Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop
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I have a Windows 7 laptop that I upgraded to Windows 10 (reasons are not germaine to this discussion).
I needed to uninstall an application from the computer. That application was buried in boot, and requires a "Safe Mode" removal.
I made the mistake of pushing the computer to Windows 10 before the Safe Mode push.
I'm currently at boot # 62.
This is clearly not working.
Does anyone know how to escape OOBE boot loops?
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@rad131304 Out of body experience boot loops?
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I have a Windows 7 laptop that I upgraded to Windows 10 (reasons are not germaine to this discussion).
I needed to uninstall an application from the computer. That application was buried in boot, and requires a "Safe Mode" removal.
I made the mistake of pushing the computer to Windows 10 before the Safe Mode push.
I'm currently at boot # 62.
This is clearly not working.
Does anyone know how to escape OOBE boot loops?
O.o
You sure you didn't bork the system by removing the application?
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@fbmac Close. "Out Of Box Experience"
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@sloosecannon Not gotten to "remove the app" yet.
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@rad131304 So I pushed "Safe Mode" on OOBE from msconfig ... and it doesn't seem to like that.
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@sloosecannon Not gotten to "remove the app" yet.
Oh... uh... so the upgrade borked. Ouch.
Clean reinstall from scratch?
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@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@sloosecannon Not gotten to "remove the app" yet.
Oh... uh... so the upgrade borked. Ouch.
Clean reinstall from scratch?
No, upgrade worked fine, I just toggled Safe Mode from msconfig and asked for a reboot while in root Administrator OOBE
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
No, upgrade worked fine, I just toggled Safe Mode from msconfig and asked for a reboot
Yeah, OOBE doesn't like running in Safe Mode, you'll have to turn that off to continue.
Is it boot looping how? Like, "Setup couldn't finish, press OK to reboot"?
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@sloosecannon Not gotten to "remove the app" yet.
Oh... uh... so the upgrade borked. Ouch.
Clean reinstall from scratch?
No, upgrade worked fine, I just toggled Safe Mode from msconfig and asked for a reboot
So...
It's stuck trying to boot safe mode?
Try killing the power while it's trying to boot, you can get in to startup repair if that happens enough times. Then you can try to fix it that way
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@Tsaukpaetra Like W10 icon shows, briefly flashes a safe mode desktop sometimes, and repeat.
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power kill did not work - there is a way to kick the forced msconfig boot issue ... I just forget what it is ....
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
power kill did not work - there is a way to kick the forced msconfig boot issue ... I just forget what it is ....
Need to do it several times. IIRC it's something like 3 failed boots to get to the startup repair screen
And they need to happen before the logon screen hits.
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@sloosecannon Ah, that's right kick the "failed boot" number to 11. I might have a Linux USB that can help with that ....
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Woo? now in automagic repair?
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Woo? now in automagic repair?
Yeah. It'll do that. And it will fail. But you can get a recovery console and do stuff like SFC /scannow
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And it even offered me the option to not purge all the things!
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Yeah, if Startup Repair doesn't do anything, if you get into the command prompt in that mode you should be able to remove the BCD setting that's making it boot into Safe Mode.
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I'm mostly just shocked I didn't need to do a full nuke and pave ... brave new world of Windows I guess? I was doing precautionary reformats even in Windows 8.
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Kind of concerned that this mini nuke + upgrade is going to make me find drivers ... which sounds like work
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Kind of concerned that this mini nuke + upgrade is going to make me find drivers ... which sounds like work
Eh, as long as you've got Internet adapter drivers you're fine.
If you don't... have fun with that...
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@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Eh, as long as you've got
Internet PCI Ethernet adapter drivers you're fine.FTFY
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@sloosecannon It's a Dell with a readable service tag; I can always acquire the original drivers (thankfully).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Eh, as long as you've got
Internet PCI Ethernet adapter drivers you're fine.FTFY
Or WiFi. Some form of Internet access...
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@rad131304 Spoke too soon ... stuck at 22% of Reset.
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@rad131304 I've seen that behavior before. Turns out it was because "Something went wrong".
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@flabdablet I've noticed. I'm about to nuke from orbit. It probably would be quicker than trying to "fix this problem".
I can USB boot to Linux, grab the files from the machine, and just flush this bjorked config down the toilet with my Win10 USB.
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@rad131304 That's "taking care of a few things"!
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I needed to uninstall an application from the computer. That application was buried in boot, and requires a "Safe Mode" removal.
So... a virus?
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Does anyone know how to escape OOBE boot loops?
I don't even know what "OOBE" means.
Try hitting F8 and booting in safe mode again.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I don't even know what "OOBE" means.
If the soundtrack is any guide it's something to do with porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIrh9nk67M0
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@flabdablet You know I've used Windows for a long time, and this thread is the first time I've ever heard the term "OOBE" before.
I find it amazing rad37242384 thinks everybody just instinctively knows it.
I guess it's referring to the first-run stuff that Windows runs to set up your user account and wifi settings and such?
Also: other than a virus, what application requires being in Safe Mode to uninstall? Especially confusing, since Windows Installer service doesn't run in Safe Mode. It's got to be a virus right?
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Windows Installer service doesn't run in Safe Mode.
Just as well, then, that pretty much every kind of non-MSI-based installer works just fine there.
Safe Mode uninstallation is particularly useful when antivirus software goes tits-up.
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@flabdablet I dunno. I just get that nagging feeling I get when a lot of problems people have with Windows are due to them using it like idiots. Like the people who complain about too many UAC prompts, and it turns out when you talk to them it's because they want to keep all their apps in C:\my_apps_dont_touch instead of Program Files.
If a piece of software requires you to go into Safe Mode to remove it, you're probably:
- Doing legit driver development, in which case you have to just expect that, or
- Doing something horribly grossly wrong, or using software that does something horribly grossly wrong, or
- You have a virus and need Safe Mode to prevent it from locking itself on boot but you don't want to admit it here.
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@blakeyrat OOBE = Out Of Box Experience. You hit Ctrl+Shift+F3 and you can boot as the root, normally locked out Administrator and modify the OS.
It's usually used for producing images for corporations; but I use it when I help someone buy a PC to pre-install software and uninstall the crapware.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@flabdablet I dunno. I just get that nagging feeling I get when a lot of problems people have with Windows are due to them using it like idiots. Like the people who complain about too many UAC prompts, and it turns out when you talk to them it's because they want to keep all their apps in C:\my_apps_dont_touch instead of Program Files.
If a piece of software requires you to go into Safe Mode to remove it, you're probably:
- Doing legit driver development, in which case you have to just expect that, or
- Doing something horribly grossly wrong, or using software that does something horribly grossly wrong, or
- You have a virus and need Safe Mode to prevent it from locking itself on boot but you don't want to admit it here.
No I get where you're coming from. This is just me trying to remove Webroot.
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
This is just me trying to remove Webroot.
Ah yes, had a Trojan that specifically targeted Webroot . Ended up trashing the system because it ended up running the system executables and I didn't have an installation specific Server 2003 handy.
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@Tsaukpaetra Removing webroot is easy in Safe Mode ... but, somehow, impossible - from a UI sense - if you don't hold the original user* and password* that installed the crapware. It's my first time purging this program from OOBE (or SysPrep if you prefer, or whatever, fuck off @blakeyrat ) - if I could escape the boot loop and force a full, normal boot, I could actually fix the problem ....
* held on their website, because raisins
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@Tsaukpaetra This is actually just Webroot, and not a Trojan ... unless Dell is selling infected computers. It's a brand new PC.
Whenever old people ask me about computers, I:
- resign myself to the fact I'll never escape their questions, and
- have them buy a non-shitty computer through me.
Since they know me as the "computer young person", I'd at least like to know where the computer started (and capture an image of it).
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
and capture an image of it
Yeah I do that just in case there's some weird OEM crap to configure the hardware that won't install right on a fresh install from the manufacturers website. Looking at you, Sony !
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
- You have a virus and need Safe Mode to prevent it from locking itself on boot but you don't want to admit it here.
What is it with you and imputing hidden motivations? You do that a lot.
Generally if I'm installing or removing stuff in Safe Mode, it's a customer machine, not mine (my only personal Winboxen are VMs, and if anything goes wrong with those I just revert them) and yes, about half of that is malware related. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is quite a useful cleanup tool and it can be both installed and uninstalled in Safe Mode.
Most of the rest is recovering from failed self-updates in antivirus suites.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I don't even know what "OOBE" means.
Misspelling of Oobi:
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@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I have a Windows 7 laptop that I upgraded to Windows 10
Idiot.
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
This is clearly not working.
Told you so.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I have a Windows 7 laptop that I upgraded to Windows 10
Idiot.
I gotta say. Windows 10 has been just as good for me as 8 or 8.1. It hasn't asked me to reboot for a few months, IIRC.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I just get that nagging feeling I get when a lot of problems people have with Windows are due to them using it like idiots.
Yup. Like when they use Windows to upgrade to Windows 10, like an idiot.
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@boomzilla said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I gotta say. Windows 10 has been just as good for me as 8 or 8.1
That isn't a good endorsement.
@boomzilla said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
It hasn't asked me to reboot for a few months, IIRC.
That's because it doesn't ask.
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@boomzilla said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Windows 10 has been just as good for me as 8 or 8.1. It hasn't asked me to reboot for a few months, IIRC.
To be fair, you would probably have the same experience with any OS you chose never to boot up in the first place.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
@rad131304 said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
I have a Windows 7 laptop that I upgraded to Windows 10
Idiot.
Windows 3.1 was the last good version of Windows. We should never upgrade anything ever. Vendor support is overrated.
Filed under: You never have to worry about malware because no one is writing 16 bit viruses.
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@error said in Windows 10 OOBE Stuck in a Boot Loop:
Windows 3.1 was the last good version of Windows.
Was that the OS version where my friends and I had a challenge among ourselves to find a different way to hang the OS every day? We kept it up for quite a few months…
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I upgraded from Win7 to Win10 on a Late 2011 MacBook Pro over the weekend. It went surprisingly well, especially after I grabbed the Win8.1 Boot Camp stuff (since Late 2011 is officially unsupported by Boot Camp for Win10), dropped in keyboard and display drivers and boom, it's all good... probably my best Windows upgrade experience yet.
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@dkf iunno, there are many Windows versions fit for that.