Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes
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Feminist argument succeeds in censoring game.
Not just applying a fucking trigger warning label. Outright banning it from Target.
People are justified when they are concerned that it can happen in America.
But I'm done here.
You're totally blind to anything outside your little Kotaku glasses.
Feminists can have their tin-foil hat, golden comic age, patriarchy panel of doom, but no one is allowed to be concerned about video game censorship due to a vocal minority, when gamers have already had to fight censorship in the past.
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@xaade Until like 2012 you couldn't sell ANY video games with violent content in Australia. They had the strictest game censorship on the planet. All GTA games were illegal in Australia until very very recently.
They've been REVERSING that trend lately. They've added an 'R'-equivalent rating. They're moving in the direction of less censorship.
Do you even understand how your Australia example shows the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE CLAIMING IS HAPPENING!?
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@xaade said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@DCRoss said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
By the time you finish, your perfectly cast sixteen year old will be nineteen. And not look a thing like he did when you started.
Harry Potter.
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So if the trend is uncensorship until someone whines about GTA having violence towards women be a theme (which it is not), and feminists successful reverse a strong trend to uncensorship....
That only makes the argument stronger.
That means that the concerns of feminists outweigh a trend towards uncensorship.
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@DCRoss Pfft. He was supposed to be a WWI vet in the early '50s. He wasn't ever a teenager. In fact there was a running joke about his retirement coming soon.
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@xaade said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
So if the trend is uncensorship until someone whines about GTA having violence towards women be a theme (which it is not), and feminists successful reverse a strong trend to uncensorship....
Right; like I said a momentary backslide.
@xaade said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
That only makes the argument stronger.
No. No it does not.
@xaade said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
That means that the concerns of feminists outweigh a trend towards uncensorship.
Dude, it's FUCKING AUSTRALIA. They had no freedom of speech in the first place. You really need to read a fucking newspaper sometimes if you're going to sit here at the adult table.
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@blakeyrat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
No. No it does not.
So if the economy gets better with every tax increase, and some conservative comes in and cuts taxes....
Chill dude, momentary backslide.
I'll remember this for your next shoulder alien.
You totally apply different standards for feminists and GG.
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@blakeyrat There was a "moving goalposts" icon somewhere, I think you may have need of it.
@blakeyrat : assholes get female exec fired in the name of gamergate
@xaade : Feminists, man. Feminists. Didn't you hear? They got GTA V banned in shithole,IowAustralia, like 2 years ago!
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@blakeyrat Assholes get female exec fired in the name of gamergate
@xaade Lol.... Feminists have been trying to get people fired for a while now...
@blakeyrat OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT FEMINISTS... topic is about GG.... GG are moar evilz
@xaade They both are full of assholes. They both have legit people with legit views. It's just hashtags. Every hashtag has stupid people in it.
@blakeyrat That's impossible. Only GG have bad guys. Show me anything Feminists have ever done.
@xaade link: evidence.
@blakeyrat They're all irrelevant because reasons. (Did you read my article, I won't read yours).
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@tufty BUT IT COULD HAPPEN HERE NEXT!
Except the fact that the US has never had a government framework for censorship of creative works, and even those clueless US politicians who used to call for it have stopped in recent years since they realized the entire concept is somewhere between "reprehensible to the American ethos" and "outright unconstitutional".
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Haha click the "dislike" button all you like, but at heart you know you're still a misogynist piece of shit.
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It's a different problem this time.
Instead of political censorship by law. It's groups trying to appeal to masses to create negative PR so that companies choose to self-censor.
And that negative PR is now at UN level.
It's not an irrational concern.
Me, personally. Don't really care. Games like Skyrim are going to be pretty immune, since it can be more easily demonstrated that there is no bias towards women, since you can make a female character and play as one.
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@blakeyrat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
You also need to reorganize that sentence because I can't make sense of it.
Well I'll summarize it: the two situations are absolutely NOTHING alike, and you're an idiot for comparing them.
They are exactly alike. Social media mobs once again fuck everything up for everyone.
On one hand trying to get someone fired that actually turned out to be a company decision. On the other a victory pose that the community liked is being removed. Apparently an artistic direction.
@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Also go look up what forum means. Also look to the resulting shitstorm on twitter and the invasion of their forum.
How about maybe if you're trying to make an argument, you cite some sources to back your argument up?
When you start doing that I'll be sure swot them down. You have yet to actually link anyone or anything from GamerGate to this whole fiasco. Not even a picture of a tweet and you skirted over evidence that it may of being started by the Wayne Foundation
@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
People being fired over twitter bullshit is awful however in this case she is the public face of a family friendly company using her twitter account that is associated with her work place to advocate adolescent sexuality.
You also need to reorganize that sentence because I can't make sense of it.
Did you read her 2011 essay? Because it doesn't say what you seem to think it says.
It's not a defense of child pornography, all it says is that Japan should be allowed to set its own laws about child pornography without interference from other countries.
Please stop repeating lies about this freely-available essay.
Was I talking about the essay? I was talking about her tweets which @cartman82 was nice enough to provide an imgur link of.
@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
BTW any thoughts on Tim Hunt @blakeyrat
I don't know who that is.
Another victim of the mob with a story very similar to this. Funnily enough he's working in Japan now.
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@xaade Oh damn where's that goalposts things... ah, good, it's still here.
So when you say "censorship", what you mean is something explicitly not censorship. Makes sense to me.
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Let me put this here.
Yes, this is from the Kiwi Farms. Doesn't make it any more invalid or valid.
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@XanderTheGamer said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Yes, this is from the Kiwi Farms. Doesn't make it any more invalid or valid.
Ah, if only there was a way to share textual content other than uploading low res screenshots of the original text...
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@blakeyrat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@xaade said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
I'm not reading your fucking wiki article.
Look, even Hillary Clinton gave up on the games censorship bullshit and she's running for President right now. Politicians aren't trying to censor 30-year-old games. If they were trying to censor any games, they'd probably be censoring, you know, 2016 games. Instead of Pac-Man. You crazy asshole.
"No" is shorter to type.
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@cartman82
<sarcasm>You mean vector images, right?
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@ben_lubar said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@boomzilla said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Totally agree. Grown men shouldn't be playing so many video games!
My dad has purchased an order of magnitude more Microsoft Flight Simulator DLC on Steam than he has hours in all his games combined.
I'm not sure how to do the conversion here between hours and DLC. Are we talking money? Number of DLC? But then, since I said "so many" isn't that just the same game?
Also, after reading your posts about him, I choose to believe that he bought the DLC but couldn't figure out how to get them downloaded and installed in order to play them.
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@boomzilla It's a temporal relation. On Ben's Internet connection It took longer to download all the DLC than his dad spent playing it.
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@boomzilla he bought like 200 airplanes and played 15 hours if you include games that aren't flight simulator as well.
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@cartman82 said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@XanderTheGamer said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Yes, this is from the Kiwi Farms. Doesn't make it any more invalid or valid.
Ah, if only there was a way to share textual content other than uploading low res screenshots of the original text...
Apparently in this day and age, 720p is low res.
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@XanderTheGamer said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Apparently in this day and age, 720p is low res.
Low or high, doesn't matter worth a fuck. Can't quote it, can't dissect it, can hardly read it, fuck you for posting it, asshole.
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@tufty Protip: Click on the images. It may make them more readable.
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@DCRoss said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Then, spend a few months mucking around making sure that the right producers get enough blow to make sure that the project goes ahead, and start filming a year later. Between shooting half of your scenes in London, half in Arizona, and then re-shooting half in Vancouver because of last minute script changes brought on by the producers, this will take two years and then you start editing.
By the time you finish, your perfectly cast sixteen year old will be nineteen. And not look a thing like he did when you started.Or you could take 12 years to film your crappy movie, give it a generic name like "Boyhood" and get a bunch of awards because it took twelve years to make!
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@tufty said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Haha click the "dislike" button all you like, but at heart you know you're still a misogynist piece of shit.
Filed under: asking for it
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@Bort said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@DCRoss said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Then, spend a few months mucking around making sure that the right producers get enough blow to make sure that the project goes ahead, and start filming a year later. Between shooting half of your scenes in London, half in Arizona, and then re-shooting half in Vancouver because of last minute script changes brought on by the producers, this will take two years and then you start editing.
By the time you finish, your perfectly cast sixteen year old will be nineteen. And not look a thing like he did when you started.Or you could take 12 years to film your crappy movie, give it a generic name like "Boyhood" and get a bunch of awards because it took twelve years to make!
You'll never win an award unless your main character punches out a polar bear, then fights a giant spider in the third act.
And then commits some kind of horrible boxing related atrocity..
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@XanderTheGamer protip : next time, improve readability by printing out your images, then taking a photo of them on a wooden table.
oh, hang on.
I meant to say "shoving a broken bottle up your arsehole and then drowning yourself in a pool of diarrhoea and vomit"
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@tufty said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@XanderTheGamer protip : next time, improve readability by printing out your images, then taking a photo of them on a wooden table.
oh, hang on.
I meant to say "shoving a broken bottle up your arsehole and then drowning yourself in a pool of diarrhoea and vomit"
I can't upvote your posts enough! The forum won't let me.
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More shit coming in
harmful has weight in. I wish he would add links for his points though.
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@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
has weight in
Goddamn you ;)
Nintendo has let go of an employee amid a public controversy that may have lead to her dismissal.
For fuck's sake.
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@DogsB So basically, Nintendo's PR person made racy photos rubbing Nintendo's PG toys all over her and tried to sell them for extra cash......... why exactly are people defending her again?
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@coldandtired I know! They should have checked whether the controversy really has any lead before they went to press.
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@lolwhat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
They should have checked whether the controversy really has any lead before they went to press.
In California, it doesn't matter. If you think it might have any lead, you just slap a Prop 65 warning label on it to CYA.
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@cartman82 said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
why exactly are people defending her again?
I'm not defending her; I'm objecting to the campaign to get her fired, WHICH EVEN YOU ADMITTED WAS WRONG.
Despite the "gamergate philosophy" or whatever, two wrongs DO NOT make a right. It just makes two wrongs. You can call out both for being wrong; it's ok. The universe isn't a balanced scale, and it doesn't run on binary or monochrome.
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@blakeyrat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
@cartman82 said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
why exactly are people defending her again?
I'm not defending her; I'm objecting to the campaign to get her fired, WHICH EVEN YOU ADMITTED WAS WRONG.
Despite the "gamergate philosophy" or whatever, two wrongs DO NOT make a right. It just makes two wrongs. You can call out both for being wrong; it's ok. The universe isn't a balanced scale, and it doesn't run on binary or monochrome.
You mean the campaign started by the head of the wayne foundation?
What is this "gamergate philosophy" anyway? Do you mean mob rule?
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@DogsB said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
You mean the campaign started by the head of the wayne foundation?
I don't know what the fuck that is and, before you respond: I also don't care.
I'm just informing you that your brilliant argument tactic of name-dropping an organization nobody's ever fucking heard of isn't very effective.
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@blakeyrat And your ignorance of the entire affair is actually very entertaining. Do post some more.
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@DogsB he already skimmed through the histerical misinformed kotaku attack piece and thats all the information he needs, damn it!
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@blakeyrat said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
I don't know what the fuck that is and, before you respond: I also don't care.
That's kind of my opinion about "Gamergate." But it's amusing that you brought up a thing and then yell at people for talking about the thing and giving you new information. Is that considered unsolicited help now?
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Just thought of drop it here, since it's an interesting read and it's pertinent to this whole GamerGate mess.
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@kt_ that's really long, so prepare for Blakey to ignore it and call it gamergate nonsense. It's around 8x too long for me to bother with, and I like reading.
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@Magus could it be a GamerGate nonsense? I thought GG was a 2015 fad. Either way, it's an interesting read. There's a lot of comments, so they might make it look a lot longer than it really is.
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Here, for all of you who can't read stuff longer than 500 words here's an excerpt from the beginning:
The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Johnny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else. "Your writing is so muddled." Sorry. Were you better persuaded by the concise prose of Amanda Hess?
Her article seems to be about what could be done to stop anonymous trolls from terrorizing and threatening women. How about prosecuting them, since terroristic threats is already a crime? Unfortunately, as Hess discovers, the police don't care much about online stalking, which is consistent since they don't care about IRL stalking either. But never mind, it's not the problem: misogyny is the problem, amplified 1000x by online anonymity. Anonymity makes the internet mean and gives trolls= men too much power. This is the subtle shift: what starts out as "misogyny is bad" becomes "anonymity facilitates misogyny."
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I can't do it, I can't format it correctly because of jellypotato on mobile when posting. @ben_lubar, @julianlam, can it be fixed finally? When composing on mobile the composer jumps up and down and dis- and re-appears in succession? It really makes participating from mobile a fucking pain. :(
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@kt_ said in Cowardly Nintendo Execs Fire Employee After GamerGate Are Assholes:
Here, for all of you who can't read stuff longer than 500 words here's an excerpt from the beginning:
The writing style makes even that exerpt hard to finish. I don't think I'll be reading the article
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@Jaloopa fair enough. It's very interesting, though and unfortunately this excerpt doesn't do it justice. He's taking a look at the problem of cyber bullying from quite a different perspective than usual and his analysis is a very nuanced one. However, his writing style is quite different from the usual and can be hard to grasp at first, I guess.
But I've just realized how this quote could middle what he's really trying to say. First of all, both paragraphs are from the article and second of all, he's not trying to justify cyber bullying of women. He's talking more about how arguments can be/are twisted by some and why they could be.
Quite interesting, especially if you don't agree, because it's an argument from a whole different level than arguments on the internet usually are.
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@kt_ I actually even rather liked the writing style, but after three major points, I scrolled and saw that there were at least three more and wanted to go to bed. It's a good article. But since it doesn't say 'all gamers are evil and harass women', you can't expect anyone who reads Kotaku articles to read it.
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@Magus get that :)
I'm no expert at GamerGate, so I can't even say if/where there is intersection between those two. I think there's not really a lot, because while GamerGate is a war between two sides, this guy decided to analyze not why cyber bullying exists or exactly how harmful it is, but rather examines how it is that backlash against man harassing women on the Internet was allowed to by system and if such activism is able to disrupt the status quo.
It all goes hand in hand with narcissism (hippie and post-hippie generations main disease, vide Woodstock) -- fight itself and the appearance of being a fighter is more important than actual winning.
So it's not really something to be systemically against by either side of your argument and seeing who is here on both sides of the GamerGate argument (pro and anti), I do think all of you are able to enjoy this reading. :)
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@kt_ I get that. But if you say you want to talk about that, instead of saying all gamers are evil, you will get stamped with the gamergate stamp and considered evil by association. It isn't gg vs anti-gg, it's anti-gg vs you-are-now-hitler.
It's a really stupid situation, and I wish people would stop putting people in stupid boxes for clicks, but that's where all of Kotaku's money comes from, so I don't expect them to stop. I'm not going near their filth. But that's also what that article is about.
Which is why, as far as some people are concerned, you are now gamergate. If you want to escape boxes, you get one.