Don't drink and vote, you might spill your drink on the public hospital's lawn
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What kind of tyranny do you live under, where a man can't piss on his own lawn?
I saw a news story recently--not sure what country--where someone was trying to track down who was shitting in her lawn (and others in the neighborhood) on a semi-regular basis.
Damn, get a video camera like hunters use.
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Public monopolies are a lot scarier because there's no way to get rid of them.
Well, there is... but...
Now if we could move that way a little bit.
I'd prefer the other way if it's all the same to you
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@boomzilla said:
Do you honestly know of "small government" advocates who think that private property rights shouldn't be enforced by the government?
Yes.
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I'd prefer the other way if it's all the same to you
It is not at all the same to me.
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Noted. Agree to disagree then, and allow our wonderful democratic system to figure out the details?
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Build a fence?
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As long as it's not trans[parent|lucent]
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That seems like a bad idea …
You don't drink at all, you are not allowed to weigh in.
In all seriousness though, as shitty and corrupt as the political process has become, you almost have to be drunk to vote.
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It's not the guys we need micromanaging motherfucking rasins.
And I just saw that... uh, WTF? Why?
:facedesk:
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you almost have to be drunk to vote.
It helps more if you're dead.
Your vote gets counted in more places that way.
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My campaign logo is in.
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Hopefully it'll stop him trying to sell off the NHS bit-by-bit to companies only in it for profit.
Hopefully the fact it doesn't work might do that.
The only NHS hospital run by a private company has asked for a £10m taxpayer-funded bailout.
Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, is due to be handed back into NHS hands in March after the company outsourced to manage it, Circle, said it could no longer cope with rising demand and funding cuts.
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See, that's why you east ponders like single payer, you can't manage to run anything private.
We west ponders have charity hospitals even.
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And I just saw that... uh, WTF? Why?
They were just trying to help the raisin farmers in 1949, you heartless raisin farmer hater! Why...without the Feds creating the Reserve, we could run out of raisins!
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You don't drink at all, you are not allowed to weigh in.
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They were just trying to help the raisin farmers in 1949, you heartless raisin farmer hater! Why...without the Feds creating the Reserve, we could run out of raisins!
Ah... right. I guess the better question is WHY THE BELGIUM DOES IT STILL EXIST...
So I suppose I need to amend my argument, and I've found I'm not as far from @boomzilla as I previously thought.
My biggest issue with small-government types is when they fail to allow the government to expand to do the stuff like roads and crap that it should do.
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TIL Europeans all have public healthcare, because you fail at making private hospitals.
America has charity hospitals.
Which is like a private hospital, that does it for free....
mind. blown.
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My biggest issue with small-government types is when they fail to allow the government to expand to do the stuff like roads and crap that it should do.
I suspect they're just over reacting to all the crazy that's out there. Or they're dumb. I couldn't really say.
I will say that I vote against every bond measure that comes up in local elections on principle. Doesn't matter if I think it's a reasonable thing to do or not. It also doesn't matter that I vote against them. I can't recall a single one not passing.
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TIL Europeans all have public healthcare, because you fail at making private hospitals.
The TIL thread is
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TIL Europeans all have public healthcare, because you fail at making private hospitals.
Yes, from RTFA, it looks like they failed from the get go (not that they were really trying to do that). It was merely run by a private organization. Still funded by the government.
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My campaign logo is in.
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I'll bite...
... what's it all mean?
Filed under: in the everyday, ordinary sense of "meaning" - no Sartre, please
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I will say that I vote against every bond measure that comes up in local elections on principle. Doesn't matter if I think it's a reasonable thing to do or not. It also doesn't matter that I vote against them. I can't recall a single one not passing.
Heh, I'm in the exact opposite situation. I vote for every single one and can't remember the last time one passed. Of course, the fact that the local school district is so starved for money that they've canceled the busing for anyone <2 miles from school and for all high school students and have resorted to cancelling like 90% of the extracurriculars and elective classes plays a big role in that...
In other news, Ohio's school funding is definitely TRWTF
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TIL Europeans all have public healthcare, because you fail at making private hospitals
Tell me, how do you like getting a bill every time you see your doctor?
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I fucking love it.
After experiencing European healthcare, I'll pay with glee.
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Tell me, how do you like getting a bill every time you see your doctor?
Actually, fine. My mechanic charges me too.
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aaand inb4
you get billed too, you just don't see it
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Which is like a private hospital, that does it for free....
So funded from public money, and not charging the people who go for healthcare?
Yeah - we have nothing like that.
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Yeah - we have nothing like that.
Not from people that volunteer their money.
Unless you think taxes is something you give out of the goodness of your heart.
At which point I challenge you to tell your IRS that you would prefer to not pay next year.
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Of course, the fact that the local school district is so starved for money that they've canceled the busing for anyone <2 miles from school and for all high school students and have resorted to cancelling like 90% of the extracurriculars and elective classes plays a big role in that...
I'm pissed at my school district. They have a lot of nerve. The total budget is over $2B. The board voted for a boondoggle playing around with school start times that's stupid to begin with, but will cost an extra $5M in bus costs. The county was able to give them all but $14M of what they asked for.
The district starting putting out sob stories about $100M shortfalls. As far as I can tell, that's some sort of WAG at future budget stuff. And they bitch that they can't give big enough teacher raises. They lose all credibility when they choose to waste money on stupid shit and then can't fund stuff they should be funding.
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I fucking love it.
What about when you need to go to A&E, and they save your life, then issue you with a bill for $50,000?Good thing about social healthcare: it's already paid for!
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Public monopolies are a lot scarier because there's no way to get rid of them.
Software has separation of concerns - and so, too, should government.
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I seriously doubt we've determined the best governmental system yet
I've always wondered if a government that allowed everybody to vote constantly would solve most of the problems. Issue everone with an RSA-Key like device and allow votes over the web on every single policy. If there isn't sufficient voters then the party decides as normal.
Its stolen shamelessly from Ian M Banks, but it seems like it would be great. I frequently want to have input to various bills and writing a letter to my MP doesn't do it for me.
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What about when you need to go to A&E, and they save your life, then issue you with a bill for $50,000?
What about when your car totals, and it's your only transportation from the countryside into town. And then you have to buy another car?
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Not from people that volunteer their money.
We have charity funded hospitals - they're just not entirely charity funded.
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What about when your car totals, and it's your only transportation from the countryside into town. And then you have to buy another car?
1 - it's insured
2 - that's not the same.Fuck it - arguing with @xaade?! I'm out.
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Europeans all have public healthcare, because you fail at making private hospitals.
Should also point out that Europe has private hospitals as well as state-funded ones
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What about when you need to go to A&E, and they save your life, then issue you with a bill for $50,000?
I've never had that. Gawd, let's not get into having to explain why your health care system sucks and why ours is expensive again.
I'm amazed at how people complain about the government and then turn around and are astounded that anyone wouldn't want it to take over more stuff. Jeez.
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I've always wondered if a government that allowed everybody to vote constantly would solve most of the problems.
No.
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1 - it's insured
I have health insurance.
@loopback0 said:2 - that's not the same.
I forgot, can't work, everything's paid for.
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Yeah, the issue with ours is that they got state funding to revamp the schools because they were built in like the 50s or something. Of course, since they're revamping the schools, people think "why on earth would they need any extra money, they've got plenty if they're rebuilding all the schools". They apparently don't get the whole "grant" thing...
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No.
It would at least engage people. Lots of people claim they don't vote as they feel it doesn't count towards what the party actually does. This would ensure it did, constantly.
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I've never had that
OK, the bill goes to your medical insurance provider. But you still have to actually have one. Over here, private insurance is optional; the state-funded NHS covers most things already.INB4 'The NHS sucks'; yes, I know. Still prefer that to the US system any day.
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Ah... right. I guess the better question is WHY THE ■■■■■■■ DOES IT STILL EXIST...
Once the government starts doing something, it never stops doing that thing. Ever.
Which is why you need to be very very very careful when you tell the government to start doing a new thing. Now that we have the TSA, the TSA is here forever. No matter how bloated, unfriendly, and ineffectual they are.
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your health care system sucks
It only sucks when it's actually needed.
90% of the time no one needs a heart surgery and has to wait for months on end.
The rest of the time, they don't bother going in if they have an infection because the wait would be too long.Then they have to go in for something minor, and they don't have to pay.
And suddenly its the best thing since sliced cheese.
Wife waited half a day at norwegian doctor for a sinus infection our daughter had.
Left halfway through, went to a private doctor, paid $200, and then finished the workday.
Cost of taking the day off due to doctor wait would have been more than the cost of just paying the private doctor.
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It would at least engage people.
Most people are idiots and wouldn't bother learning more about stuff than they currently know. Direct democracy is a disaster.
Lots of people claim they don't vote as they feel it doesn't count towards what the party actually does. This would ensure it did, constantly.
They would have the same feeling. Look at the typical screed about how democracy has failed. That usually mean that people voted differently than the screecher thought they should.
Still prefer that to the US system any day.
It's your right as a Scottswoman to be wrong.
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Houston beltway 8 toll is prime example.
It was supposed to be in until the road was paid for.
Then it was supposed to stay so news roads could be paid by the bw8-tollway.
Now every new road is going to be a tollway.
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There's nothing stopping, for example, a US Congressman to set up that system for his own constituents. The votes wouldn't have a direct effect, of course, the Congressman would still serve as the proxy. But he might be a much better proxy.
In any case, it'd be interesting to try if someone were willing.
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It's your right as a Scottswoman to be wrong.
Let them prefer their shit.
Just stop sending the shit our way.
I prefer my shit more. Can't I just keep my shit?
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Go ahead and keep your shit, just whatever you do, don't mail it to me
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