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My mother is a teacher, and despises her union. They do nothing for her except take part of her paycheck. Unions solved a problem a long time ago, but most of them don't seem to help anymore. They certainly do not encourage her to teach in any way.
Teachers' unions, and the education system in general, actually do a good job of forwarding the SJW agenda
You would have to be utterly stupid if you thought the things that affected the ideology that a teacher teaches come from anywhere but his/her own opinions. I promise you, if a teacher holds a stupid opinion, just like any normal person, it was not put there by their employer. They already had it
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if a teacher holds a stupid opinion, just like any normal person, it was not put there by their employer.
Maybe you'd like to argue that point with the person who said it was? Hint: it wasn't me, check with your shoulder aliens.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Hi there. Just popping into see if you have enough trolling to keep you busy for the rest of the week, or did you want me to mention AdBlock?
Hmm... whoosh, I guess?
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So modern democracy isn't that much different from medieval monarchy, except now there's no single person to blame for anything, so it's easier to get away with whatever shit you do.
Yeah. Thanks, Obama.
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How the fuck is the police involved?
"[the family] were reported missing". It's right there in the first non-bold paragraph. (Well, it is now, I dunno about the time you posted.)
@aliceif's suggestion, or else a family or neighbor calling the cops, are the most likely explanation.
[preemptive
here, just in case]
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@blakeyrat said:
Is going to Turkey illegal if you live in the UK?
It can be illegal to leave the country in some circumstances... for example if you go there with the intention to do something illegal (female genital mutilation being the most common example), but that doesn't seem the case here.
Illegal under UK law? Dafuq. So theoretically they could jail every kid that goes to Amsterdam to have a spliff or three?
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The US South made a lot more money when they had slaves.
Yeah, everyone's aware of the industrial might and financial juggernaut that was the antebellum South, and how it's never regained its position as a world jewel.
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These are dark times, there is no denying. Our world has perhaps faced
no greater threat than it does today. But I say this to our citizenry:
We, ever your servants, will continue to defend your liberty and repel
the forces that seek to take it from you! Your Ministry remains, strong.
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Unions solved a problem a long time ago, but most of them don't seem to help anymore. They certainly do not encourage her to teach in any way.
Most of the times that I've heard anything about teachers' unions, they were actually fighting for decent wages and working conditions. I grew up in places that had no unions, and the teachers were barely making enough to live on and buy some basic school supplies. Many of them had no real drive to teach anymore. It's unfortunate that your mother's union is worthless, but I think the lack of a union is not really a better alternative.
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Most of the times that I've heard anything about teachers' unions, they were actually fighting for decent wages and working conditions.
Did you hear about how after Act 10 passed in Wisconsin, most of the school districts realized massive savings simply by being able to shop around for health insurance? See, before then, they were required to use a union-owned insurance company with really high rates. Suddenly, when the districts weren't forced to use the union's insurance company, the company was able to offer much lower rates, that were in line with commercial entities. Some relatively small districts were seeing their budgets develop near-million-dollar surpluses, with no loss of coverage.
Or you could look into New York City's rubber rooms, if you want to see an instance of how unions can actually do bad stuff.
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Maybe you'd like to argue that point with the person who said it was? Hint: it wasn't me, check with your shoulder aliens.
education system in general, actually do a good job of forwarding the SJW agenda
Hmm, seems to be the same person and avatar. I guess I assumed you were against the SJW agenda. Any teacher that forwards an agenda other than teaching unbiased facts is not a true teacher, but an average idiot who was allowed to stand in front of students. This was not done out of malice, but instead out of incompetence.I think the lack of a union is not really a better alternative.
I agree, I'd rather unions have to restart though. Now that they are entrenched they often have no reason to exist. Unions should be a temporary thing. They should form to combat a problem, fix the problem, and then disband after the problem is gone.
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See, before then, they were required to use a union-owned insurance company with really high rates.
That's... actual bullshit right there. Were they at least using those profits to cover the entirety of the union's operating costs, with surpluses going back to the teachers themselves or the schools?
Or you could look into New York City's rubber rooms, if you want to see an instance of how unions can actually do bad stuff.
...That also looks like some serious bullshit.
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It's wrong to give people free money and political power because their ancestor convinced your dumb shit ancestor that God loved him more.
A bit, but not enough for it to matter that much.They don't really have any power, and there are lots more people getting free money just for being born in the right place.
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I agree, I'd rather unions have to restart though. Now that they are entrenched they often have no reason to exist. Unions should be a temporary thing. They should form to combat a problem, fix the problem, and then disband after the problem is gone.
This seems fairly reasonable. There may be some issues with getting them up and running from scratch in a timely manner, though. There would have to be some planning involved. Perhaps an adaptation of the FEMA Incident Command System for teachers' issues would work well.
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The whole concept is that they would be organic. You don't need a union for a large group of like minded workers to go "Fuck you I'm not working in this atrocious condition"
Or you could look into New York City's rubber rooms
The rubber room concept is heavily used by Japan. When a company wants to fire someone, there is social pressure not to do so. Instead, they sit them in a small office and pay them to stare at a wall, in the hopes that they will quit
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The whole concept is that they would be organic. You don't need a union for a large group of like minded workers to go "Fuck you I'm not working in this atrocious condition"
Yes, but they'd still need to be organized, which is really what the ICS is about.
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Now that they are entrenched they often have no reason to exist. Unions should be a temporary thing.
I'd have a lot fewer problems with unions if they had to recertify every few years. But that only applies to private sector unions.
All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.
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The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.
I honestly don't think most republicans actually bother to think about how their candidates will govern education when deciding who to vote for. If they did, maybe teachers wouldn't need unions in the first place.
EDIT: Actually, I vaguely recall "eliminate the Department of Education" being one of the big selling points for Republican candidates in the last election, so it would be more accurate to say that most republicans don't bother to think about how their candidates' education policies will affect education.
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I honestly don't think most republicans actually bother to think about how their candidates will govern education when deciding who to vote for.
Yes, you have a lot of odd opinions that don't make much sense. FYI, the paragraph you quoted was from one of FDR's letters. See raw of that post for the cite.
EDIT: Actually, I vaguely recall "eliminate the Department of Education" being one of the big selling points for Republican candidates in the last election, so it would be more accurate to say that most republicans don't bother to think about how their candidates' education policies will affect education.
Yes, but when you started reading this thread you thought teachers' unions were awesome. I think we all should have learned that your opinions are not very well informed.
OH! The tragedy of all those Federal school closings that would ensue should the DoEd go away!
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FYI, the paragraph you quoted was from one of FDR's letters. See raw of that post for the cite.
That's cool. I've not always agreed with all of FDR's policies.Yes, but when you started reading this thread you thought teachers' unions were awesome. I think we all should have learned that your opinions are not very well informed.
I'm not a teacher, so I haven't really looked into it. From my experience, the lack of a teacher's union is decidedly not awesome, though.OH! The tragedy of all those Federal school closings that would ensue should the DoEd go away!
Do you even realize how much money the Department of Education provides to schools around the country?
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Hmm, seems to be the same person and avatar. I guess I assumed you were against the SJW agenda. Any teacher that forwards an agenda other than teaching unbiased facts is not a true teacher, but an average idiot who was allowed to stand in front of students. This was not done out of malice, but instead out of incompetence.
Today in Reading Comprehension 101, let's examine a typical example of how things can go wrong:
@response to shoulder alienated version said:
if a teacher holds a stupid opinion, just like any normal person, it was not put there by their employer.
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Teachers' unions, and the education system in general, actually do a good job of forwarding the SJW agenda
Now, who in the class can tell me where in the original text is anything about opinions coming from employers?
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I'm not a teacher, so I haven't really looked into it
You're not a Republican, either.
Do you even realize how much money the Department of Education provides to schools around the country?
Do we really need a cabinet level department to write checks?
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Do we really need a cabinet level department to write checks?
And try to make sure those checks are being put to good use? Yeah, probably.
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Generally the education system employs educators.
True, but how do you know the educators didn't have said stupid opinions before the applied for their jobs in the first place? Hint: you have to go to college to be a teacher. Now kindly quit doubling down and admit that you read things into my post that weren't there.
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And try to make sure those checks are being put to good use?
So your solution to curbing wasteful / misguided spending is to sic the US Government on it? Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Paging @accalia for ze reaction meme
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So your solution to curbing wasteful / misguided spending is to sic the US Government on it?
But as you were already so kind to point out, it's already got the US Government on it. But without the DoEd added on, there's no checks on the checks.
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Paging @accalia for ze reaction meme
I am Mistress @accalia, Sultanatrix of Swypos, I have been summoned, and so i appear.
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Wrong reaction ._.
And you were just hassling me about taking
reaction memesmatters into my own hands.
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We've arrested people who were planning to join ISIS life al-shabob our whatever that Ethiopian terrorist group is.
can people be arrested for planning something now?
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Wrong reaction ._.
really? i thought it rather apropos
And you were just hassling me about taking reaction memesmatters into my own hands.
you can take reaction memes into your own hands! just make your own!
also, i did say
!although now that i think of it that's probably not been added to the WTDWTF meme faq.....
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What I said was that it wasn't any system that forwards the agenda, it is individuals.
So your solution to curbing wasteful / misguided spending is to sic the US Government on it
A department of education can be substantially helpful to manage learning standards and the like. However, our current department of education is so absolutely inept in terms of developing standards. Mostly because none of the administration seems to have actual experience teaching.Also you seem very concerned about "wasteful" spending. Take a look at these charts please:
Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go
In fiscal year 2014, the federal government will spend around $3.8 trillion. These trillions of dollars make up a considerable chunk - around 22 percent - of the US. economy, as measured by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). That means that federal government spending makes up a sizable share of all...
(However I do always like to point out that a well funded US military is a positive thing because they do fund many civilian initiatives and scientific research)
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you can take reaction memes into your own hands! just make your own!
I got mine from google! :<
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We have a what now?
well it's more of a wiki really and no one bothers keeping it up to date
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Oh I found that. I thought you meant we had a giant list of common image macros
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A department of education can be substantially helpful to manage learning standards and the like. However, our current department of education is so absolutely inept in terms of developing standards. Mostly because none of the administration seems to have actual experience teaching.
I'd rather that sort of thing be more locally controlled.
Also you seem very concerned about "wasteful" spending. Take a look at these charts please:https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
(However I do always like to point out that a well funded US military is a positive thing because they do fund many civilian initiatives and scientific research)
Yes, we've converted from a military with a pension plan to a pension plan with a military. There are other good things that come from a well funded military. Which isn't to say that it's all wisely spent, of course.
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Oh I found that. I thought you meant we had a giant list of common image macros
oh that.... nah i just have a folder in grive that has a bunch of them
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Do you even realize how much money the Department of Education provides to schools around the country?
Has it occurred to you that if the Fed didn't take quite so much money from all the localities, they would have a bit more to fund things themselves?
Not everything has to be federalized.
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I'd rather that sort of thing be more locally controlled
There is almost always a state level DoE, but in the end they need to answer to a higher power in terms of learning standards so that states in the south wont be able to completely strike evolution from their textbooks.Which isn't to say that it's all wisely spent
Everyone knows the government mishandles money like mad. I'm sure all large organizations do. I'm all for cinching the belt, but who do you put in charge of what to cut?Not everything has to be federalized
I came from a poor as dirt area. My mother had three children and a shit paying job. I wouldn't have an education if it wasn't for federalized funding, precisely because our state's contribution does not outweigh our needs. Is it fair? I don't know. I do know however that the entire point of the "American Dream" mentality is that I should have an equal chance at life, including attempting to get the best education I can.Socialism is not a good idea for most things, but spreading a little wealth to invest in the future of your youth is usually a good bet
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Has it occurred to you that if the Fed didn't take quite so much money from all the localities, they would have a bit more to fund things themselves?
Has it occurred to you that not every locality has the funds to properly manage a school system?
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I came from a poor as dirt area. My mother had three children and a shit paying job. I wouldn't have an education if it wasn't for federalized funding, precisely because our state's contribution does not outweigh our needs. Is it fair? I don't know. I do know however that the entire point of the "American Dream" mentality is that I should have an equal chance at life, including attempting to get the best education I can.
Socialism is not a good idea for most things, but spreading a little wealth to invest in the future of your youth is usually a good bet
QFT
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Has it occurred to you that not every locality has the funds to properly manage a school system?
Wow, gee, that never occurred to me! And it's not as if there's these intermediate things called states, that the people who set up the basic design for this country intended to be the main governmental unit because they knew the drawbacks to centralized governance!
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My entire state is poor as dirt sir.
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@Fox said:
Has it occurred to you that not every locality has the funds to properly manage a school system?
Wow, gee, that never occurred to me! And it's not as if there's these intermediate things called states, that the people who set up the basic design for this country intended to be the main governmental unit because they knew the drawbacks to centralized governance!
Because states just love spending money on education, right?
Also, yeah, not all states have much money to begin with.
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there is no "we" that includes both you and me.
I can easily define several classes of "we" that include both you and @boomzilla (and me, but that's not particularly relevant):
- Users of this forum
- Residents of the United States
- Native speakers of
EnglishAmerican, or at least demonstrating fluency consistent with being a native speaker
- Humans (presumably this includes you, although I'm not completely convinced)
Therefore, on its face the statement that "there is no 'we' that includes both [you] and [boomzilla]" is demonstrably false.
If we take this statement within the context of the discussion, we might assume an implicit additional restriction on the class, that of having arrested someone for the specified (alleged) crime. Class one contains no members (AFAIK) that have arrested anybody, nor have all members of the other classes. However, it is fairly common in American English, and likely in other languages, to (implicitly) define classes "we" (or "they") to include the population of a geopolitical unit or other corporate body when discussing action by the body, even though all members of the body did not individually participate in the action. The class definition @boomzilla was presumably using was something one might call 2a: The US citizenry as a whole, acting through the agency of the leaders chosen by the citizenry and executed by the hired employees thereof.
Including you in the "we" defined by class 2a requires the knowledge or assumption that you are a citizen of the country in which you reside. While this is not generally known with certainty, at least by me, it is not an unreasonable assumption under the circumstances: You are known to reside in the US, and to have done so at least as long as I have been active on TDWTF. You display language fluency (despite your persistent refusal to recognize implicit allusions or draw inferences of any sort), as already mentioned. You display knowledge of the geographic area in which you live, as well as politics and such, consistent with long-term residency. Your real name, which has been mentioned here in connection with tweets (or something; I don't remember exactly) and is readily discoverable from whois, is not one that suggests the likelihood of recent immigration, and if you were actually a recent immigrant from the region from which your family name (if I remember it correctly; it's been months, if not longer, since I looked up your domain) appears to originate, one would expect you would not have the ignorance of European flags you claim in the Polandball topic. Therefore, I conclude that it is reasonable to believe you to be a member of class 2a, or at least a 2b that is an extension of 2a to include permanent residents as well as de jure citizens. Thus, even within the limited context of this discussion, there is a legitimate "we" that includes both you and Boomzilla, and your statement is still false.
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Also, yeah, not all states have much money to begin with.
You and @mrguyorama both know that we've had a couple of decades of ever-increasing spending on education with no measurable improvement in outcome, right? Doesn't that suggest we don't need to keep throwing every-increasing piles of money at schools?
Geez, I don't even have enough moustache wax to do a proper evil twirl, so I'm not saying NO MONIES FOR YOUR KIDZ SCHOOLZ!!1!two
