Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems
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@blakeyrat One of your big QA gripes that you have could be fixed by just not zooming your browser. Problem solved. But no, you expect everything about responsive web design to change to suit your own
iness. They know that if your apparent browser window width is less than 992 pixels, you will get the mobile view. People have told you that. Yet you still report it as a bug.
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@flabdablet said:
@Maciejasjmj Ad hominem is not always a fallacy. Sometimes it's a really useful preliminary bogofilter.
You could simply NOT POST when you see my username.
But no. You don't like what I have to say, but you need to read my every thread because how else would you insult me? And insulting me-- isn't that what we're really all here for? Be honest.
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@flabdablet said:
@Maciejasjmj Ad hominem is not always a fallacy. Sometimes it's a really useful preliminary bogofilter.
Until you end up making a dolt of yourself by calling perfectly valid arguments a load of bullshit. Or even your own arguments.
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@Maciejasjmj Ah, well, that's the difference between offering advice and being a dick ;)
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@blakeyrat said:
@Polygeekery said:
Holy fuck, you are a goddamned asshole.
And let me guess, you just walk up to random people on the street and say, "hey, you should really try to stop smoking, it's bad for your lungs?" No? What would you think of a person who did that? Would you admire them, or would you think they were a rude motherfucker?
I would think they were rude, but that is not what we are talking about here. Stop building strawmen. All these goddamned smokers are likely to set us ablaze with their carelessly discarded butts.
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@FrostCat said:
You don't honestly believe a guy who's schtick is deliberately misunderstanding things was actually unclear about that, do you?
I have never heard the phrase "mode of speaking" before in my life. I Googled it; it seems pretty obscure based on that.
I don't care if you believe me or not, but that is the truth.
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@boomzilla said:
Look, moron, you've often refused to admit that people have pointed out how you were wrong about some particular piece of software and then go on to keep ranting under your bad assumptions. I'm thinking in particular of apt-get here, BTW.
Link me.
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@Polygeekery said:
I would think they were rude, but that is not what we are talking about here.
Oh, but that's exactly what we're talking about here. Perhaps that guy meant well, perhaps he just wanted to shame someone to make themselves feel better, doesn't matter, since they still came up to you and offered you useless advice that you've already heard hundreds of times.
That's pretty much the definition of "unsolicited advice".
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@blakeyrat said:
nobody QAed anything.
You know, this attitude/hyperbole right here, this is a lot of why Jeff, asshole as he is in his own right, abandoned us. Just because sufficient QA testing wasn't done doesn't mean any wasn't done. But noooooo, you have to come along and slag everyone who doesn't do things the perfect Blakeyrat way, and then you wonder why people treat you just like you already treated them. And this has been pointed out endlessly, but you seem to think it's fun to be an asshole, and that you can't understand why people keep being mean back to you. I'm sure you're smarter than that, but you probably will never admit it.
Then every once in a while you play the pity card--oooh, look at me, poor Blakey's near-suicidal. Well, maybe you are. But is sure sounds a hell of a lot more like you're just trying a different trolling tactic.
Maybe you should try being a nicer person.
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@boomzilla said:
That's a fucking lie.
Well look at it this way. The iframely plugin was your idea, right? How did you not notice it performed a DoS in the preview window while typing? Even the most cursory QA would have found that bug, which is easily a "severity 1, do not ship product".
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@blakeyrat said:
What would you think of a person who did that?
I would think you were just as bad for doing that as I do when you act like an asshole here.
In fact, doing that is the IRL equivalent of your entire persona here. But you keep on pretending you can't put two and two together and whine about how meeeeaaaaan the forum is, buddy.
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@Polygeekery said:
One of your big QA gripes that you have could be fixed by just not zooming your browser.
Oh right; and if someone has thick uncomfortable glasses, obviously the best advice is to not use them. It doesn't matter that he's driving an 18-wheeler while legally blind.
Look, I need the zoom to be able to read the tiny text. I didn't zoom in just on a whim.
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@Polygeekery said:
They know that if your apparent browser window width is less than 992 pixels, you will get the mobile view. People have told you that. Yet you still report it as a bug.
Why wouldn't I? It is still a bug.
Even if I wanted the browser to go into mobile mode based on its width (which of course I don't), it's still broken that turning on zoom makes the width WIDER. For me it's not 992 pixels, it's more like 1200. Which is RIDICULOUSLY wide for a browser.
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@blakeyrat said:
Well look at it this way. The iframely plugin was your idea, right? How did you not notice it performed a DoS in the preview window while typing? Even the most cursory QA would have found that bug, which is easily a "severity 1, do not ship product".
Why would I have noticed a "DoS" was going on? It just looks to me like the preview was updating.
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@blakeyrat said:
Look, I need the zoom to be able to read the tiny text. I didn't zoom in just on a whim.
Don't browsers have a setting to configure a minimum font size? I know Chrome does; just set it to what you need, and you won't need the zoom anymore.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
Oh, but that's exactly what we're talking about here.
No, it isn't.
If a person that I know said, "I am having issues with git, when I do X then Y happens and fucks everything up" am I supposed to just say "That's cool"? Just not say anything?
No. I will offer to help if I know how to do things the right way. And if that person screeches and howls at me and is a total fucktard...I will ask them just exactly WTF is wrong with them.
Blakey just wants to bitch. That gets old.
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@FrostCat said:
You know, this attitude/hyperbole right here, this is a lot of why Jeff, asshole as he is in his own right, abandoned us
Are you now defending Jeff & Co. pushing obviously glaring bugs to production that should have been caught if someone actually spent five minutes using the software? Because those things happened, and not once. But no, poor developers should be excused for releasing things that could easily be abused to steal sensitive information on any other forum, because someone at the Internet yelled at them for it and now they're sad.
I mean... fuck me, I guess @Yamikuronue's right, you guys would say anything if it means disagreeing with Blakey. If Blakey tried to convince you the Earth is round, you'd just go ahead and argue that it's flat.
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@blakeyrat said:
I don't care if you believe me or not, but that is the truth.
Well, I don't pretend to have shoulder aliens, and I clearly understood what he meant. Maybe you need better shoulder aliens.
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@Polygeekery said:
I would think they were rude, but that is not what we are talking about here.
That is EXACTLY what we're talking about, unsolicited advice. Look, I don't know how you were raised, but in my upbringing you never offer advice unless:
- the person is literally about to kill themselves or someone else
- they asked you for it
Those are the ONLY two circumstances in which it's ok to give unsolicited advice. (EDIT and only in the first is it unsolicited so, uh. Bad writing there.)
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@Polygeekery said:
If a person that I know said, "I am having issues with git, when I do X then Y happens and fucks everything up" am I supposed to just say "That's cool"? Just not say anything?
To be fair, this is a problem I have in real life. A friend will say something like "OMG I hate my car, it can't drive in snow!" and I start explaining how they can pump the brake pedal to regain traction when all they actually wanted was a place to vent. I always want to solve the problems, but that's not always the right response.
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@blakeyrat said:
Look, I need the zoom to be able to read the tiny text. I didn't zoom in just on a whim.
By the way, I'm going to agree that the default text size here, like on so many other sites apparently run by twentysomethings, is too goddamn small.
STOP USING FUCKING 8PX FONTS FOR YOUR GODDAMN SITES, PEOPLE.
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@RaceProUK said:
Don't browsers have a setting to configure a minimum font size? I know Chrome does; just set it to what you need, and you won't need the zoom anymore.
I think this is the "unsolicited advice" he was talking about. He doesn't want help, he just wants to bitch.
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@FrostCat said:
And this has been pointed out endlessly, but you seem to think it's fun to be an asshole, and that you can't understand why people keep being mean back to you.
Huh? I don't care if people are mean to me. When did I say that? Where is this coming from?
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@Maciejasjmj said:
Are you now defending Jeff & Co
Are you now pretending to be blakeyrat and twisting what I said?
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@FrostCat said:
But you keep on pretending you can't put two and two together and whine about how meeeeaaaaan the forum is, buddy.
You're just literally making shit up, aren't you?
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@blakeyrat said:
in my upbringing you never offer advice unless
Did you by any chance grow up on a commune? Unsolicited advice is what people do.
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@Yamikuronue said:
I always want to solve the problems, but that's not always the right response.
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@boomzilla said:
Why would I have noticed a "DoS" was going on?
Because you would have tested against regressions from the previous implementation on Discourse, and that bug was one of the first (and worst) we found with their YouTube onebox.
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@blakeyrat said:
Look, I don't know how you were raised, but in my upbringing you never offer advice unless:
the person is literally about to kill themselves or someone else
@blakeyrat said:
The only thing that stops me from suicide most weeks is nobody would feed my cat.
Sooooo...can we offer advice or not?
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@FrostCat said:
By the way, I'm going to agree that the default text size here, like on so many other sites apparently run by twentysomethings, is too goddamn small.
If only the browsers had a standard functionality that's been there for decades to fix that problem!
@FrostCat said:
Are you now pretending to be blakeyrat and twisting what I said?
Dude.
@FrostCat said:
You know, this attitude/hyperbole right here, this is a lot of why Jeff, asshole as he is in his own right, abandoned us. Just because sufficient QA testing wasn't done doesn't mean any wasn't done. But noooooo, you have to come along and slag everyone who doesn't do things the perfect Blakeyrat way, and then you wonder why people treat you just like you already treated them.
You literally said that it was totally okay for Jeff to put his hands over his ears, ignore every single thing we've said and keep on in his merry ways because he's been yelled at.
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@blakeyrat said:
I don't care if people are mean to me.
Oh, you just complain about it for fun, right?
Yeah, thanks for confirming my theory that "poor stupid blakeyrat who's nearly ready to commit suicide on any given day" was just another layer of trolling.
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@Polygeekery said:
If a person that I know said, "I am having issues with git, when I do X then Y happens and fucks everything up" am I supposed to just say "That's cool"? Just not say anything?
I would be ecstatic if you simply said nothing instead of giving unsolicited advice.
I'm not even sure why you're asking.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
I mean... fuck me, I guess @Yamikuronue's right, you guys would say anything if it means disagreeing with Blakey.
Don't fall prey to the blakey delusion.
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@blakeyrat said:
You're just literally making shit up, aren't you?
Someone not from Planet Earth might well think so.
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@blakeyrat said:
You're just literally making shit up, aren't you?
No, he isn't. That is how you come across. Maybe it is a failure of purely text-based communication. But that is how you appear a hell of a lot of the time. Case in point, the browser zoom bullshit.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
You literally said that it was totally okay for Jeff to put his hands over his ears, ignore every single thing we've said and keep on in his merry ways because he's been yelled at.
<blakeyrat>No I didn't. Show me the exact words where I "literally" said that. You can't because I didn't.</blakeyrat>
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@FrostCat I'd watch that video, but NodeBB refuses to play it O.o It played like 3 seconds, then stopped, and now it won't play anymore.
But guessing what it's about, it's not just a woman-man thing, I've had that problem with male friends as well. It's a... I guess the DISC terminology is a D vs an S thing: Dominant personality types want to fix all the problems and have no time for social pleasantries, while [whatever S-type stood for again] wants to build good relationships first and foremost.
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@blakeyrat said:
I would be ecstatic if you simple said nothing instead of giving unsolicited advice.
These are forums. They are a method of communication. If everyone did only that...why the fuck have forums?
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@Yamikuronue said:
A friend will say something like "OMG I hate my car, it can't drive in snow!" and I start explaining how they can pump the brake pedal to regain traction when all they actually wanted was a place to vent. I always want to solve the problems, but that's not always the right response.
Yeah don't do that in real life, either. It's awful behavior.
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@Yamikuronue Just go to youtube and search for "It's not about the nail".
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@FrostCat said:
I'm going to agree that the default text size here, like on so many other sites apparently run by twentysomethings, is too goddamn small.
STOP USING FUCKING 8PX FONTS FOR YOUR GODDAMN SITES, PEOPLE.
Hipster whitespace bulletin board survival kit:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/nosquint/
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@flabdablet said:
@FrostCat said:
I'm going to agree that the default text size here, like on so many other sites apparently run by twentysomethings, is too goddamn small.
STOP USING FUCKING 8PX FONTS FOR YOUR GODDAMN SITES, PEOPLE.
Hipster whitespace bulletin board survival kit:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/nosquint/That may solve the problem, but it also falls under "unsolicited advice". :-P
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@Polygeekery said:
Sooooo...can we offer advice or not?
Oh yeah, FYI, @blakeyrat don't kill yourself, your cat would miss you. This has been my "I'm not a terrible shitbag" PSA of the week, you may resume your normal conversation.
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@blakeyrat said:
Because you would have tested against regressions from the previous implementation on Discourse, and that bug was one of the first (and worst) we found with their YouTube onebox.
No, I wouldn't have. The performance didn't seem to be a problem like it was with Discourse, so it didn't seem to be an issue.
But I've never claimed to be some crack QA person. Or even really a "web" developer.
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@blakeyrat said:
I would be ecstatic if you simple said nothing instead of giving unsolicited advice.
When you start discussing a topic, people are going to discuss it. If this is going to trigger you, maybe you shouldn't read what other people say. Stick to twitter or a blog without comments or something?
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@RaceProUK said:
Don't browsers have a setting to configure a minimum font size? I know Chrome does; just set it to what you need, and you won't need the zoom anymore.
I like how you post this RIGHT in the middle of a discussion of how awful unsolicited advice is. Jesus.
Look, zoom can be done by domain. AFAIK minimum font size cannot. There are only a few domains I need zoomed.
And even if I worked around it by using some other feature, that doesn't change the fact, fact, that this is a hugely important bug in NodeBB.
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@Polygeekery But that's OK because I'm not offering it to blakey.
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@flabdablet said:
Hipster whitespace bulletin board survival kit
That sounds pretty nice, but then I'd have FF on me. I'll go look for a Chrome version, though.
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@Yamikuronue said:
I'd watch that video, but NodeBB refuses to play it O.o It played like 3 seconds, then stopped, and now it won't play anymore.
What browser? It played fine for me on chrome 49.0.2623.87 (64-bit) on linux.
edit: But it stopped in the middle when I posted this.
