Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS
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@Magus said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
I really need a device that supports ink...
I use the Sony Vaio Flip. Seems to be OK.
@dcon said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
My very first touch machine was the X61
I have one too, resistive screen on that one is abysmal for some reason, NFC why. I had to stop using it when the hinge broke and could no longer support the screen (so it was effectively tablet-mode or plug into external monitor). I was partway into researching what it would take to make it a soft-tablet for things like Adobe, but got stuck in other projects before that could become a thing.
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
By far the worst, though, is Edge; that needs to die in a thermonuclear fire.
Oh, I'd forgotten that because the only thing I used it for was to download another browser. It succeeded at that one, simple task.
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@dkf said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
It succeeded at that one, simple task.
I almost didn't succeed when I tried it, it brought me to Bing's search even though I quite clearly typed what I wanted...
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@dcon said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
I've never seen so many "$program has stopped working"
Where $program == "Video driver". Fucking Intel + Lenovo.
I can't blame either of them; my is AMD + Dell. It mostly seems to be Office applications that crash. And RealVNC, but that's easily recoverable. For that matter, so is Office, since it restarts automatically.
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@Magus said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@asdf said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
So third-party systems work better than Microsoft's own hardware.
Seems like it. I want a Surface Book, which probably fares better, but I'd have to find a good reason not to use a Yoga 2 Pro. At this point, I don't honestly believe there is a good enough reason to get me to get rid of it.
I've been waiting for the Surface Book 2. Which was delayed until next year, last I checked.
But it sounds like (it will be) my perfect laptop.
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@dcon said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
I've never seen so many "$program has stopped working"
Where $program == "Video driver". Fucking Intel + Lenovo.
You think that's bad?
I've got a specific laptop with a buggy video driver. It makes the internal monitor go black on me... I have to reboot in safe mode and revert the driver whenever it does that.That's all well and good, cause I can "downgrade" to the 2009 release.
Except that, well.... Windows 10 insists on updating that driver, since the new one is pushed out via Windows Update.
Guess what happens every few days after I restart! If you guessed "the driver goes boom!", you're right!I can prevent this from happening, of course.
But the title of the KB article makes me nervous.How to temporarily prevent a Windows or driver update from reinstalling in Windows 10
Emphasis mine.
Temporarily?
Like, it's gonna reinstall eventually type temporarily?
This specific model of laptop is pretty old (1st gen i5) so.... it's not gonna get a patched driver any ever soon. So... fuck.
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@sloosecannon Why don't you just edit the version number and release date of the working driver with a hex editor?
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@asdf Because driver signing, I'd expect.
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@flabdablet said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
Because driver signing, I'd expect.
Just edit the signature with a hex editor as well!!! :p
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
It mostly seems to be Office applications that crash. And RealVNC, but that's easily recoverable. For that matter, so is Office, since it restarts automatically.
Because instead of working on fixing the crash in Office, they worked on making it auto-restart, and rescuing whatever document was opened.
Good Job Micro-Soft !
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@sloosecannon Don't try to convince us that forced auto-update is a bad thing.
That's impossible.
We've been too well
brainwashedtrained.
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@flabdablet Surely by this point someone must have figured out how to disable that or inject your own certificate in the approved list.
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@TimeBandit said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@sloosecannon Don't try to convince us that forced auto-update is a bad thing.
That's impossible.
We've been too well
brainwashedtrained.Most of the time, for most users, it's probably a good idea. Kinda.
But when you hit one of these situations, life really sucks!
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@TimeBandit said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
forced auto-update
On a related note, I think I have observed in the wild the reported absence of notice for a forced reboot after an update, which other people claim doesn't occur. Both sides are right, sorta. (Note: Observed on Win10; may not apply to earlier versions.)
I was working away on my laptop, when a "Recently updated software needs to reboot..." notification slid in, then disappeared. "Wait, I'm busy. How do I postpone it?" Opened the notification panel thingy whatever it's called, and there was no trace of the notification. (It's by no means the only notification to do that. AFAICT, the notification panel is pretty much useless; all it ever has is left-over notifications for emails I've already read.) "Um, now what?" Then I noticed an inconspicuous icon in the notification area of the task bar. Click that: "Reboot now" or "Open something reboot something something window something". Open the window; postpone for 4 hours. "Whew." Continue working.
Four hours later, the notification slides in again, then disappears. This time there's no icon. The icon went straight into the "hidden icons." If I hadn't been looking at the screen when the notification appeared, I would have had no idea that there had been a notification for an imminent reboot that needed to be postponed. The icon could have sat for weeks (if it weren't for the reboot that got forced in the mean time) before I happened to look at hidden icons and noticed it.
I know there is a way to force specific icons to be never hidden (but I forget where the settings are); that's one that IMHO should be never hidden by default.
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@anonymous234 You can't just use your own self-signed certificate* . Windows checks that a driver is signed by a specific Microsoft CA, so even adding your own cert to the Windows certificate store is not enough to get it to accept the modified driver.
At one point I had a perfectly working USB driver but just needed it to associate with a different device ID. Sadly that was a no-go to just change the INF file since driver signing is required in 64-bit Windows 7.
(*) Actually, you CAN use a self-signed certificate to sign a driver and install it. But first you have to put Windows into Test Signing mode using a boot option. Doing this also supposedly disables some of the DRM in Windows, although I had it enabled on my main workstation for years and never noticed the difference.
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@quijibo said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
you have to put Windows into Test Signing mode using a boot option. Doing this also supposedly disables some of the DRM in Windows, although I had it enabled on my main workstation for years and never noticed the difference.
Essentially it "potentially" makes your system less secure, because you can install any driver at that point.
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
I forget where the settings are
They keep moving about, but AFAIK dragging a hidden icon out and dropping it into the task bar still works.
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@TimeBandit i heard the new Independence Day movie actually takes place in a world where people are too busy installing updates to shoot aliens.
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@quijibo said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
Doing this also supposedly disables some of the DRM in Windows, although I had it enabled on my main workstation for years and never noticed the difference.
There is no DRM in Windows, unless you count SecureBoot.
I don't even think Windows Media Player includes the DVD/Blu-Ray DRM anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
I know there is a way to force specific icons to be never hidden (but I forget where the settings are); that's one that IMHO should be never hidden by default.
As far as I know, they only way now is to drag the icon from the hidden area to the main area.
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@dcon I wonder how many other people who always see the notifications have that stupid "hide my icons! I r too dum ot icons!" feature turned off. I sure as fuck too.
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@blakeyrat I don't. I have (currently) 9 hidden. If I had the taskbar on the bottom, I might - but I like it on the left - which makes real estate a little more valuable.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@quijibo said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
Doing this also supposedly disables some of the DRM in Windows, although I had it enabled on my main workstation for years and never noticed the difference.
There is no DRM in Windows, unless you count SecureBoot.
I don't even think Windows Media Player includes the DVD/Blu-Ray DRM anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
I agree that it's not really clear, but probable SecureBoot and maybe Bitlocker are affected. I was referring to vague statements like the one on this page:
Starting with 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and later versions of Windows, driver code signing policy requires that all driver code have a digital signature. In addition, certain configurations of 32-bit versions of Windows Vista and later versions of Windows also require driver code to be digitally-signed in order to access next generation premium content that is controlled by the content protection policy. Windows Vista and later versions of Windows rely on digital signatures of these components to increase the safety and stability of the Microsoft Windows platform and enable new customer experiences with next generation premium content.
So maybe there are restrictions in place for playing DRM-enabled WMV or WMA files or something like that. I don't own any so I wouldn't know.
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@quijibo The problem is "DRM" is so vague someone could consider driver signing to be DRM. So.
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@Cursorkeys said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
Event 10032, Windows Server Update Services The server is failing to download some updates.
If I was in the market for a new forum signature, this would be it
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@blakeyrat said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@accalia Let's communicate our disdain by typing their name incorrectly, perhaps replacing "soft" with "sloth", an animal known for being slow, or perhaps using a dollar sign to replace some of the letters to remind the user of greed!
|\/| | ( |*, 0 $ 0 |= 7
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@Lorne-Kates no, that says
$program
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@bb36e said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@Lorne-Kates no, that says
$program
.That's what I said. "Sprogram".
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@Lorne-Kates no you said
Sprogram
According to the internet, what you entered is u+0053 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S, while the quoted text uses u+0024 DOLLAR SIGN. While both characters are part of the same Unicode block
0000-00f7 Basic Latin
, the code points 0024 and 00f7 are neither canonically equivalent nor compatible. I applied Unicode normalisation to your text and the resulting text had different codepoints (in both fully composed and decomposed form) therefore there is a difference between the quoted text and your reply.
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@bb36e said in Windows 10 upgrade packages break WSUS:
@Lorne-Kates no you said
Sprogram
According to the internet, what you entered is u+0053 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S, while the quoted text uses u+0024 DOLLAR SIGN. While both characters are part of the same Unicode block
0000-00f7 Basic Latin
, the code points 0024 and 00f7 are neither canonically equivalent nor compatible. I applied Unicode normalisation to your text and the resulting text had different codepoints (in both fully composed and decomposed form) therefore there is a difference between the quoted text and your reply.I don't like this dark and gritty reboot of Abbott and Costello.