An '86 Mac Plus Goes Up Against An '07 AMD DualCore. You Won't Believe Who Wins, And Then You'll Be Inspired
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Oh no, she's gone into "talking like there's a stick up ass mode" now. Normal human conversation is gone.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/09/654Braixen.png/250px-654Braixen.png
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@blakeyrat said:
Oh no, she's gone into "talking like there's a stick up ass mode" now. Normal human conversation is gone.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/09/654Braixen.png/250px-654Braixen.png
that's a stick in the tail, not up the arse, but i do appreciate the effort.
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that's a stick in the tail, not up the arse, but i do appreciate the effort.
Not in this picture, but there are unofficial ones where the stick is where blakeyrat said.
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Not in this picture, but there are unofficial ones where the stick is where blakeyrat said.
i'm sure there are. Rule 34 is a thing unfortuantely
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I just wanna know did that tactic (switching your speech patterns and vocabulary to that of a 18th century Commander Data) work back in debate class? Like, what the hell? Where did you pick that up, and what is it supposed to accomplish?
If you're thinking it lends an air of authority, then... uh. You wrong.
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I agree with what blakeyrat just said!
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I just wanna know did that tactic (switching your speech patterns and vocabulary to that of a 18th century Commander Data) work back in debate class?
I wouldn't know, i never found it necessary to use this "tactic" as you call it. In debate class There were rules that were followed, it was actually possible to win the debate, and i could gracefully bow out if i lost it.here there apparently are no rules, and gracefully bowing out is seen as "ragequitting" apparently.
what is it supposed to accomplish?
it's supposed to end the "debate"
I've "debated" with you before. there's no way to win as you twist the rules to your favour and are incapable of, or refuse to, admit that others may have valid points. I am not interested in such a "argument" and so i will not participate.
as for where i picked up the phrasing? congratulations! you have successfully detected one of my warning signs! and one of the earlier ones at that! give yourself a big fat pat on the back!
If you're thinking it lends an air of authority, then... uh. You wrong.
Then it's lucky that i'm not using it to project an air of authority, but rather as a warning.
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it's supposed to end the "debate"
In other words, you make your posts even more of a pain to read in order to make the people on the other side of the debate unwilling to keep going.
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you have successfully detected one of my warning signs!
What's this sign warning blakey of?
Do you go Shakespearean if he doesn't heed the mystery warning?
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What's this sign warning blakey of?
that he's starting to annoy me.
Much like Bruce Banner I have a warning system, You won't like me when i'm angry.
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@accalia said:
You won't like me when i'm angry.
Sorry, but I can't take that seriously.
I'm afraid that's your problem, not mine.
I've said i'm not "debating" with blakey, i've laid out the reasons why. You have done nothing to show me that my reasons are in any way erroneous or misguided. Thus my decision stands.
Good day to you.
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Sure software is bloated. Moreso than in the 80s? I'm not exactly sure. In fact the leading trend in the unix world seems to be to go minimalist (X - wich has frequently been called an operating system on its own - is being replaced by Wayland, Sendmail will eventually reach EOL IIRC, etc).
Tanembaum for example gives other reasons (the computer constantly probes to see if new devices are conected, etc) and gives as an example the fact that his PDP-11 booted faster than a new(ish) machine. Did we really need another "benchmark" for this?
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In fact the leading trend in the unix world seems to be to go minimalist
What is systemd again?
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Last time I checked it was a broken DHCP server?
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Last time I checked it was a broken DHCP server?
I thought it was the ultimate minimalism in programming. There's only one application on your computer. it does everything, and because of that it's the most minimal there can possibly be!
It's impossible to get more minimal than that!
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The sole exception to the rule . Also if you consider its size, it's pretty small for an operating system + time sincronization daemon + ls replacement + package management tool + container replacement + HTTP server.... (I haven't used linux in a while so I'm not even sure of what subsystem is it currently replacing).
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Who doesn't understand how to use pivot tables?
Apparently lots of people. From my sister's fb feed it would seem they are the bane of her existence.
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You can lose even more with stones and pounds. 200lb = 14st4
But stones are terrible to your kidneys
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it's supposed to end the "debate"
... how?
as for where i picked up the phrasing? congratulations! you have successfully detected one of my warning signs!
Ok, first of all, being a "warning sign" doesn't tell me where you picked up the phrasing.
Secondly, warning me of what? I don't know what I'm being warned of.
A warning that you're about to lose the debate? Is that it? I'm confused.
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What's this sign warning blakey of?Do you go Shakespearean if he doesn't heed the mystery warning?
Set status: Defcon 5. That's right, people, we're going FULL CHAUCER!
"Sir! They have a counter-move to FULL CHAUCER!"
"You can't mean..."
"That's right. They've... they've learned Middle English."
"This conflict just won't end until both sides are speaking Proto-Indo-European, will it?"
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I'm starting to use pivot tables more, but I still don't have a good feel for when they're the solution. I've started to do it whenever I can't figure out how to get a chart to convey what I want, though, and it usually seems to help.
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Yeah, that's a good heuristic.For me, it's more like anytime I want to run analysis that's more complex than a simple summation. If I want to know, say, how the number of promotions on a platform relates to the number of incidents on that platform, and what I have is a list of events with type (promotion or incident), date, and platform, I can shove all that into a table and pivot on it to do the summation by date, relationship, and slicing by platform.
If what I had, however, was the number of promotions and incidents per month on each platform, I don't need a pivot table, the analysis has already been done and I just want to show it.
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No pivot charts then?
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You don't need word. You need a browser. Thats where Discourse lives!
What the hell? You’re saying there’s things Word can’t do?!If you ever feel like powering the machine on, just necro this topic
I’d first have to [url=http://www.keacher.com/1216/how-i-introduced-a-27-year-old-computer-to-the-web/]jump through hoops[/url] to get it to work, which I don’t exactly feel like.
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Speaking of, I still have a usable Mac SE lying around. It boots and runs, but it's a royal PITA to find software that works on it, and copy it onto it, considering that all it has is a floppy drive and SCSI, plus Appletalk networking and an Ethernet card that I don't remember if I have the drivers for, and which doesn't support DHCP anyways. Meanwhile, none of my newer computers have floppy drives, I don't have any SCSI drives, and I have no clue how to get anything modern working with Appletalk networking.
If I managed to get around all of that, find an aincent copy of Word, then I could use it on that thing, whose monitor size is disturbingly close to that of my phone.
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I'm always mystified by people who work in software and yet are completely uninterested in learning how extremely popular software programs or processes work.
Ahem. git Ahem.
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I know how Git works, I just wish I didn't.
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Pivot table implies pivot chart. Managers grok charts, so if it's for anything but my personal consumption it has to get charted.
For example, "hey fucksticks, we need more servers because our load has tripled in the past 3 months" means nothing to them. You have to present them a chart that has only one possible conclusion so they can draw it themselves and take the credit.
So I spend most of my time making professional judgements and then cherrypicking pretty datasets that support my conclusion.
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Speaking of, I still have a usable Mac SE lying around. It boots and runs, but it's a royal PITA to find software that works on it, and copy it onto it, considering that all it has is a floppy drive and SCSI, plus Appletalk networking and an Ethernet card that I don't remember if I have the drivers for, and which doesn't support DHCP anyways. Meanwhile, none of my newer computers have floppy drives, I don't have any SCSI drives, and I have no clue how to get anything modern working with Appletalk networking.
If I managed to get around all of that, find an aincent copy of Word, then I could use it on that thing, whose monitor size is disturbingly close to that of my phone.
I still have my SE. It's similarly equipped, it would seem (dual 1.44M floppies, an internal 200M SCSI hard drive and an [URL=http://www.asante.com/downloads/legacy/macconmlrb.pdf]Asante MacCon+ SE[/URL] Ethernet card.) I still use it occasionally for playing old games and for making 800K floppies from downloaded images (so my Apple IIGS can use them.)
Sadly, Asante no longer has the Ethernet drivers available for download, at least not linked from any place I can find. On the other hand, since Google was able to find the installation manual, maybe the driver is also still available via an unlisted URL. (Fortunately, I retained my copy of the installer's disk image when I downloaded it years ago.)
The Ethernet is slow (10BaseT, 10Base2 or AUI), but it works and Apple has a TCP/IP stack (an add-on for System 6 and built-in to System 7.) I can use Telnet and FTP to reach the rest of the world. There exist compatible web browsers, but I've never bothered trying one out. I can print via LPR protocol to a PostScript printer using the LaserWriter 8 driver. (It also works for sending jobs via LPR to a print server that uses GhostScript to convert PS to the printer's native language.)
Modern Macs no longer support AppleTalk, but System 7.5.5 (the most recent version that works on an SE) will support Apple File Sharing protocol over IP. I've used that to mount volumes from servers running Mac OS X. It has not been stable in the other direction (sharing the SE's volume for a modern Mac client to access.)
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Slight tangent, but I kind of feel like people who don't understand how and when to use pivot tables aren't really using Excel.
I once had a student that spent hours each month collating customers and balances manually in a spreadsheet with all sorts of complicated filters, and manual work galore. She brought this to my attention and I asked her to bring an anonymized dataset and tell me what she wanted to do with it.
The next week, I opened the dataset and she started to explain what she does, I stopped her and asked what her final goal was. In less than 10 seconds I had done the work that she had been spending literally hours per month, every month.
Her jaw dropped. It was one of those occasions where you get to see a student's eyes light up. That was a year ago and it was the last class I taught and she emailed me just the other day to thank me again because I showed her a way to save so much work.
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Who doesn't understand how to use pivot tables?
Have you ever met a user IRL?
There's a wizard, it basically does it for you.
It could do it for you while giving you a prostate massage and users still wouldn't bother to learn how.
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Nice, mine has some version of System 7 on it that I long since lost or trashed the disks for. I'm pretty sure the weird torx driver to open it suffered the same fate. At one point, I had a USB floppy drive, which was the only workable way I found to get software from something more modern onto it.
IIRC, the last time I messed with it, there was a TCP stack, but it didn't support DHCP, so it wouldn't get set up automatically from my router. I tried to manually setup the IP info, but it didn't seem to want to work for some reason. Gonna guess that didn't come until OS 8 or 9.
I try to have as little to do with printers as possible, so I don't really know anything about that.
Given how much of a pain it is to do anything sort of useful with it, I half think I should get rid of it or turn it into a fishtank or something.
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Have you ever met a user IRL?
Plenty. Never met an Excel monkey who couldn't work a fucking pivot table.
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Never met an Excel monkey who couldn't work a fucking pivot table.
You haven't looked hard enough. Around here you can't swing a dead cat without hitting 3 of them.
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I guess I fail at Excel, I've yet to find an occasion for pivot tables...
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Americans could lose a lot of weight just by adopting the metric system like us otters.
They could also lose a lot of weight by moving to Mars or Ceres.
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I've yet to find an occasion for pivot tables...
Don't worry ... some day it will sneak upon you in the form of a reporting question... you'll have two choices: fear that day and just do it manually or embrace the dark side and pivot that shit.
If you take option 2, before long you will be pivoting all the tables. Just until you start asking yourself 'why did I do that? It has one column and 5 rows.'
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Secondly, warning me of what?
That over the next few posts she's gonna start behaving like a bratty child. It is, well, a tactic...
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I introduce you to q
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What the hell? You’re saying there’s things Word can’t do?!
Well, technically it can, given that there's a Turing complete VB built in.
It's all a question of feasibility...
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Liar
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That over the next few posts she's gonna start behaving like a bratty child.
No, it's more of a "we're going down the road to a flame war here" "tone of voice". Similar to someone taking. Very. Slowly. And. Annunciating. Each. Word. Like. This.
Of course text doesn't convey that particularly well and in this forum you're likely to get trolled into a flame war anyways, so the effectiveness probably leaves some to be desired. Especially in a forum that doesn't really care if you're getting pissed off...