🔥 Yore driving, Deez roasted Nuts! 🔥
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Since we're already having a nice flamewar here:
I have the habit of starting to slow down about 200m before a red light instead of at the last moment, because frequently, it allows me to continue driving without fully stopping, which saves fuel and a few seconds of time. I don't do that in heavy traffic, but even in light traffic it sometimes seems to annoy the people behind me.
Am I
or are the people behind me idiots?
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the stupid start-stop-automatic thing my car has
Mine has an off button for that. The only time I disable it is in that sort of traffic.
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are the people behind me idiots
They are, light is red so yes you can slow down early.
What does annoy me on my commute is people who at green very, very slowly start because they have to take an off ramp that starts after the light. You freaks! The light is green! Give it some gas and move over to the other lane ... don't keep hoovering like that in between two lanes. You are blocking sane people!
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Am I
or are the people behind me idiots?To my mind, the people behind you are idiots. Or at least are not drivers used to thinking about their driving; they probably drive badly in many other ways because of this lack of thought. Whether you've got right the exact profile of when to slow and how much is right is another matter.
However it also depends on the junction. If the junction only turns green for you some time after you've tripped some sensor (often an induction loop, at least in the UK) dawdling up to it is potentially not efficient at all. That sort of sensor arrangement is pretty common (at least round here) where there's a set of lights at the junction of a minor and a major road. Rolling up slowly to behind someone who is already stopped at the junction (and who will have triggered the sensor) makes more sense.
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The only time I disable it is in that sort of traffic.
Only time I disable it is when I don't want to airco to stop blowing hot/cold (depending on the season you morons)
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don't keep hoovering like that in between two lanes
Fun fact: “hoovering” is used to mean “using a vacuum cleaner” in the UK, making that statement weird!
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However it also depends on the junction. If the junction only turns green for you some time after you've tripped some sensor (often an induction loop, at least in the UK) dawdling up to it is potentially not efficient at all.
Of course, I don't do that at intersections in the middle of nowhere were induction loops are usually used. This strategy only works well on a major road.
hoovering like that in between two lanes
God, I hate those people. They're the same people who don't care whether they're blocking an intersection or not.
There are a lot of those where I live, unfortunately. You end up having to block the crowded intersections yourself after trying to be nice for 10 minutes, because otherwise you won't be able to turn left at all.
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Only time I disable it is when I don't want to airco to stop blowing hot/cold (depending on the season you morons)
The stop-start doesn't generally kick on mine in if it's too cold/hot inside the car but on the occasions it has, the blowers have carried on blowing hot/cold.
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making that statement weird!
I do my best to make my statements as weird as possible, fish tank!
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:dont_get_me_started:
The last time I tried not to block one of the heavily-used intersections here during rush hour, I ended up waiting more than 20 minutes (not exaggerating!) to turn left, after which I decided to just block the intersection myself instead.
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too cold/hot inside the car but on the occasions it has, the blowers have carried on blowing hot/cold.
If it really is too hold/cold it doesn't stop blowing but if it isn't it reduces it's blowing significantly until it's as good as not blowing. This blows.
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Am I
or are the people behind me idiots?
If I want to turn left at the lights and the turn left lane has different green phases than the straight ahead lane, I hate you. Because then I will arrive just as my light turns red and have to wait a full cycle.Other than that, you're doing it right. Especially if you have this thing called "green wave" here where you don't have to stop at all if you are going at a certain speed. This works fine up to the first idiot that goes faster than said speed and then has to stop at the light, so everybody else has to stop as well (or brake, at least) and wait until he is up to speed again. VERY annoying.
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Mine has an off button for that.
So does mine, but I foolishly changed its parameters so it now stays off forever instead of resetting when I turn the ignition off. I thought this might be a good thing, but of course now I forget to turn it on again.
And I can't be arsed to get that (semi-legal) OBD software running again to change it back.
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but I foolishly changed its parameters so it now stays off forever instead of resetting when I turn the ignition off
Ah... layer 8 problem ;)
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@Zecc said:
Since I'm in no rush, I signal them to go ahead.
Poll time!
Do you ever signal other drivers that you are forfeiting your right of way?
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- Sometimes. It really depends on the situation, but if it doesn't make much difference to me or the cars behind me, and if it will benefit you, then maybe I'll throw you a bone if I'm in the mood. I like to think you'd do the same for me if our roles were reversed.
- I'll forfeit my right of way if it benefits me indirectly, and/or I'm okay with other drivers moving ahead of me as long as they don't make me change my trajectory. But I would never communicate non-verbally with other drivers! It's a distraction! Except for honking when I'm mad at them, of course.
- Never! If I have the right of way I must take it. Even if it means I must floor the gas pedal. Even if it means I'll strain my suspension over some speed bumps just so I can get in time to cut you off. Even if it means I'll have to slam the brakes afterwards because there's a congestion. And if I've been waiting at an intersection for some time before you arrived and you have the right of way, then I expect you to always be a proper asshole and not let me in; because if you do, you're an asshole for breaking my expectations.
- No, I don't think this poll is biased, why do you ask?
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This poll looks like crap. Why are the numbers shown next to the wrong bar? Why does the text flow around the numbers to make it look even more messy?
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Why are the numbers shown next to the wrong bar? Why does the text flow around the numbers to make it look even more messy?
Discourse
Why does the text flow around the numbers to make it look even more messy?
Discourse
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I only ever forfeit my right of way if the result of enforcing it would be a deadlock.
Anything else would be a violation of the terms of use I had to sign in blood when I got my first <brand> car.
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I let people in ahead of me who are trapped at the gas station that's literally a stone's throw from the freeway onramp they're aiming for, but who have a hell of a time getting into the flow once rush-hour traffic backs up from the opposite-direction onramp all the way down the block...
Does that count?
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Only if you get out and punch them in the face if they don't get the hint fast enough.
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I let people in ahead of me who are trapped at the gas station that's literally a stone's throw from the freeway onramp they're aiming for, but who have a hell of a time getting into the flow once rush-hour traffic backs up from the opposite-direction onramp all the way down the block...
Bad junction design, ahoy!
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Bad junction design, ahoy!
If you haven't driven in Belgium you haven't seen bad road design
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I solve this whole problem by taking public transportation.
<gotta stoke the
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I solve this whole problem by taking public transportation.
As long as it's trains or underground: Fine by me.
If it's buses or trams: Fuck them, and fuck you.
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If you haven't driven in ■■■■■■■ you haven't seen bad road design
I have driven in ■■■■■■■ and they don't have a monopoly.
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Anyone else see this?
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Yes and there's two shades of green when you select too.
I'm on an iPad. YMMV because.
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No can repro (Opera/Chromium/PC)
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Unfolding quote + hovering reproduces it for me.
FF Developer Edition, Windows 7
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I'm on an iPad. YMMV because.
No, I can repro on desktop. (Chrome on Win 7)
Apparently they apply
box-shadowwith a spread of100pxon hover. While not the worst decision ever, it does result in stupid shit like this.
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Mobile... isn't... different?
E_SORCERY_NOT_FOUND
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Ah, on hover. Yes, that I can repro.
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Am I
or are the people behind me idiots?(b).
I am frequently astonished by the number of drivers who think getting to the next red light as fast as possible is a good idea. I am also frequently amused by gliding past one of these clowns at 30km/h a second or two after the light has turned green.
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If it's buses or trams: Fuck them, and fuck you.
I don't get the hate for buses and trams. If 50 people are travelling down the road in a bus or a tram, they're taking up way, way less road than they would be if they were all in their own cars.
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@anotherusername said:
The constriction is further on, not at the merge point.
Merge earlier, and now you've got a longer constriction. Congratulations, that certainly helps.
Doesn't matter. All that matters is how fast cars are getting through the actual constriction and how many cars there are in front of you. It doesn't matter how many lanes the cars in front of you are occupying; if the merge point isn't causing the constriction, it has no effect.
If there are 100 cars in front of you and they're moving through the constriction at a rate of 10 per minute you'll be waiting for 10 minutes. Doesn't matter one bit whether they're in one lane of 100 or in two lanes of 50.
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It doesn't matter how many lanes the cars in front of you are occupying; if the merge point isn't causing the constriction, it has no effect.
In which case there isn't enough traffic on the road to make traffic issues worth thinking about.
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I don't get the hate for buses and trams. If 50 people are travelling down the road in a bus or a tram, they're taking up way, way less road than they would be if they were all in their own cars.
Let me illustrate with an anecdote from when the bus drivers recently staged a strike here in Phoenix.
My primary route home involves a good deal of time spent on surface streets and even passes on of the bus depots where the strike was being staged, so I was aware of when the strike was on. Now, since the buses aren't all driven by union members, the strike didn't completely shut down the routes, but the schedule was significantly restricted. The first couple days I noticed something interesting: traffic on the surface streets was flowing much more smoothly. Once the strike was over, traffic on the surface streets was noticeably worse again.
Now I'm not sure about the reason, but I do have a hypothesis: bus stops. Most of the bus stops I pass require the bus to block a lane of traffic, and many of them are about 100 feet after a major intersection, about like this (specifically pay attention to the stop on west-bound Broadway, just past the intersection with 7th St):
So now you have a bus, moving along and blocking a lane of traffic at intervals. If the people behind them aren't paying attention, they end up blocking an intersection, where the light may switch, meaning that multiple directions of traffic are now blocked by the bus. To avoid this, drivers are constantly trying to get around buses whenever the opportunity arises.
Then there's the roads with bus stops and railroad tracks. Because of regulations, the buses are required to stop, open their doors, listen for a train, close the doors, and then resume driving. There is a stretch of road where I drive regularly that has bus stops and about 6 railroad crossing in a half mile. Fortunately, I'm aware of the bus schedule along there and able to avoid any congestion issues there, but I've been stuck behind a bus on that road, and it is a pain in the ass.
tl;dr: Buses fuck up the traffic around them.
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Do you ever signal other drivers that you are forfeiting your right of way in the middle of the god damn road when you're going straight and are expected to not stop?
FTFY the answer is no.
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Buses fuck up the traffic around them.
Granted. I still think they're likely to fuck it up less than 50 extra cars.
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That was English.
Sidewalk is American.
In fact, given the propensity to remove vowels in American, I'm surprised it doesn't resemble Welsh and is spelled sydwlk.
You know what, both of you are weird.
With an ending e telling you how to pronounce the vowel in the midde (glade vs. glad) neither of you deserve to complain about how words are spelled.
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First of all, I said: "As late as possible". This means that the traffic should flow on both lanes up until the constriction and then merge.
And this has been proven by science and experience to be the bane of traffic.
Reality speaks for itself and merging as soon as you have a chance once knowledge of a constriction is available is the best course of action.
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I don't get the hate for buses and trams. If 50 people are travelling down the road in a bus or a tram, they're taking up way, way less road than they would be if they were all in their own cars.
Yes, but in the city where I work they regularly screw up the traffic light phases and integration (see: green wave) just so they can sail through. They literally press a button to keep my light red from two kilometres away. And if two buses do this in short succession (one in each direction) I have to wait five fucking minutes until I can go on. And that's if I'm close enough to the traffic lights to get through on the next green phase.I don't mind that they are on the same road as me. I hate their special-snowflake-fuck-the-traffic-flow status. I'd rather have 50 more cars going with me.
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Reality speaks for itself and merging as soon as you have a chance once knowledge of a constriction is available is the best course of action.
Fine, be my guest. More space for me on the passing lane. People like you have saved literally hours of my life.
Just don't be an asshole about it and let me zip merge before the construction.
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Oh, I half merge and force people in the passing lane to merge early.
Because, fuck those guys.
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Ah, so the worst of two worlds. Breaking the law AND hindering people who want to obey it.
Great driving there. Please don't come to Germany.
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Reality says that you're a moron.
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If you merge when there is already gaps in traffic then you do so without hindering traffic as much.
If you merge at the last second you have to slow down, which causes the lane next to you to slow down and therefore slows down all of the traffic.
This is a proven thing.
The real issue is brought up by constrictions, the fact that people don't create good following distance. This causes all kinds of mergers to slow down traffic.
Properly maintaining following distance and early merging is what creates traffic flow.
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This is a proven thing.
Nope. Why don't you enlighten yourself by looking a bit upthread instead of jumping in at the end, ignore everything that's already been said and make yourself look like a fool in the process?
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Nope. Why don't you enlighten yourself by looking a bit upthread instead of jumping in at the end, ignore everything that's already been said and make yourself look like a fool in the process?
I already did.
Just because you maintain everyone is wrong, doesn't mean you are correct, much less have a consensus that would explain your entitlement to winning some argument that I've come late into.
