Vivaldi!!!!!!!!! (it's a web browser I guess)
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Not as much as stuff on a computer monitor that I'm using all day to do stuff.
As if you ever used it longer than 38 nanoseconds.
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Window decorations are for rounded squares.
Vista looked pretty, though.
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As if you ever used it longer than 38 nanoseconds.
And surely, you would know better than I. This is truly one of your more bizarre episodes of MS fellatio.
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I didn't read the single word.
Right; you didn't read the sentence. I'm glad we agree on this point, but I'm not sure why the fuck you're still posting.
A sentence consists of many words. To read a sentence, you must read all its words. If you read only some of its words, you have not read the sentence. Welcome to fucking kindergarten.
I'd apologize as I usually do when that happens, but usually people just tell me I'm wrong, not that I'm an idiot.
The two things aren't mutually-exclusive. I mean there's a correlation obviously (idiots are more likely to be wrong.)
While it doesn't rankle me one bit I decided I'll retract the courtesy since it wasn't extended to me either.
Look, I'm going to say this once again, for the benefit of morons like you who obviously did not get the message:
If you didn't read what I type, DO NOT REPLY TO IT.
Let's repeat that:
If you didn't read what I type, DO NOT REPLY TO IT.
I don't give a shit why you didn't read it. Whether it's because someone asked you a question, whether it's because you're legally blind, maybe a penguin bit into your testicles, whatever. I do not care. But don't reply to shit you haven't fucking read.
(And also don't compose made-up shit in your squishy little brain and attribute to me, that happens all the time also.)
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This is truly one of your more bizarre episodes of MS fellatio.
This isn't MS fellatio, this is me trying to determine if you have a single good reason to dislike it. Basically, are you disliking it because you just knee-jerked? Or have you actually spend some time thinking about it?
Maybe you do have a good reason to dislike it, but none have come up in this thread yet. Unless shower doors really do throw you for a loop.
Look, I don't care what people's opinions are, I just care that they're well-formed through rational thought. Not knee-jerks, not popularity contests, not group-think, not appeal-to-authority.
I just want people to use their brains and think.
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If you didn't read what I type, DO NOT REPLY TO IT.
I think he wasn't aware that he missed a word.
Well, until you got mad at him.
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Maybe you do have a good reason to dislike it, but none have come up in this thread yet.
Fuck off. I gave good reasons.
Unless shower doors really do throw you for a loop.
I just want people to use their brains and think.
But you refuse to take their well reasoned answers, so what are we to think?
I get that you don't find blurry stuff distracting annoying and possibly painful. I don't have problems mixing up letters or whatever your dyslexia symptoms are. But I also don't say that your dyslexia is stupid and a knee jerk reaction or whatever.
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I think he wasn't aware that he missed a word.
Well the text was right there on the screen. I'm sorry he's an idiot, I guess? I'm not sure why you're posting this.
I get that you don't find blurry stuff distracting annoying and possibly painful.
But that's the thing:
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It's not that blurry, and
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I don't think anybody does.
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But that's the thing:
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It's not that blurry, and
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I don't think anybody does
That's cool, so long as we all now agree that you're just being a dick.
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Of course.
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This isn't MS fellatio, WHARRGAARBL cough WHAARGAARBL
I'm sorry, it's hard to understand you with that e-peen clogging your throat. You'll have to stop enthusiastically deepthroating Windows for a minute so you can explain how translucency effects and black-on-dark-grey text (and then they have that white cloudy blur behind the text so it's sort of readable - wtf is up with that?) aren't usability problems. And so you can explain how going with plain window borders for WIndows 8 isn't an implicit admission by the company itself that they made a mistake with Aero.
Oh, wait, they can't be usability problems because only moronic open source developers would sacrifice usability for coolness. My mistake. I'm such a fucking retard for wanting a simple, usable product without superfluous chrome or a the fucking Start screen.
Microsoft has also admitted that the Start screen was a mistake, but that must have been a story fabricated by open source terrorists desperate to tear down the righteousness that is Microsoft. Don't lose the faith! MS is always in the right no matter how many times they flip-flop! White is black! Night is day! 2 + 2 = 5! I'll believe whatever you want, just let me swallow! What the fuck am I even talking about!?
Heil Microßoft! Heil!
(hmmm... maybe this needs more sarcasm, not sure...)
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Alright, I guess I'll just pretend my over there meant I was saying goodbye to people who liked Aero; instead of saying I was one such person...
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No. You are horrible and should feel horrible.
I never forget.
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I don't use the standard color. Is this considered cheating?
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And so you can explain how going with plain window borders for WIndows 8 isn't an implicit admission by the company itself that they made a mistake with Aero.
Or an acceptance that in the years between the two operating systems, fashion and stuff changed. Just because the new version looks different, doesn't mean the old one was bad in terms of usability
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doesn't mean the old one was bad in terms of usability
The old aero fashion and the new flat fashion are both crap for usability compared to normal stuff looking normal and obvious as to what it is. But people like to change fashion, even if it's a bad idea from a comfort / usability perspective.
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I don't mind the flat style that much. My preferences lean towards something like that actually. My current setup for reference:
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I don't mind the flat style that much. My preferences lean towards something like that actually.
At least your buttons have a permanent outline.
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The old aero fashion and the new flat fashion are both crap for usability compared to normal stuff looking normal and obvious as to what it is.
Support this statement with evidence.
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The ones on Win8 don't? o.O
Eh...TBH, I don't remember, but that's where a lot of flat design ends up, at least on the web.
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Support this statement with evidence.
I perhaps went to far with the flatness of the Win8 flat stuff. Looking at it again, it's not as bad as stuff you see on the web that's really flat and confusing. At least they undid the actively hostile (to me) blurry aero bullshit. A lot of Win8's usability problems are really orthogonal to its flatness.
So I guess the flatness (as in Win8) is just a fashion thing that I personally find distasteful, but thankfully they got rid of the aero issues with it.
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I like flat design. Come at me.
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The only thing I dislike about Win8.1's window decorations is how thick they are.
Luckily, there's a registry tweak to make them less gargantuan.
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The ones on Win8 don't? o.O
They do, both in theMetroModern UI and in the oldy-timey UI.
@boomzilla said:A lot of Win8's usability problems are really orthogonal to its flatness.
It improved a lot in 8.1, but it's still a bit of a Frankenstein's Monster of an OS…
@aliceif said:The only thing I dislike about Win8.1's window decorations is how thick they are.
Really? I've never noticed the thickness… but now you mention it, it is a little OTT.
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I like flat design. Come at me.
That's cool. De gustibus non est disputandum. Just don't whine about how I'm a Luddite because I haven't jumped on the latest fashion whatever.
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Ha, no worries. To be honest, Metro feels a little too flat to me, the stuff Google does always seemed to me a very good compromise of mostly flat design while still keeping usability in mind.
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I've never noticed the thickness
My Linux install has no window decorations which might be why I find them oversized. Also, those pixels Win8.1 wastes really cut into the usable area of a 1366×768 screen.
(I know, I'm TRWTF for having a shitty laptop)
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1366×768 screen
Is TR ; the Win8 machines I use have either 1920×1080 or pretty damn close to.But then, my personal Win7 laptop is around 1366×768, so I can't really judge
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(I know, I'm TRWTF for having a shitty laptop)
I think my window decorations are something like 18px? The ones on Win7 always pissed me off due to how large they were for that exact reason.
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Google
usability
Whaaa?
"Usability" from the company with a "more" button before you can see all your gmail folders? I... I really hope you're talking about Android or some Google product I haven't really experienced much, because the ones I have are all super-shitty (usability-wise).
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My Nexus running Lollipop is super intuitive, especially compared to previous OS upgrades on my phone where things have moved and nothing makes sense anymore. The ability to jump to the running app list with one tap makes a world of difference when switching between apps frequently. I generally find myself going to the list, and if I don't see the app I want, hitting the "all apps" button to launch it within a few swipes, pretty much every five minutes or so when I'm using my tablet heavily. It also fixed the "back" ambiguity since I never use my back button to return to another app like I used to.
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Tell ya what, when Google has a single web app that isn't a ball of unusable shit, maybe I'll concede that Google is good at usability.
Right now, their login system alone is so convoluted and confusing that no mere mortal has a chance to understand it.
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Where do you have text-only buttons? Nothing springs to mind immediately from my normal usage. Icon-only buttons are a barrier to discussing functionality on the internet though.
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Dialogs.
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Ah, right. Fair enough.
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What do you mean by "now"?
See the menu in all caps there? That's because this is from Visual Studio 2013.
Maybe someone pointed this out already, though. I CBA to search the 100 or so posts since this.
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VS2013 is "new", though. It's the latest version, in fact!
There are people here who are stuck on 2010 (me) or 2008.
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What do you mean by "now"?
Time is an illusion. Release dates doubly so.
Filed under: This fills my daily HHGTTG quote quota, Also, kinda true, there are plenty of "2013" versions that actually released in 2012
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Right, but @Onyx was reacting to image from the Visual Studio 2015 preview (and its associated web page describing it). It's not something coming out in the next release, it's something that's already been here for several years now.
The page in question was commenting on how MS was updating the feature, not discussing a new feature.
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Could be 15 years old for all I care. It still looks silly and unprofessional.
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My Nexus running Lollipop is super intuitive, especially compared to previous OS upgrades on my phone where things have moved and nothing makes sense anymore. The ability to jump to the running app list with one tap makes a world of difference when switching between apps frequently. I generally find myself going to the list, and if I don't see the app I want, hitting the "all apps" button to launch it within a few swipes, pretty much every five minutes or so when I'm using my tablet heavily. It also fixed the "back" ambiguity since I never use my back button to return to another app like I used to.
Minor nitpick - the recent apps thing has been a thing since, like, 4.0 (Maybe 3.0?). At least for Nexus devices. I assume you probably came from something non-nexus before (Samsung?)...
But yeah, 5.0 is much more discoverable than any of the previous releases. Now if they would just fix some of those annoying bugs in CM12 I'd be perfectly happy..........
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Minor nitpick - the recent apps thing has been a thing since, like, 4.0 (Maybe 3.0?). At least for
Nexusdevices without a butchered vendor-specific ROM.FTFY
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Huh. I just noticed my Moto X does, indeed, have that button.
The previous phone I had didn't, and I'm still not used to the Moto.
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I meant in general from a visual design standpoint, like their guidelines for how to render buttons, etc. I agree that their general application usability could be better, especially in old apps like Gmail.
Android usability is pretty good though.
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FTFY
Fix accepted, and approved.
Huh. I just noticed my Moto X does, indeed, have that button.
The previous phone I had didn't, and I'm still not used to the Moto.
Yep. Although in previous revisions it looked different...
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Yeah, and the list requires more scrolling on my phone. I really ought to have found that, I've had the phone a year now, but my habits are ingrained from my previous two phones, so I guess the tablet form-factor lead to my re-evaluating my workflows.
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That's true. That's one of the major improvements to the UX from 5.0
Which X do you have?
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