Why are reddit and 4chan actually talking politics and economics according to random WTDWTF users
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Whenever I hear someone criticising someone else for being a "controversial feminist" or blaming woes on SJWs
What's your opinion on this?
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Let's not try to make it more like an ideal meritocracy.
It's better to just ban the word meritocracy, and sit in the dark silently crying to ourselves as if nothing can be done to make it better, because playing the victim is far more profitable.
Maybe they are afraid that if it were a meritocracy, they would still fail. (they being the people that scream the loudest, not the people they supposedly defend. NotYourShield)
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@Jaloopa said:
Whenever I hear someone criticising someone else for being a "controversial feminist" or blaming woes on SJWs
What's your opinion on this?
You weren't asking me, but I'll answer anyways.
Intellectual confusion. "We don't want the best. We want women and minorities, too." I know that's not what they mean to say, but that's how it sounds.
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All it does is further the myth that white men are the best.
By banning the word meritocracy, it implies that minorities can't really compete.
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that, i did not say. however, i do think that the minimum paying job in an area should be high enough pay to support a single person libing in that area.
The average rent in NYC is, what, $3000/mo? You think McDonald's should pay someone, I dunno, $5K/mo or whatever to flip burgers, to make sure xe has enough money for transportation, clothign, food, heat, entertainment, etc,. etc?
Just making sure you've thought that statement all the way through.
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i do think that the minimum paying job in an area should be high enough pay to support a single person libing in that area
If you enforce it with law, it will be.
Anything paying less than that wage will just disappear.
So, what you have is not, every job pays at least living wage. You have, only jobs that pay living wage exist.
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You think McDonald's should pay someone, I dunno, $5K/mo or whatever to flip burgers
In a truly free market, they'd have to: nobody would take a job that pays less than they need.
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In a truly free market, they'd have to
No, they'd seek out alternatives. Like, designing their business so that it needs less employees, or higher skilled employees, or outsource work abroad or with machines.
Their gross is fixed by the time they go to pay employees.
They may raise prices, but then they'd sell less.
All you effectively did, is prevent people from working who don't need a living wage, or only need partially supportive income. Like students or spouses.
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designing their business so that it needs less employees
If that's cheaper than paying their employees, they should.
or higher skilled employees
We're talking about burger flipping.
or outsource work abroad
I bet that burger tastes great after it's been shipped fresh off the griddle in India.
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In a truly free market, they'd have to: nobody would take a job that pays less than they need.
If the market determined that, then that would be OK! What's not OK is someone making $8/hr flipping burgers, and spending ten years in that job, and trying to raise two kids on top of that. You should be trying to move beyond that, not demanding that McD's double your pay. In this specific case, we all know what's going to happen: McD's is just going to replace you with a robot.
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If that's cheaper than paying their employees, they should.
I agree, but that doesn't solve the living wage problem. Instead of two people paid half living wage, one person is paid living wage and the other is unemployed.
We're talking about burger flipping.
It takes higher skill to ensure a machine run business is still operating, than managing people.
I bet that burger tastes great after it's been shipped fresh off the griddle in India.
- The burgers are partially cooked already, to speed up cooking time.
- They can outsource the people taking orders, and they have.
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Like students
For a full-time employee to make a living wage using Frostcat's numbers, that's about $31.50/hr. If you only work 10 hours a week because you're a student, you make $1250/mo - a comfortable amount for books, food, et cetera. Sounds great for a student.
or spouses.
Without a living wage, reproductive options are limited.
You should be trying to move beyond that
Have you looked at the job market lately? I'm living with two people who are actively job hunting right now. This advice is great when there's more jobs than workers. When there's more workers than jobs, someone gets the short end of the stick based on pure luck, regardless of what they do to better themselves. Getting a PhD when the only openings are for burger flipping just leads to more debt.
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If you run a community of any kind, you need to deal with repeated complaints against individuals or groups. Business or no business, that's how it is.
Yeah, tell the complainers to fuck off, or ban individuals. Don't ban subreddits unless it's illegal.
right, and occasionally you will have to moderate people and groups by removing them from the community
Qft.losing.
The reddit way.
/r/videos right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKQTdYms3Ik
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/39fvtx/thin_privilege_is_being_able_to_take_a_helicopter/
back on rails ;)
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Have you looked at the job market lately?
Yes, and I meant in general, not today in $insert_small_town_name.
If you're trying to raise a family on a single McD's income, you're doing several things wrong. I knew that when I was as teenager doing retail work.
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that's about $31.50/hr
except, now those jobs don't exist.
Without a living wage, reproductive options are limited.
If the bread winner is making 60k, there's nothing wrong with supplementing that income with a zero skill job earning 12k.
When there's more workers than jobs, someone gets the short end of the stick based on pure luck
And instead of taking a $8 an hour job to get by with a little welfare help, they now take nothing and hope unemployment lasts.
All you've done is delete jobs. You have not improved the average life of minimum wage earners.
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@FrostCat said:
You think McDonald's should pay someone, I dunno, $5K/mo or whatever to flip burgers
In a truly free market, they'd have to: nobody would take a job that pays less than they need.
Then maybe no more McDonalds. Or possibly other people who don't need that much money would be happy to take the jobs.
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Without a living wage, reproductive options are limited.
Choices have consequences.
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What's your opinion on this?http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug
Are they going to start a douchebag jar for when people say "You guys!"
Heh...this line in the link cracked me up:
Incidentally, she provides no link here to all the "reading" she's done on the issue -- she does link Tumblr, though, which I think we can all agree is one of the most profound journals of critical thought in the world today.
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The ones who were banned, especially FatPeopleHate, were ones that had started leaking all over the site. It's one thing if they stay in their area, and no one else has to know about it. It's another if, even in completely unrelated subs and their comment sections, you constantly see that kind of thing.
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But deleting the subreddit won't stop those users infecting the rest of the site
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I bet that burger tastes great after it's been shipped fresh off the griddle in India.
Not necessary:
Here's The Burger-Flipping Robot That Could Put Fast-Food Workers Out Of A Job
A company called Momentum Machines has built a robot "meant to completely obviate [employees]."
You were saying?
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Yes they did. That entire damn subreddit was created specifically for the purpose of harassing people. There is no other reason for it's existence.
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That entire damn subreddit was created specifically for the purpose of harassing people. There is no other reason for it's existence.
Harassment must be targeted at a person. It is not harassment if no person is being harassed. If people talk badly about someone in a distant location, and that person never knows about it, they are not being harassed. Unless your last name starts with a Q.
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You're gonna have to explain how Ellen Pao is any worse than any other VC person out there. I see this "She's a terrible person!" meme thrown out there all the time, but nothing that explains why, other than she does the same shit that other VCs do. Oh, and she's a woman.
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You're gonna have to explain how Ellen Pao is any worse than any other VC person out there.
Why?
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This advice is great when there's more jobs than workers. When there's more workers than jobs, someone gets the short end of the stick based on pure luck, regardless of what they do to better themselves. Getting a PhD when the only openings are for burger flipping just leads to more debt.
Create your own job.
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Then the moderators of that subreddit should ban the content and the poster if they don't want it on their sub.
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I would worry far more about an adult being able to provide for themselves and their family than your kid being able to earn beer money.
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Why not? They want to sell their products there, and they want people working in their stores. I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't.
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I would worry far more about an adult being able to provide for themselves and their family than your kid being able to earn beer money.
True, they probably ought to be put in a special home somewhere. Clearly they don't have what it takes to deal with society.
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I don't agree with that statement at all. You're saying that unless gossip is told to someone's face, it does not harm them at all, which is demonstrably false.
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@s73v3r said:
You're gonna have to explain how Ellen Pao is any worse than any other VC person out there.
Why?
Cause you're the one stating that she's an "awful human being", and you're not backing that claim up.
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What I'm saying is that what a group of suicidal, depressed people do on an obscure private forum outside the view of anyone who does not directly search for them cannot harass someone outside of that location. Unless some moron goes looking for it, frames them, starts getting forums and social media to discuss castrating them, and eventually spawns GamerGate.
Harassment must be targeted. That's in it's definition! Being offensive is being offensive. Harassment is not the same thing.
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Then maybe no more McDonalds.
Or maybe, "no more McDonalds in large, expensive city centers like NYC or DC". Or anything in between.
If it happens because it's not a sustainable business practice, that's one thing. If it's the heavy hand of the government, it's a different thing.
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Being offensive is being offensive.
Say if someone created an "I hate oracle club" club?
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You were saying?
McDonald's is supposedy already testing automatic checkout kiosks in a couple of markets in the US, and in more in Europe.
Perhaps the SJWs will respond by trying to get the government to ban automation; at that point, all those burger flippers[1] and cashiers will discover the real minimum wage, which @boomzilla mentioned above.
[1] I'm not disparaging burger flippers, btw. I think almost any legit work is honorable even if it's low-paid. I've held more than one "just above minimum wage" job when I was younger.
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You're gonna have to explain how Ellen Pao is any worse than any other VC person out there. I see this "She's a terrible person!" meme thrown out there all the time, but nothing that explains why, other than she does the same shit that other VCs do. Oh, and she's a woman.
I sure don't have to. Her ex-company's lawyers do, to a jury. Oh, wait, they did.
Maybe they were wrong. OTOH, the kind of person who says "Give me $2.7M and I won't appeal" is not the kind of person who I would instinctively root for.
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Harassment must be targeted. That's in it's definition! Being offensive is being offensive. Harassment is not the same thing.
So to be clear, just in case you guys are talking past each other, the subreddit isn't harassment, unless other people go there and get hassled.
OTOH, if they leave their den, they could be harassing others. But those are two separate cases.
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if they leave their den, they could be harassing others.
But only those who are doing the harassing, and not the community as a whole.
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McDonald's is supposedy already testing automatic checkout kiosks in a couple of markets in the US, and in more in Europe.
It was only a matter of time. The workers are pricing themselves out of the market or above the point where automation makes more sense.
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I don't agree with that statement at all. You're saying that unless gossip is told to someone's face, it does not harm them at all, which is demonstrably false.
First, he did not say it does not harm them, he said it is not harassment. Harassment specifically refers to "behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive." If you are not disturbing someone (and if you are off in your own little corner and don't interact with the target of your ridicule, you are not disturbing or upsetting them), then you are not harassing them.
Whether it harms them will depend on how you define harm. They may hear from third parties that it is going on, and that may hurt their feelings, but I don't think anyone has the right to not have their feelings hurt. Or better put, I believe the right of people to express unpopular opinions trumps the "right" to not be offended.
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I'm sorry, but no. I disagree. It does not have to be directed to the person's face to be harmful.
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@s73v3r said:
which is demonstrably false.
Please demonstrate.
Gossip has been shown to be harmful to a person, even if it never is done to their face. Same thing with cyberbullying.
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@s73v3r said:
You're gonna have to explain how Ellen Pao is any worse than any other VC person out there. I see this "She's a terrible person!" meme thrown out there all the time, but nothing that explains why, other than she does the same shit that other VCs do. Oh, and she's a woman.
I sure don't have to. Her ex-company's lawyers do, to a jury. Oh, wait, they did.
Maybe they were wrong. OTOH, the kind of person who says "Give me $2.7M and I won't appeal" is not the kind of person who I would instinctively root for.
But they didn't. The burden of proof was not on them.
And like I said, I haven't seen anything showing how she's any worse than any other VCs. Yet, I don't see a bunch of people calling them "whores" or telling them that they're not welcome.
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But only those who are doing the harassing, and not the community as a whole.
Yeah, that seems fair to say.
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The workers are pricing themselves out of the market or above the point where automation makes more sense.
From what I've read, it's actually not, mostly, the workers themselves--it seems to be union and other outside agitators driving this.
I read something about one of the places that's recently voted to phase in a $15 minimum wage: the unions were all in on pushing for that, but now the law's going into effect, they want exemptions for themselves. Lovely.
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I read something about one of the places that's recently voted to phase in a $15 minimum wage: the unions were all in on pushing for that, but now the law's going into effect, they want exemptions for themselves.
Ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite?
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