In which I accidentally Windows 10
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tell you during the install.
Technically, yes. In 4 point font near the bottom of the introduction screen.
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Technically, yes. In 4 point font near the bottom of the introduction screen.
Uh, no. I don't remember exactly when I saw it but there was a big "hey, you can mark this connection as metered" thing. Maybe I ran into it during one of the betas, I don't remember.
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Are we talking as in Post installation?
Or on the GWT app?
Or during OOBE?
(Images not mine)
It's not trivial or obvious unless you're reading everything before signing on the dotted line.
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Or during OOBE?
probably here. I don't remember exactly when, as I said, but it was something that definitely stood out, not a little "4pt text at the bottom of the window" thing.
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Meh. Bookmarked for the next time I slog through OOBE manually again...
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keep hitting WinKey + C to open the Charms menu to shut down, a[MOBILEQUOTESTRONGTEXT]
+ X still works as well as it did in 8, btw
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I'm pretty sure Windows itself will tell you during the install.
Think about the kind of person would would even sign up to a data plan with a ridiculous excess charge like that. How many of those people, do you think, would have even the faintest idea that installing Windows is a thing that can be done? Windows just comes with the computer.
it was something that definitely stood out, not a little "4pt text at the bottom of the window" thing.
Even if it does turn up on the OOBE: I fix a lot of computers for a lot of people, and I can assure you that 90% of them would have no idea at all what "metered connection" could possibly mean.
Also, the most common way for somebody who ends up on a data plan like that to have acquired it is to go to the supermarket, buy a mysterious little plugin thing from the rack that says "Telstra $30" and take it home. This happens long after OOBE is anything more than a fading memory.
It is just not right for Microsoft to cause gigabytes of unexpected download traffic without warning.
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How many of those people, do you think, would have even the faintest idea that installing Windows is a thing that can be done? Windows just comes with the computer.
All who had Windows >7 and got a popup telling them to upgrade.They'll learn the hard way.
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@mott555 said:
keep hitting WinKey + C to open the Charms menu to shut down, a[MOBILEQUOTESTRONGTEXT]
+ X still works as well as it did in 8, btw
+D then ALT+F4 is still my go to because it works in any version of windows from 98 all the way up to 10.
i think it even works on 95 and 3.11 but i havent tested so cannot be sure
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GWX has also been caught downloading gigabytes of update preload stuff and dumping them in a hidden folder called C:$Windows.~BT even if never asked to.
So I've got this small problem:
It isn't going away no matter how many times I run Disk Cleanup and reboot (not the three times I tried, anyway):
I assume the culprit is GWX so I try to uninstall all of KB3035583, KB2952664 and KB3021917 and every time it gives me:
An error has occurred. Not all of the updates were successfully uninstalled.
And I don't have a $Windows.~BT folder.
I boot up Linux to a) make sure there aren't any Windows shenanigans hiding the folder from me and b) run Disk Usage Analyzer which gives me a nice graphical overview of where the disk space is going.
Turns out the offender is
C:\Windows\winsxs
after all (it's at 12.6GB). That doesn't explain why uninstalling the updates failed and running disk cleanup did nothing, but oh well.So I go reboot to Windows and it tells me it's configuring updates. It does its thing for a few seconds and reboots again (because Windows). Configuring updates again (yup, still Windows). After a couple of seconds it gets stuck for 5 minutes at 100% complete, during which I'm glad this isn't an SSD and I can hear there is IO activity going on, which is reassuring. Then it's a couple of minutes "cleaning up, don't turn off your computer", which is promising.
And finally it gives me a login prompt. The shutdown button in the corner tells me there's still updates to be made, but I login instead.
I've got 4.2GB of free disk space now. (for the time being)
I'm going to reboot again and see what happens. Wish me good luck.
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I'm going to reboot again and see what happens. Wish me good luck.
It shut down and came back again without a trace of doing any update.
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DON'T FORGET
I thought there was a word for this in the language....
REM.... REMEM.... RECUCUMBER?
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That doesn't explain why uninstalling the updates failed and running disk cleanup did nothing
I believe Disk Cleanup is capable of deferring some of the actual deletion work until reboot. For files owned by TrustedInstaller it will Rube Goldberg the Update mechanism for that, which is where the "configuring updates" guff comes from.
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The Windows 8 backup after you upgrade to 10 is actually in a different disk partition.
Your Winsxs folder is probably not nearly as large as you think; typically its size is exaggerated several times by disk space tools that don't compensate for hardlinks.
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size is exaggerated several times
+1 this. According to some scanning disk tools, the Windows folder made up nearly 70% of my disk on a 40 Gb drive, yet I still had things like Office and a few other things installed that would theoretically overbound the limit...
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@blakeyrat said:
size is exaggerated several times
+1 this. According to some scanning disk tools, the Windows folder made up nearly 70% of my disk on a 40 Gb drive, yet I still had things like Office and a few other things installed that would theoretically overbound the limit...heh. indeed. according to one disc scan tool my 120GB system drive has almost 180GB of data and about 5GB free space.
one particularly moronic one i tried happens to blindly follow junction points and reports that i have almost 20 TB stored on my 120GB system drive, thanks to my placing of a junction point to my NAS under C:\NAS
more sophisticated tools that understand about hardlinks and junction points and all that and report 115GB used, 5GB free.
..... i really need to uninstall some shit from that box.
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uninstall some shit from that box.
Or find out that runaway log file that silently eats up your space...
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I believe Disk Cleanup is capable of deferring some of the actual deletion work until reboot. For files owned by TrustedInstaller it will Rube Goldberg the Update mechanism for that, which is where the "configuring updates" guff comes from.
That was quite a deferral there, if I had to go through Linux to get the deletions to apply.
I guess simply restarting wasn't enough, I had to shutdown and startup proper.Your Winsxs folder is probably not nearly as large as you think; typically its size is exaggerated several times by disk space tools that don't compensate for hardlinks.
May be. I don't know. I'll deal in winsxs some other time. I don't feel like messing with system files right now. Four gigas is more than enough space as long as it sticks.
I want to like Microsoft. I'm forever grateful for C# and the .Net Framework and for *some* (may even most) of the OSs they've produced.But I really want to enthusiastically pat the back of whoever thinks abusing people's storage space and bandwidth is acceptable. With a rust pointy implement.
Filed under: <hr>s breaking markdown again.
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storage space and bandwidth
YouTube on Android used to be able to cache your video feed for offline viewing later. This was "accidentally enabled" on a few builds IIRC, and as long as you were on WiFi it would happily fill your SD Card with videos you (might) want to watch overnight.
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worst thing for me is the arbitrary 512-shortcut limit for the new Start Menu.
So, you let my autistic son reconfigure your computer? Be glad there's a limit...
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Wait a minute, hold on, stop right there! You have more than 512 shortcuts on your start menu?
Filed under: No one will need more than 637 kB of memory for a personal computer
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120gb?
And someone else has an 80gb...
It is 2015, folks.
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"Abusing"
Storage space exists to be used.
Bandwidth exists to be used.
The only abuse is NOT using them. It is hardly the OS's fault that you have a 20 year old HDD, or that your ISP is stealing your money by charging for bandwidth and not allowing you to use it.
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well to be fair it's a 120GB SSD with 2TB of spinning rust inside and a 24TB NAS sitting next to it and connected via gigabit.
i probably should upgrade the SSD, but i'm not exactly hurting for storage space and the thing still works so.....
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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It is 2015, folks.
Ya don't say? Where's my crystallic medium storage? Where are the optical computers?
Filed under: Where are my flying cars?!?
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Storage space exists to be used.
Bandwidth exists to be used.
Preferably by me, yes.
I don't mind if it uses my HDD, as long as it doesn't come complaining to me afterwards that I have low disk space (which it did) and it will let me reclaim that space automatically for my own shit (which it won't).
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Remember the good ol' days when we owned computers and the software within it?
Those were nice times.
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I've also set HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate DisableOSUpgrade = 1, for all the good it'll do me.
Btw, this may be useful to someone:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 (How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options)
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But it /is/ the OS's fault for assuming that I'd like to share my bandwidth for other people's OS upgrades.
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Remember the good ol' days when we owned computers and the software within it?
Those were nice times.What do you mean by "were nice times" ?
Oh, right... you're on Windows.
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I'd applaud Microsoft for it.
Peer-to-peer WAN updates mean that ISPs will have a damned hard time justifying stupid, arbitrary bandwidth caps and P2P blocking in the future.
Peer-to-peer LAN updates mean that you won't use as much WAN bandwidth downloading updates.
I was hoping this kind of thing would happen during Comcast's extortion of Netflix -- that NF would refuse to bow and force Comcast's hand -- but that never happened.
At minimum, this will hopefully lead to the complete unmetering of OS updates.
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Hate to break it to you, but you don't own the software on OSX, any flavour of Linux, *BSD, Unix, HP/UX, or any other OS. You're still licensing it. Even under the most permissive licenses, you're still just a licensee.
Unless you're writing your own OS and software completely from scratch, in machine-code, without any external editing tools. If you are, then kudos.
Even then, you have to think of the hardware use license...
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Hate to break it to you, but @Zecc and @TimeBandit used the word "own" in another meaning.
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I don't really care about my hypothetical future kids' internet right now. The world revolves around me.
But yeah, moving towards unmetered connections is a nice thing.
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What hardware use license ?
Where I live, if you sell me something and there is a license attached to its use, you have to make me accept the license BEFORE I buy the product, or your license as ZERO legal value.
According to that law, even the Windows license is invalid.
Try again
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I don't really care about my hypothetical future kids
' internetright now. The world revolves around me.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Hate to break it to you, but you don't own the software on OSX, any flavour of Linux, *BSD, Unix, HP/UX, or any other OS.
You're assuming I'm not the author of any of that stuff, and you're not licensing it from me. (And others, but that's not the point I'm making here.)
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That's why they put the license restrictions on the outside of the box now, along with a URL, and/or link to the license from the online storefront.
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Still invalid since nobody is making me sign the contract BEFORE I buy the product.
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Next phase of the hard sale tactics coming in a few months.
I wonder at what point do they have an MS rep come in and kick you in the nuts if you click "No, I'm really, cross my heart, super serial REALLY sure I don't want to update".
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I wonder at what point do they have an MS rep come in and kick you in the nuts if you click "No, I'm really, cross my heart, super serial REALLY sure I don't want to update".
“You really want us to upgrade? OK, provided you agree to indemnify us against any losses caused by failures to equipment caused by the upgrade. Yes, we have no idea what crapsky drivers the hardware manufacturer shipped the stuff with, but we weren't planning to upgrade the OS ever because we simply do not trust their shit to keep working. We do not trust that the upgrade will be simple to smoothly reverse. BTW, each piece of equipment that we're talking about here costs several million bucks.”
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My VAIO laptop with custom hacked display drivers to enable "stamina mode" switch and a thousand other things, that I barely got working on 8.1 is certainly not getting updated.
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Was going to "I own my software on Linux" but then I realized all games I play are on Steam so I'm as fucked as everyone else.
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Ya don't say? Where's my crystallic medium storage? Where are the optical computers?
WHERE IS MY MOTHERFUCKING****STRONG TEXT JETPACK?!!!!!!!!!!!"°|1
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used the word "own" in another meaning.
A large bird with huge eyes that can rotate its neck fully 360°?
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http://i.imgur.com/7va0OJe.png
Where is my motherfucking working markdown parser?
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