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Start Menu in @Tsaukpaetra's screenshot said in The Official Status Thread:
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Status: WHAT?
In my last commit I bracketed a few lines of code in a library with
#ifndef NO_FOO_SUPPORT
. Idea is that at some later point I might want to use a subset without the FOO dependency and then the functions that require it will simply not be compiled in.Expected effect on current project: The pre-processor symbol is not defined, so nothing at all changed.
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Observed effect: Everything compiles fine but some tests fail due to a tiny floating point difference.Wondering is going on. Current working hypothesis is that I'm again, but I don't know why yet.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
went for a full reset (that's what they had me do it when it happened a month ago),
Never do this, it will almost certainly not resolve the issue unless you've misconfigured it.
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
bad GPU or loose cable?
Try the cable first. Or even just unplugging the cable (at both ends) and plugging it back in. Fixing the GPU is going to be a lot more cost.
Too late, pulled the system from the environment regardless (it was slated to be replaced by a mini box four times as powerful). I'm going to bet it was cable, it was a dvi-a to VGA cable that I totally do not trust.
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@Zecc said in The Official Status Thread:
Start Menu in @Tsaukpaetra's screenshot said in The Official Status Thread:
Productivity
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You should have seen what was in there before I ran a decrappifier...
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Why?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Why?
If the symbol was defined the functions inside
#ifndef
get stripped by the pre-processor and since I'm actually using them ... error?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
went for a full reset (that's what they had me do it when it happened a month ago),
Never do this, it will almost certainly not resolve the issue unless you've misconfigured it.
That's also what I'd expect, but since they had me do it and told me that it'd take a few minutes for it to re-install all updates (and that previous time, they ultimately told me that the issue was likely an update that wasn't properly applied to my router, since they could see in their log that an update was rolled out just before the issue happened on my side), it felt like something that 1) could possibly work; 2) even if it didn't (which happened), it wouldn't harm as the router would set itself up back again automatically (which it did) and 3) was something that support told customers to do so it wasn't an operation that would let the magic smoke out (at worst they'd have to re-synchronise something on their end but they'd already showed me they could do it).
In the end, the only thing this reset cost me (apart from a few minutes) was that I had to set the wifi password again, so really, not a big deal.
So yeah, probably not a very good idea but on the whole, I don't think that was a blindingly stupid idea either.
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: WHAT?
In my last commit I bracketed a few lines of code in a library with
#ifndef NO_FOO_SUPPORT
. Idea is that at some later point I might want to use a subset without the FOO dependency and then the functions that require it will simply not be compiled in.Expected effect on current project: The pre-processor symbol is not defined, so nothing at all changed.
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Observed effect: Everything compiles fine but some tests fail due to a tiny floating point difference.Wondering is going on. Current working hypothesis is that I'm again, but I don't know why yet.
Warning: Double negatives detected
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Current working hypothesis is that I'm again, but I don't know why yet.
It seems counter-intuitive, but I feel like holding this attitude prevents s from being committed.
There are too many devs that think
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@error "hey guys I've found a bug in the
compilerOSCPU, because I get the wrong result but I know that my code is right!"
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@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
Warning: Double negatives detected
That's fully intentional because it's an opt-out flag that's by default not defined.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
But then, just as the lady was apologising to me for the disruption, I saw the lights on my box come back, and all is working again!
If my lights are out, I can't talk to anyone. Anyone who thinks IP-based phones are better can get fucked. (And since I live in Silly Valley, of course my cell phone connection is only 1-bar - if I'm lucky - so that relies on wifi too.)
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status I needed a VM on my Win10Home machine... First time running in VirtualBox. So far, . (Only had a 1903 ISO, so the machine is now spending lots of time downloading updates)
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@dcon That's something that annoys me, yes. OTOH, comparing my usage of internet and of my landline, that's a trade-off I'm willing to accept.
In the good'ol days, a phone line was a phone line, it didn't even need power (for years I kept a very basic phone that didn't require electricity so that I could while away power cuts chatting with people!). But with ADSL that's not even possible, the phone comes out of the modem (which requires power).
It would still have worked this morning as I actually have 2 connections right now. My neighbourhood got equipped with fibre recently and as I wasn't initially confident on the quality of service I kept my old copper-ADSL (with a different ISP, mostly because that ISP for complicated couldn't use the new fibre so I had to go to a different ISP) and associated phone. I'm currently cancelling this old line and moving the phone number to the new ISP, so when that's done I won't be able to call them from my landline in case of a failure.
And cell phone coverage is patchy, so a voice call would probably work, though I'm not sure it would when I'm deep in my basement where the router is, and if they had an outage webpage it wouldn't really help me as it's unlikely the
5G4G3G2Gwhat's below 2G? connection would load any webpage in a reasonable time.
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
(Only had a 1903 ISO, so the machine is now spending lots of time downloading updates)
Bit late now I guess but the Media Creation Tool is a thing for getting more recent ISOs.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
what's below 2G?
Nothing these days. IIRC 2G was the first digital network. Analog mobile networks are long dead.
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
Bit late now I guess but the Media Creation Tool is a thing for getting more recent ISOs.
Duh.
Hope this isn't indicative of the rest of the day...
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
what's below 2G?
Nothing
(that's not really the joke I was making, but it does fit quite nicely with what I was trying to say...)
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@Zerosquare that's just large-packet UDP
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@Zerosquare An oldie but goodie:
12 years later, I wonder in how many places this would still be true. Especially since it's unlikely that nowadays "a 4GB memory stick [...] took another hour to upload the data" so the pigeon would be faster than before (also the stick could be made much larger).
ETA: at the bottom of the above page:
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@remi what was it, never underestimate the bandwidth of a passenger vehicle filled with physical media? Amazon still sends Snowball devices out for Glacier, even, last I heard.
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@error_bot exactly my point, thank you.
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Meanwhile, as usual, Google "xkcd physical bandwidth" returned what I really wanted as its first result (and it's not even a "true" XKCD but a what-if).
Let's see what our bot would have said had I asked it that same question rather than riffing on its inability to actually find what it's supposed to find?
@error_bot !xkcd physical bandwidth
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
its inability to actually find what it's supposed to find
I rest my case.
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Amateurs
@error_bot xkcd attachment interactivity
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Why?
If the symbol was defined the functions inside
#ifndef
get stripped by the pre-processor and since I'm actually using them ... error?Sounds like a caching issue...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Sounds like a caching issue...
Gotta cache 'em all!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
Expected effect if, counter-factually, the symbol was defined: Linker error.
Why?
If the symbol was defined the functions inside
#ifndef
get stripped by the pre-processor and since I'm actually using them ... error?Sounds like a caching issue...
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Sounds like a caching issue...
Gotta cache 'em all!
Bugémon!
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
Meanwhile, as usual, Google "xkcd physical bandwidth" returned what I really wanted as its first result (and it's not even a "true" XKCD but a what-if).
The bot would leverage Google but they actively and aggressively block bot traffic to their search engine. Instead I use the Explain XKCD fan site's search engine. But yeah, what-ifs are outside the purview of what the bot can show. (Though they don't have to be, if there's demand.)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@HardwareGeek said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Sounds like a caching issue...
Gotta cache 'em all!
Bugémon!
I hear cache invalidation is an easy problem.
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@error said in The Official Status Thread:
But yeah, what-ifs are outside the purview of what the bot can show. (Though they don't have to be, if there's demand.)
Well, if you implemented what-ifs (and maybe an OS or two) that’d give @Gąska ten minutes to compose a more complete rant without being under pressure.
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@error said in The Official Status Thread:
Bugémon!
I hear cache invalidation is an easy problem.
Only if you have to rename it.
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@dcon no, no, renaming is also the easy part. you just generate the names right, and the invalidation takes care of itself.
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Status: Just started watching “Love and monsters.” In the intro the protagonist narrates:
So for the last seven years I’ve been living in an underground bunker. It’s not- it’s not as bad as it sounds. Really.
Assuming production started before the pandemic, this seems like eery foreshadowing.
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@topspin I've already lost any hope the mask mandates will ever end.
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Status: Logging in with 2FA token app. I started entering the code 2 seconds before it expired. Didn't have a good look, so had to guess one digit. Success
There goes my luck reserve for the rest of the week.
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status We're supposed to connect via VPN every so often. So I did. Then I did
sudo something
. Ah fuck, that's right. Big Brother is watching now so sudo has to call home first. Now it's stuck.kill -9 <pid>
Screw it, I'll do that tomorrow after I drop off VPN. (I'll leave it overnight now so it can tattle on everything I've done)
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
sudo has to call home first.
One would think if you get a session started that one could thence disable that...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
sudo has to call home first.
One would think if you get a session started that one could thence disable that...
. I don't need VPN to actually do my work. Just when I need to access a corporate website (like the password changing one). So in general, I just don't bother connecting.
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
Warning: Double negatives detected
That's fully intentional because it's an opt-out flag that's by default not defined.
#define FOO_SUPPORTED #ifdef NO_FOO_SUPPORT #undef FOO_SUPPORTED #endif #ifdef FOO_SUPPORTED run_teh_codez(); #endif
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