Bort is a poop floating in a toilet with the other poops poop (Star Trek)
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My mistake. I just clicked the buttons in the editor, I guess I shouldn't have expected those to actually do anything useful.
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It's like they wrote him out of the show but didn't actually fire him.
I couldn't find anything with a quick Google search. Maybe they just felt they didn't have as much use for the character as they envisioned, but didn't want to let the actor go?
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useful
YMBNH.
Back on topic, correction accepted. But that makes my point: they were supposed to be important. The two crews interacting, it was supposed to be a storyline. Instead, I don't even remember the name proper. And my capability to remember useless information is pretty damned high.
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THAT'S why you didn't watch it?
I might have watched the first episode and it didn't click. I don't really remember after all this time.
I have a coworker who liked the show a lot. It's on my list of shows to give another chance if I ever get the time.
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The two crews interacting, it was supposed to be a storyline.
You can probably put any such complaint on that show down to the aforementioned "shitty writers and no show bible". All the early conflict revolved around the Maquis wanting to steal Voyager and...uh...well, they didn't really have a plan or motivation. While it could've been an interesting long-running plot given competent writers, frankly, we're probably better off that they did mostly drop it.
For example, late in the run, there was an episode where some Maquis guy had, as it turns out, years before brainwashed half the Maquis, and he triggered them in the episode to take over the ship and dump the Starfleet crew on a planet somewhere. The entire idea was exceptionally stupid, even for this show: the Maquis weren't mindless drones, they just had their motivation changed. Abandoning the Starfleet crew would've left them probably unable to fly Voyager. They were still decades from home, too, so all they would do was strand themselves in an an unfamiliar section of the galaxy.
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You should definitely watch it.
I might RE-watch it when I'm done with UFO, because I ain't got nothing else in the queue. The obvious thing would be Space: 1999 but I've already watched that enough for a lifetime I think.
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The Maquis thing was basically replaced by Ceska, the one traitor was was like the "one-woman army" when it came to espionage against Voyager.
Personally, I still want an explanation of how there were like 25+ Maquis crew members when those Maquis fighters only seat like 6 (as seen MANY TIMES in both DS9 and the last season of Next Gen), and there was only one fighter.
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The Maquis thing was basically replaced by Ceska, the one traitor was was like the "one-woman army" when it came to espionage against Voyager.
Yes, and I was SO glad when they finally killed her off, and pissed off when they did that dumb reprisal a couple seasons later.
Personally, I still want an explanation of how there were like 25+ Maquis crew members when those Maquis fighters only seat like 6 (as seen MANY TIMES in both DS9 and the last season of Next Gen), and there was only one fighter.
Other than the perennial scapegoat, dumb writers, you just have to, I guess, assume it wasn't one of those fighters. Pretend it was a small troop transport or something I guess.
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I hated the episode with the Rock where the Klingong lady and 7 were pro-wrasslers.
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Other than the perennial scapegoat, dumb writers, you just have to, I guess, assume it wasn't one of those fighters. Pretend it was a small troop transport or something I guess.
BUT IT WAS THE SAME MODEL IN THE SPECIAL EFFECTS! HOW COULD IT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SHIP IF ITS THE SAME MODEL!
It doesn't make the hurting go away!
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My mistake. I just clicked the buttons in the editor, I guess I shouldn't have expected those to actually do anything useful.
Buttons aren't intended to be use. You should use the keyboard shortcut-- wait, no, those aren't intended to be used for bolding. You should use the button... umm......
All the early conflict revolved around the Maquis wanting to steal Voyager and...uh...well, they didn't really have a plan or motivation. While it could've been an interesting long-running plot given competent writers, frankly, we're probably better off that they did mostly drop it.
That would have made for an interesting long-term conflict. A military leader in charge of a stranded crew, trying to keep order in a hostile, unknown environment, aboard what is effectively a military ship. An a civilian leader who represents the people, with equal but different rights and powers, trying to keep the "society" from being completely militarized, despite the situation. There would be constant conflicts, especially when it comes to making hard decisions from a military perspective, or a civilian perspective-- especially if both points of view are technically correct.
Of course, we had that. It was called Battlestar Galactica, and it helped revitalize and reshape sci-fi drama. =P
Seriously, though, how cool would it have been if some statute of The Federation allowed Marquis to form a civilian government aboard the Voyager-- say an interpretation of the law classified Voyager as a colony ship. But Janeway is still in charge of the ship itself, because of Starfleet. Now every time she makes a military decision that would harm their journey home, there's real actual conflict and consequences to her actions. And any civilian government arguing to take a risk to get home faster, without fully understanding the military aspect-- or being able to successfully argue AGAINST the military logic-- wow, would have been a way better show.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Now every time she makes a military decision that would harm their journey home, there's real actual conflict and consequences to her actions.
But... but... that would mean Janeway could be wrong! Janeway can never be wrong!
Seriously, what was up with that? Kirk fucked up all the time because, well, it's Kirk, Picard was always by-the-book and calculated, but he still fucked up, Sisko was crying, crying making a log entry when he was dragged into assassinating a Romulan ambassador to drag in the Romulans into the war...
Janeway? Nope, the show says she was right. Deal.
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Or they could have gone the other way, ignored the Maquis angle entirely and focus on the fact that Voyager is, practically speaking, still an untested prototype with lots of dubious design decisions (gel-pack computers, holodecks with an independent power system, etc) that is also in need of constant maintenance, various fuels/materials, and there's no worse ship to be stuck needing to make an extremely long journey in. At the same time, the region of space they're in is, by and large, filled with races with far less technology than they have and getting the things needed to run their ship could be nearly impossible.
They could have been an interesting angle, too. Sure they can go warp 9.98 or whatever in a pinch, but then they got to land on some planet they know nothing about for a week of repairs afterwards.
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BUT IT WAS THE SAME MODEL IN THE SPECIAL EFFECTS! HOW COULD IT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SHIP IF ITS THE SAME MODEL!
One was the super-size version, duh.
Look, Star Trek is a universe where nearly everyone's not just holding the stupid ball all the time, they have it duct-taped to their hands. I am entirely prepared to not refuse to believe they would make two ships that look exactly alike except one's larger than the other[2]. Maybe they ARE the same ship, and the other 19 people were all crowsed in the bathroom, like a bunch of college kids in an outhouse or clowns in a tiny car!
[2] And why not? It looks like the Federation, at least, is more or less in the business of making no two ships look the same.
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Janeway? Nope, the show says she was right. Deal.
Look, after TOS, the show was wildly politically correct. You don't want to insinuate a womyn might be wrong, do you, you sexist patriarchal pig?
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I am entirely prepared to
not refuse tobelieve they would make two ships that look exactly alike except one's larger than the other(del'd for clarity)
then i realized what i was going to say didn't apply.
carry on.
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You're still a poop.
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then i realized what i was going to say didn't apply.
*makes another notch on the fence out back*
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{thinks}
They could have been an interesting angle, too. Sure they can go warp 9.98 or whatever in a pinch, but then they got to land on some planet they know nothing about for a week of repairs afterwards.I like it. Please reboot Voyager once JJ Abrams is done with TOS.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I like it. Please reboot Voyager once JJ Abrams is done with TOS.
If anyone could make Voyager worse, it's JJ Abrams.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I like it. Please reboot Voyager once JJ Abrams is done with TOS.
If anyone could make Voyager worse, it's JJ Abrams.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I like it. Please reboot Voyager once JJ Abrams is done with TOS.
If anyone could make Voyager worse, it's JJ Abrams.
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Discourse: Where "An error occurred" really means "I lied and it actually worked three times."
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I wouldn't mind seeing a TNG reboot by Joss Whedon.
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I'd say they struck a good balance of being alien but still approachable for general audiences by not being too weird
Hmm, About half way through season 3 I had to stop watching as I couldn't work out what the hell was going on any more. I should really try to re-watch to the end, apparently it does all make sense.
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Basically, [spoiler]the Peacekeepers are an army of (evolved) humans fighting a group of reptiles called the Scarrans, and are losing[/spoiler]. Scorpius [spoiler]wants Crichton because the wormhole technology can be used to create wormhole weapons, like blackhole bombs, that would turn the tide of the war.[/spoiler] There's some politicking involved, since John figured this all out and decides he isn't a pawn. Also, Scorpius implanted [spoiler]John with a mind control device that constantly tries to convince John to help the Peacekeepers. Part of its mission is to protect John from danger, so it actually gives him good advice at times.[/spoiler] Finally, there was an alternate reality episode and [spoiler]somehow the crew ends up with two Crichtons. One dies after Aeryn professes eternal love to him and she ends up hating the other John for a long time before hooking up and having a baby.[/spoiler]
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All the stuff with Stark is weird and dumb and also ignore-able. So if it's a Stark episode, just ignore it.
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