Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop
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@Gąska Things got better from 95 onwards, when you started to get proper memory separation between programs. In 3.1, every running program could scribble over the memory of every other running program (and there were even APIs that required it!) and there was no meaningful user separation either. The scale of damage that any bug could do was… fascinating.
We restricted ourselves to avoid using third-party programs for our game. That would've been unfair…
Don't forget though that 3.1 was much better than the versions of Windows before it. I've used both 2 and 3.0 as well; they were genuinely nasty in their own special ways.
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@flabdablet said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@boomzilla said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Windows 10 has been just as good for me as 8 or 8.1. It hasn't asked me to reboot for a few months, IIRC.
To be fair, you would probably have the same experience with any OS you chose never to boot up in the first place.
Oh, you're using Windows 10? Yeah, that's different.
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@dkf said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Was that the OS version where my friends and I had a challenge among ourselves to find a different way to hang the OS every day? We kept it up for quite a few months…
I found a couple different way to hang it almost every day. And I was not even trying to.
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@dkf said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Was that the OS version where my friends and I had a challenge among ourselves to find a different way to hang the OS every day? We kept it up for quite a few months…
Windows 10 is a huge step up from that.
You don't even HAVE to manually find a way to hang the OS. It does all that work for you.
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@anonymous234 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Windows 10 is pretty good.
Yep, I have had very few problems with it.
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@anonymous234 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@boomzilla I'll be the one to say it. Hold on to your butts:
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...Windows 10 is pretty good.
it's got some glaringly obvious bad points, but on the whole it's pretty good.
it seems they took the best of the stuff that they added in 8 and 8.1 and added in the best that they left behind from windows 7, and added a healthy whack of other goodness in top.
honestly the worst bit of PR they did for windows 10 was those underhanded tactics to try and force the upgrade.
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@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
it seems they took the best of the stuff that they added in 8 and 8.1 and added in the best that they left behind from windows 7, and added a healthy whack of other goodness in top.
and then gave up on other things entirely (like being able to specify a priority order for wireless network connections). I've run into quite a few things like that, which Windows 7 used to be able to do cleanly and easily, that require interacting with the CLI in Windows 10. And I don't even use Windows 10 day-to-day, this has all been on customer boxes.
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@flabdablet said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
and then gave up on other things entirely
yeah, i hope that they add those features back in....
butt honestly most of the missing features don't affect most of their users (most users have a setup where if there is a wireless network they authenticate too it's the only wireless network they authenticate to in range) so the odds of that happening are remote.... unless a business pays them to do it.
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@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
most users have a setup where if there is a wireless network they authenticate too it's the only wireless network they authenticate to in range
Yeah, well. I've just helped resurrect a customer's old 3G to Wifi router after it had spent the last six months in storage after a house move.
Up until now she's been using her phone as a wifi hotspot, but telco idiocy and data plan pricing have pushed her toward re-activating the SIM in the old router as well. So what would be ideal for her is to have Windows connect to the router if her phone's hotspot isn't activated, but automatically switch to the phone when she turns that on.
Windows 10 won't do that - it prioritizes the last SSID you told it to connect to. So now when the router SIM gets near its monthly data limit, then instead of just turning on her phone hotspot, she has to do that and either power down the router in the other room or exercise the wireless connection option on her Windows desktop. She's elderly and easily confused, and she will end up screwing this up and paying the telco at their astonishingly extortionate excess-megabytes rate.
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@flabdablet yeah, you described a situation that's shitty and terrible and not supported by windows 10. that sucks yeah.
my comment though was, even though it sucks that's a situation that is not encountered by a large proportion of the consumer userbase and so is unlikely to be prioritized highly by microsoft, unless a business has that same user case and is big enough to make windows add the support, or pays them to add it anyway.
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@accalia I get that. But what pisses me off some is that Windows 7 already handled this case, and did it cleanly and easily, and the only reason Windows 10 can't is because of
pandering to stupid fatfinger everything is a phone brain worm gratuitous dumbdown fuckeryMetro.Also, related: the half-assed semi-migration of settings from Control Panel to the Metro bullshit Settings app is just inexcusable. If they want to add a fuctfinger Settings app, fine - but why remove existing Control Panel functionality?
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@Lorne-Kates
Not true! I still have to manually press + p and choose "connect to wireless display" to make it hang itself. What year are we in 1981?
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@flabdablet said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Metro
you know what, i love that they had so heavily marketed that word thatn when they got sued for trademark infringement (and lost or settled) so they changed the name to ModernUI..... everyone still calls it metro, unless they work for M$FT
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@flabdablet said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
pandering to stupid fatfinger everything is a phone brain worm gratuitous dumbdown fuckery
For an OS that seems to be pushing for mobility so much it's highly disappointing that its Bluetooth handling is abysmal. It's the only OS where I have to keep pairing my headphones over and over again to get them to connect.
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@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@flabdablet said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Metro
you know what, i love that they had so heavily marketed that word thatn when they got sued for trademark infringement (and lost or settled) so they changed the name to ModernUI..... everyone still calls it metro, unless they work for M$FT
Because "Metro" was such a fuck-stupidly marketing-tarded term that we must never, ever, ever let them forget what they've done.
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@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
it seems they took the best of the stuff that they added in 8 and 8.1 and added in the best that they left behind from windows 7, and added a healthy whack of other goodness in top.
The new UI stuff is better in 10 than in 8, but they've still got a way to go before that's as good as some of the things it replaced. And the apps which want to shill for the Windows Store can DIAF.
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I just toggled Safe Mode from msconfig
So you can't get to the desktop at all? Have you tried running msconfig in safe mode and turning safe mode back off and booting again?
If you can get back to the regular desktop, you can get into safe mode from Settings, which is the right way to do it in 10. (Settings | Update & Recovery | Recovery | Advanced Startup | Restart Now (Which is actually "restart after I tell you what I want to do, which might be 'go into the BIOS/UEFI'")
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@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
unless they work for M$FT
And are talking officially. Because... really... Modern UI? Wut...
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@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@accalia said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
unless they work for M$FT
And are talking officially. Because... really... Modern UI? Wut...
nah, just commenting on the fun with the name, because it's not called metro, but everyone calls it that, so if everyone calls it that then Metro must be a valid name for it, but it's not called metro.
see? is funny!