"Jump, Apple". "How high, ancarda?"
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C'mon! Are you so sure you can't get 100 users here to send Blakey an e-mail just to annoy him? He never said the e-mail had to be written in Lojban, did he?
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But that's half the fun of PHP, you get to figure out all the shiny things all the other languages already have.
It could be worse, I could be using PHP-GTK which I discovered recently is still supported!
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Go-GTK is a thing, so me and Ben could team up and write this.
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Is any of your PHP-GTK horrors online anywhere? I remember you mentioning it a few times and I'm starting to wonder how bad it is.
It can't be that bad... can it?
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No, nothing I wrote ever made the Internet, it was best part of a decade ago.
Consider a PHP script that runs in an infinite loop, most of which is a faux-blocking function that hangs around waiting for an event, but remember that PHP isn't event driven, and doesn't even pretend to abstract it away like VB tries to.
Plus GTK is fugly.
It can run on PHP 5.5 even for Windows.
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Eh, I wouldn't call it that much, but in this case, nothing PHP-GTK ever made the internets.
I could give it a go some time if people here are curious to see what the worst that could happen is...
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Discourse native client. In PHP. Using PHP-GTK.
Do it.
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But we're moving off Discourse soon.
I should open a discussion on it and then a poll...
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NodeBB native client in PHP-GTK, then?
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Other people might have other ideas than a forum client ;)
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You always loved that image editor on the Amiga, right?
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SockBot compatibility layer?
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Plz to be seeing new thread kthx
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Go-GTK is a thing, so me and Ben could team up and write this.
It uses cgo, which means we get the memory safety of C and the speed of Go with C stuffed up its butt.
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nothing PHP-GTK ever made the internets
http://www.gracecctorpoint.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/praise-god.jpg
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But then maybe it could be a thing, for science, for the glory and for !
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no idea why I've got notified of this topic...
how about adding true randomness to iTunes? and to every spotlight 5th result.
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Bro, your own posts are a better source of true randomness than mine! Anywhere else I'd accept this, but not with you and @xaade around!
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... spend the next three months losing game after game before finally filling every single tile of the world with seven layers of magma.
This must be the best advert for this game I've ever heard. I almost genuinely want to play it, even though I should be doing other stuff.
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how about adding true randomness to iTunes? and to every spotlight 5th result.
In slow motion! Nobody shares randomness like this!
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What benefits do you get from using Lojban to communicate with other humans?
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The main benefit is suppose to be unambiguous communication, but I never learned Lojban to fluency and never had multi-long hour face to face conversations so I can't tell if real ambiguity was ever easily avoided.
When I found Lojban a few years ago, I found I was able to use it to understand the world around me a lot better and I still use it today either in writing or thinking. I've been able to learn a lot about myself just by doing simple things like writing my goals in Lojban. The language is fairly resistant to convoluted terms like remuneration and collateral damage which I've always found as the Newspeak words in English.
A practical example is one of my New Years Resolutions is to eat less junk food. Translating this directly into Lojban yields {.i na citka lo xladja}. I realized in translating this I wasn't so interested in health so much. I wanted to save money. Under English I could get away with eating expensive food and still be meeting my goal. Under Lojban I sort of can't because {xladja} ("bad food") isn't precise why it's bad, it's up for evaluation by me. Technically I should change the word to something like "expensive food", but I should look after my health more.
Finally, I use Lojban a lot to understand myself and who I am as a person. Something I'm sure people here can relate to, I'm a bit weird. Lojban's built in reduce method combined with good handling of emotion has helped me tackle some of the most fundamental parts of my life like my sexuality in ways English just didn't seem to cover. Even if I never say a word of Lojban, I'll be thinking and writing in it for the rest of my life.
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But we're moving off Discourse soon.
Yeah, soon. If soon means in fact: someday, maybe, we're hoping.
It looks like CDCDKKCDKC have done everything that's in their power to make migrations as hard as possible. They even went as far as calling rollbacks to previous versions "migrations" and made it impossible too!
So, come on, do it!
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I thought I saw a post by an "ac14135d35f6e49600097fa739a4da2b" above mine, but clearly I didn't, because their username is invalid.
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It's not unambiguous in the sense of meaning. It is unambiguous in the sense of grammar.
You can really think of a lot of lojban words as an object that takes arguments. Therefore their relationship is clearly defined.
So you can't produce something like say: Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
But you can still talk complete nonsense that other people won't understand for lack of context as well as in any other language.
And it's ultimately a weird premise to build a language based on "un-ambiguity" when really language is mostly about building a group identity and saying things that outsiders won't understand :)
But I find it a fun project to watch.
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accept this
what's there to be accepted and where would you take it?
Even if I never say a word of Lojban
it would be quite sad to learn a language and never sign a nice song in it.
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I was thinking of the example of "pretty little girl's school" which could be interpreted many ways.
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I can't sing Perhaps I could write a song in Lojban? There are some songs on YouTube (.i ca pa djedi by selpa'i comes to mind).
The real tragedy would never being able to speak it face to face, as it is a wonderful language. Oh well.
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A practical example is one of my New Years Resolutions is to eat less junk food. Translating this directly into Lojban yields {.i na citka lo xladja}. I realized in translating this I wasn't so interested in health so much. I wanted to save money. Under English I could get away with eating expensive food and still be meeting my goal. Under Lojban I sort of can't because {xladja} ("bad food") isn't precise why it's bad, it's up for evaluation by me.
So the strength of the language is that it's imprecise, or that the translation from English is wrong? I'm... really confused how that's something that would sell the language to me.
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It's the same selling point as Toki Pona; you can be precise if you want to be but by default it's more raw in meaning.
I'm not trying to sell anything to you.
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I can't sing
nobody can sing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xzWbRwOio
or sign. I for instance can only find (under 1 minute) videos for one.
The real tragedy
you're underestimating the power of music!
tom hanks might never need to get back or finding wilson had he tried mumbling songs.
or not.
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The language is fairly resistant to convoluted terms
jbojevysofkemsuzgugje'ake'eborkemfaipaltrusi'oke'ekemgubyseltru
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Singing is just sustained talking.... Say 'Ice Cream'
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And it's ultimately a weird premise to build a language based on "un-ambiguity" when really language is mostly about building a group identity and saying things that outsiders won't understand
But I find it a fun project to watch.
I'll just leave this here:
Filed under: we already had a universal language, you youngsters have no appreciation of history,
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when really language is mostly about building a group identity and saying things that outsiders won't understand
That's an amazingly half empty way to look at it.
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@boomzilla said:
That's an amazingly
half emptyaccurate way to look at it.FTFY
So the purpose of communicating is to not communicate? Because that's what it says about language.
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You are communicating, but it is with the in-group and not with the out-group. Which in turn is a form of communication to those in the out-group (granted it is mostly "neener neener you aren't in this group").
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I can accept her statement as snark. But it sounds like something that should be highlighted in the microaggression thread or something if uttered in earnest.
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@royal_poet said:
when really language is mostly about building a group identity and saying things that outsiders won't understand
That's an amazingly half empty way to look at it.
See also: fashion, culture, country clubs, etc.
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jbojevysofkemsuzgugje'ake'eborkemfaipaltrusi'oke'ekemgubyseltru
It's almost like you didn't see--or ignored--the first adjective in that sentence you quoted.
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Eh. Humans are hard-wired to form small groups of attachment and to dehumanize anyone not in their group, to some extent. That's why it's difficult to be compassionate about or have empathy for people you've never met, compared to people you have.
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It's not really depressing, I was just trying to flippantly wrap up something complex in very few words and clearly failed.
Setting yourself apart from others as a group creates a sense of belonging and a unit. It's a basic human desire for structure and emotional warmth made manifest.
Increase the number of speakers and the logic breaks down. You can see it in Esperanto which was designed with a pretty logical grammar. Not to the point of Lojban but still very logical compared to a natural language. Throw some speakers at it - and suddenly there are irregularities.
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Exactly that.