Me In" option on other sites doesn't work at all and I have to manually log in every time (Insightly). I hate how Google apparently can't understand that I want separate accounts for work use and for personal use, especially since I have no control over my employer-provided Google account. I hate how I somehow have a Google account and email address with @yahoo.com at the end that is totally separate from that same account and address at Yahoo. I hate how a coworker told me I needed to log into Firefox with my Google account to make all this stuff work better. Logging into a web browser TDEMSYR!

    Today's example. Our company email is provided through Gmail. I wanted to sign up to a Google Groups site for a dirt bike trail system I'm near so I can get updates because the place tends to flood and close down for weeks at a time. That's personal use, not work, so naturally I want to use my personal account. No matter how many times I logged out of my work account and into my personal one, every time I went to the group it wanted to use my work account!! I LOGGED OUT OF MY WORK ACCOUNT WHY THE F DO YOU KEEP WANTING TO USE IT!!!! WHAT DO YOU THINK "LOG OUT" MEANS!?!?!

    Sorry for channeling Blakeyrat there for a bit but it felt appropriate. Google's account system is a WTF of monumental proportions that makes absolutely no sense to me and really makes my blood boil.



  • To avoid the work / personal issue, you could do what I do and use two different user profiles. I have Chrome windows on two Linux workspaces, one of which is for work related accounts and the other for personal ones. It makes it easy to keep everything separate.

    Incognito windows are ideal when you need to sign into something temporarily and be sure that there are no cookies or login info left behind.

    Of course, if you're truly channelling Blakeyrat, you'll get angry with me now for offering a solution when you just wanted to complain.



  • @Keith said:

    Of course, if you're truly channelling Blakeyrat, you'll get angry with me now for offering a solution when you just wanted to complain.

    Nah, I'll just shoot the messenger and tell you that it's absolutely retarded that I need to jump through such hoops just to sign into a simple website.

    Facebook is getting to be the same way. I forget where I ended up but there was a site that only allowed login via Facebook. I don't have Facebook, so guess whose site I didn't sign up for?


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    @Keith said:

    To avoid the work / personal issue, you could do what I do and use two different user profiles. I have Chrome windows on two Linux workspaces, one of which is for work related accounts and the other for personal ones. It makes it easy to keep everything separate.

    At least in Windows, Chrome even allows you to set up multiple user profiles/logins within the same Windows profile.



  • @abarker said:

    At least in Windows, Chrome even allows you to set up multiple user profiles/logins within the same Windows profile.

    Yeah, it's the same. The advantage of Linux is that you can set up workspaces dedicated to different things. The separation of concerns is very handy and I don't understand why Microsoft haven't added it to Windows yet.



  • @Keith said:

    Yeah, it's the same. The advantage of Linux is that you can set up workspaces dedicated to different things. The separation of concerns is very handy and I don't understand why Microsoft haven't added it to Windows yet.

    Because that would mean you don't want everything lumped together on one workspace and therefore are more organized than they are?



  • Use Lynx for the dirt bike site.



  • @Keith said:

    Yeah, it's the same. The advantage of Linux is that you can set up workspaces dedicated to different things. The separation of concerns is very handy and I don't understand why Microsoft haven't added it to Windows yet.

    One of the guys who designed Metro appeared on Reddit a few months ago and answered a bunch of (angry) questions about what the fuck were they thinking.

    One of the explanations he gave was, they wanted to separate desktop power-users who use windows for work, from granmas who just want to browse pictures on Facebook. So desktop users would figure out workarounds and carry on as usual (and we did), while noobs would be stuck inside Metro and eventually get used to it, like it or not. In a way, splitting apart two user skill-levels into two different environments.

    As an aside, he mentioned they had tried to introduce desktop workspaces several times, but their average nose-picker focus groups just couldn't "get" it. So they had to scrape it again and again. But now, with noobs safely tucked away inside the padded Metro playground, they can supposedly get back to desktop and start adding more complex features they always wanted to add but couldn't. With a wink-wink nudge-nudge that these things are a version or two away.

    At least according to this guy.



  • You can be logged into more than one Google account at a time: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/1721977?hl=en . You should be able to switch between them once you're logged into both.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    Unless you're using one of the many older Google apps that don't see anything but the first account. I'm always multi-logged-in, and things like Drive won't let me switch, it only shows the Drive for the first account I logged into, so I'm careful to log into my main account first.



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Unless you're using one of the many older Google apps that don't see anything but the first account. I'm always multi-logged-in, and things like Drive won't let me switch, it only shows the Drive for the first account I logged into, so I'm careful to log into my main account first.

    The link I provided indicates this issue. I, personally, don't check stay logged in for anything so I don't ever experience this issue.


  • SockDev

    Nudge nudge wink wink SAY NO MORE


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    Ah, so you're just knowingly putting misleading information into your post then. Carry on.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @cartman82 said:

    So desktop users would figure out workarounds and carry on as usual (and we did)

    By installing a different OS?


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @mott555 said:

    I don't have Facebook, so guess whose site I didn't sign up for?

    Since I left Facebook ~6 months ago, I have noticed the same BS. For me, it is just more reason to avoid FB like the plague.



  • Some have stuck with W7. Some got used to W8 or made it better with Start screen replacements (I did both).

    IMO in the long run, there's no going back. Sooner or later you have to move on, or move out. W7 isn't a permanent solution.



  • @cartman82 said:

    One of the guys who designed Metro appeared on Reddit a few months ago and answered a bunch of (angry) questions about what the fuck were they thinking.

    One of the explanations he gave was, they wanted to separate desktop power-users who use windows for work, from granmas who just want to browse pictures on Facebook. So desktop users would figure out workarounds and carry on as usual (and we did), while noobs would be stuck inside Metro and eventually get used to it, like it or not. In a way, splitting apart two user skill-levels into two different environments.

    As an aside, he mentioned they had tried to introduce desktop workspaces several times, but their average nose-picker focus groups just couldn't "get" it. So they had to scrape it again and again. But now, with noobs safely tucked away inside the padded Metro playground, they can supposedly get back to desktop and start adding more complex features they always wanted to add but couldn't. With a wink-wink nudge-nudge that these things are a version or two away.

    At least according to this guy.

    What about the bump in the middle of the user skill bell curve?



  • I also cannot believe how useless the search functionality is.



  • @chubertdev said:

    What about the bump in the middle of the user skill bell curve?

    Got off my ass and found the source. It's mostly in this thread (search for name 'pwnies'), but you're better off finding just this guy's answers through this.



  • Yes. Sooner or later you realize this Windows thingie is only going downhill. You then upgrade to linux and never look back.


  • SockDev

    Which is fine until you want to play games.



  • @Arantor said:

    Which is fine until you want to play games.

    Is SuperTux not good enough for you?


  • SockDev

    Which one? The playable-enough-but-slightly-twee Mario jump 'n' run knock off, or the playable-enough-but-slightly-twee Mario driving game knock off?

    And no, I like to play shit like time travelling lumberjack-em-ups.



  • @Arantor said:

    playable-enough-but-slightly-twee Mario driving game knock off?

    That's SuperTuxKart.


  • SockDev

    Yes, yes, I know. Pedantry denied and all that.

    I was merely pointing out that it's really not that exciting to just have Mario knock offs.



  • There's also Sudoku.

    I don't know what you're complaining about really. Those three games should cover all of your gaming needs.


  • SockDev

    Are there angry bears? Can I punch bears with terrible but somehow amusing sound effects?

    Failing that can I get to, say, run across rooftops with a hidden blade strapped to my arm whilst inside a fake form of the Matrix based on my ancestors' DNA?



  • @Arantor said:

    Are there angry bears? Can I punch bears with terrible but somehow amusing sound effects?

    Minecraft works on Linux and has animals that you can punch. It doesn't have bears, but I'm sure there's a mod for that.

    @Arantor said:

    Failing that can I get to, say, run across rooftops with a hidden blade strapped to my arm whilst inside a fake form of the Matrix based on my ancestors' DNA?

    Sounds very much like Sudoku to me.


  • SockDev

    I am not modding Minecraft to be Fist of Awesome in glorious 3D.

    Also, Sudoku is so much more violent than Assassin's Creed.


  • BINNED

    @Arantor said:

    I am not modding Minecraft to be Fist of Awesome in glorious 3D.

    Nothing about Minecraft's 3D is glorious.


  • area_deu

    You get Doom I-III and Quake I-IV, along with the most of the things based on them.
    And I think there is a Doom WAD in which you can, in fact, punch bears. I don't remember the name, though.


  • SockDev

    That's the point.



  • @Onyx said:

    Nothing about Minecraft's 3D is glorious.

    You've clearly never used Anaglyph 3D mode.

    Disclaimer: I haven't either, but I'm sure it must be awesome.



  • Hey, I actually tested several Windows 95/98 CD games with Wine yesterday, and a good 60% of them worked perfectly! You spoiled kids and your Battlefields of Duty and Leagues of Dotas are never happy.


  • SockDev

    You can stick your Call of Dota and Battlefields of Legends up your wazoo.

    The sad truth is that the only good Amiga emulator long since outpaced the Linux equivalent and doesn't play nicely under Wine.



  • @martijntje said:

    Yes. Sooner or later you realize this Windows thingie is only going downhill. You then upgrade to linux and never look back.

    Because you can't, because radeon doesn't work with your (not that newish, not that oldish) graphics card or whatever god-forsaken version of drm.ko gets dumped in your lap, and trying to run X just shuts off the display until next boot, and no matter how you play with the kernel command line or runlevels in grub your distro refuses to not start X because "why would anyone want that?"

    Repeat for four major distros.


    Filed Under: The Luxury of Ignorance is still alive and well, we need a new tag cloud to attack


  • SockDev

    Aw, and I thought Linux had grown up by now. It's had long enough.


  • BINNED

    Append text to your kernel line in Grub? If that doesn't work something is really awry.

    Doesn't save you from the rest of the WTF. I had radeon fail to run any 3D, but to crap itself so bad, well, that's a new low.


    Filed under: Manually shutting it down every boot, Proper DPM support my ass


  • SockDev

    Microsoft Windows says hi.



  • LOL WUT? His example was talking about Google Groups. You're talking about Google Drive. Google Groups was not on the list of apps that had the issue in the link I posted from Google. Google Drive was on the list. Learn to read.


  • BINNED

    Don't worry. AMD/ATI fail hard enough there as well. I mean yes, it works, but I saw better drivers for no-name USB cow milker machines from Singapore than ATI's.


  • SockDev

    MacBook Pro with Radeon 6850M says hi.


  • BINNED

    <Post shifting the blame on the manufacturer>

    <Retort about Linux being shit anyway and no one cares>

    <Rant about Windows sucking>

    <Rant about doing it wrong and sharing Linux horror stories>

    <Someone praising OS X>

    <Someone explaining why OS X sucks>

    <De/Re-railement>

    There, saved us all some time.


  • SockDev

    Now to just piss on your fireworks, I'm using Windows on said MacBook MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


  • BINNED

    Damnation! Foiled again! It would have worked too, if not for that meddling @Arantor!


  • SockDev

    @Onyx said:

    Damnation! Foiled again! It would have worked too, if not for that meddling @Arantor!

    All in a day's work for... damn, no funky company name.


  • BINNED

    People united for liberation from PHP?

    Acronym: PULP


  • SockDev

    That's just fiction.



  • @Arantor said:

    The sad truth is that the only good Amiga emulator long since outpaced the Linux equivalent and doesn't play nicely under Wine.

    On the topic of emulators, now more seriously, if we want to have a chance to still be able to run our software in the future we really need a good, open source, unified emulator software for any platform. Plugin based so things like input and output can be adapted to future hardware, and written in whichever language is most portable. Something like MESS but that actually woks. Have you ever tried to configure 6 different emulators to accept controller input? It's a major pain in the ass because every one does it differently and you have to hunt down documentation or tools hidden in old broken forums.

    In an ideal world, this would be a government funded project and have free access to any necessary documentation (source codes, chip layouts...). In our world, it's hard enough to find anyone willing to host a 6kB ROM image necessary to emulate an old console (because it's copyrighted) or a way to bypass the DRM of game whose company went bankrupt 15 years ago.

    And the best part is, with the current law, those copyrights won't expire until we're all long dead and buried. We will literally have space elevators and blood cell sized supercomputers before we can freely distribute Windows 3.1 software.

    Filed under: Further thread derailment



  • This is where I think OSS needs to come into play. Once a software product has been outdated and is no longer a significant source of income, a company should re-license it to some open-source license if possible and then release it for anyone who still maintains an interest.

    At least that's how I'd run things...assuming there's nothing highly proprietary in the code.


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