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  • @Weng said:

    Which is way cooler than the adorable little airbus.

    Dream Lifter?

    Is this how they're going to get the illegal immigrants into America now?



  • Hey, Mommy! Can we take one home? Please?!

    Otay...html.



  • Discoursistency.

    If all else fails, try HTML...

    <img src=http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/18839/9a1965effcdfc4e9.jpg width=150 height=100>



  • Round like a Discourse avatar.


  • Garbage Person

    And this is exactly why the marketing wanks who decided the 787 would be referred to as "Dreamliner" need to be executed. Publicly.



  • @ijij said:

    Hadn't seen it before.

    I see it IRL occasionally,

    @Weng said:

    'Twas the fugliest plane (or, rather, planes, there are a couple of them) ever built until they painted it:
    but I hadn't seen it unpainted before.




  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Eldelshell said:

    The 747 is the best airplane ever built.

    I disagree. Some military planes are far more awesome.


  • FoxDev

    @dkf said:

    I disagree. Some military planes are far more awesome.

    You're forgetting these:
    Lockheed U-2
    McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle
    Eurofighter Typhoon


  • BINNED

    How about a 747 with VTOL used for military purposes?

    What do you mean it's not real?



  • ?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Was just about to post the Typhoon.
    :hanzo:


  • FoxDev


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @RaceProUK said:

    You're forgetting these:

    No. I had something else to do as well, so I made an incomplete list. ;)



  • The best plane ever built is the DC-3:

    I don't think there's any dispute about this.


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    @dkf said:

    Some military planes are far more awesome.

    These planes will probably outlive us all.


  • BINNED

    Why not some Fokker?

    If any thing else then at least the name alone sounds like 'fun'.



  • How about a modern Fokker instead?


  • Java Dev

    KLM announced they're retiring their last fokker 70s... end of an era.



  • @xaade said:

    Dream Lifter?

    Is this how they're going to get the illegal immigrants into America now?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/05/govt-program-would-fly-in-central-american-children-to-join-parents-in-us/?intcmp=latestnews

    gasp

    I was right!



  • If it's the government doing it, doesn't that make it a de facto legal act?



  • Funny how people didn't like that argument when it was the Patriot act.

    But a more humorous comparison.

    Criminal-immigrant sends child on independent trek through drug-crime-infested territory to rejoin them an eighth of the world away, no one bats an eye.

    I let my daughter play outside by herself in our front yard while waiting for the school bus and everyone goes insane.



  • How unpatriotic!



  • @tar said:

    doesn't that make it a de facto legal act?

    Took me a while. This certainly isn't the focus of my day here.

    The answer to that question is NO.

    We are a Republic, with Democracy and representation running the creation of new laws, while also allowing modification of older laws at a much higher cost.

    Therefore, what makes it a legal act, is the LAW and it's interpretation

    So, whereas the President can make some kind of executive order, the legal basis for that is vague, and the extent of its use is supposed to be extremely limited. But the vagueness of that enumerated power lets people punch holes in it, and we need to make it a priority to contain that power.

    For example, we now have a significant portion of the population and Congress mistakenly believing that the President has unilateral foreign policy power. Of course, those same people will squeal like baby pigs once the opposite party has power. Our government's website itself details the fine balance between Congress and the President on foreign policy, and no where in that description is the idea of an executive order. So in essence, it's the President that is circumventing law here.

    Which was my point from earlier. People like it when the President circumvents the law in their favor, and whine when he does it outside their favor, but they never contend that he doesn't have that power in the first place. That argument is always burned with fire, even though it is the correct one.

    It's the balance and sharing of power between the branches that is supposed to guarantee the best outcome. In fact, it should be that a different party controls different branches of government.

    The type of government you are thinking of is Dictatorship/Oligarchy


  • :belt_onion:

    For shame, not only regurgitating FOX News FUD, but then stealing jokes from the comments section without attribution... or is that actually you that posted on there as well?

    Criminal-immigrant sends child on independent trek through drug-crime-infested territory to rejoin them an eighth of the world away, no one bats an eye.

    I let my daughter play outside by herself in our front yard while waiting for the school bus and everyone goes insane.


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    @darkmatter said:

    FOX News FUD

    Isn't that redundant to you people?


  • :belt_onion:

    Not everything can be FUD... I think sometimes they report sports scores.


  • :belt_onion:

    I'm less intrigued by the bias of the source and more so about the lazy plagiarism of a front-page comment under the assumption that no one will RTFA and comments.

    Unless of course that was him that posted there too, then I retract my statements.




  • ♿ (Parody)

    @darkmatter said:

    lazy plagiarism

    Oh, I didn't notice that since it was in a different comment of his than his link to Fox News.



  • @darkmatter said:

    FUD

    If they were to have ways to track their income, actually taxed at full value, their employers were forced to report and pay them the minimum wage, etc, then there would be no problem.

    But then again, they'd also then be legal immigrants.

    Of course, there are the illustrious pardons from the president. (I don't understand how he can pardon so many at once, but ok).

    Then the cycle starts over, because the businesses aren't willing to pay them minimum wage.

    So, more come in to fill that gap.

    Now not only are the pre-existing now pardoned ex-criminals no longer employed and now having to live off of welfare, the new immigrants flooding in have broken the system again.

    It's not FUD, it's simple math.

    Either the jobs no American is willing to work at sub-minimum wage level goes to criminals who are working off the books, or the jobs don't get filled. Unless the government is willing to remove the concept of minimum wage?

    I find it funny that raising minimum wage is an all too urgent demand on our government because minimum wage can't feed a family. Yet it is ok to let these people enter the country illegally and take jobs that can't feed a family.

    This is not sustainable.

    The legal system of immigration is there to ensure we only allow in sustainable self-sufficient immigrants.

    But since the current policy has said that civilians have a right to sit on their ass all day, some bleeding hearts have decided that it's only fair to lower the standards for admittance into this country.

    Yet, all one has to do is handwave and say that there is no real danger, without producing economic models that prove the current ones wrong, and you're spreading FUD unless you agree with these handwavers.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @darkmatter said:
    FOX News FUD

    Isn't that redundant to you people?

    FOX News.

    Fair, Unbiased Discussion.



  • The media benefits from showing only extreme viewpoints on either side.

    That's why there's no discernible difference between FOX and MSNBC / CNN / other counterparts.

    Anyone that starts to move toward the middle is either kicked-off or leaves voluntarily.

    The rest slowly move to the left under the guise of being right leaning moderate, or become the source of comedy as they are drastically different from the remaining cast.

    blink

    OMG .... they're all just like sitcoms.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @xaade said:

    Anyone that starts to move toward the middle is either kicked-off or leaves voluntarily.

    Those guys in the middle want to look principled or something, but they just aren't smart enough or something to make up their minds.



  • Maybe I should have said....

    Says something different than the candid speech of the ultra-stereotyped actor of the prevailing side on the show.

    There's only room enough for one token naysayer, and he's usually so extreme to the other side as to be a complete comedian in any environment.

    The moderates, end up having to leave to be taken seriously.


    I've about given up.

    It's become of game of each side swaps every 8 years. That new group spends a magnitude more than the last group (and at least a multiple more than the last spending * inflation).

    Each one breaks the law in ludicrous ways that the opposing side points out while the favorable side maintains the opposing side is nuts or treasonous.

    Each generation gives the President more unilateral powers, until his comic disregard for the limitations of his office and enumerated powers turns him vs. the congress into an absolute joke in the eyes of our enemies and allies.

    And everyone is stuck in this bi-polar insanity.

    While the extremists on both sides get to run crazy. Doing things like sending kids home for wearing the national flag on their shirt on a holiday that is celebrated from a non national culture + the non-national culture gets to tell everyone that they can't celebrate their holiday because that's racist :wtf:.

    Don't wear our traditional outfits on halloween!
    Don't sell our traditional food on our traditional holiday!
    Don't celebrate our festivities because America means polarized exclusion now (melting pot..... lolololololol)

    And then it all flips sides and we start over, for another 8 years of the lesser evil.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @xaade said:

    The moderatesuseful idiots, end up having to leave to be taken seriously.

    FTFY



  • @boomzilla said:

    useful idiots

    are all we can hope to manage to be.

    Someone will see us as an idiot.
    And somehow everyone is useful, if not to highlight how not to have stupid ideas.


  • :belt_onion:

    @xaade said:

    things

    I find it amusing that despite all the cries of doom and gloom and obama ruination of the country, none of the supposed doom is actually happening.

    @xaade said:

    OMG .... they're all just like sitcoms.

    +寣

    @xaade said:

    Don't wear our traditional outfits on halloween!

    Must be meant to be an ironic example? The farthest of the right-crazy-religious side would rather abolish halloween altogether as pagan, an equally baffling stance to the left-wing-nuts that think certain costumes are offensive.

    I suppose since they both agree on it, maybe halloween really should be abolished?

    @xaade said:

    And then it all flips sides and we start over, for another 8 years of the lesser evil.
    pretty much

    wait, you're starting to sound like me. are you sure you're ok? Did someone break you?



  • @darkmatter said:

    doom and gloom

    Well, I never suspected doom and gloom, because we have a balance built in. I've actually enjoyed watching the President realize he can't do everything he wants, and baffled at extremists say "I'm sad he doesn't have more power." When they'd be ripping out their eyeballs if a conservative President had the power they want to give Obama.

    @darkmatter said:

    Must be meant to be an ironic example? The farthest of the right-crazy-religious side would rather abolish halloween altogether as pagan

    Yeah... maybe I should bold the word extremist. This is just my point. There are crazy extremes on both sides. And they seem to always get the highlight. Whereas the moderates are painted as anarchists.

    @darkmatter said:

    I suppose since they both agree on it

    Well, one side says it's evil. The other side says they don't like their culture being stereotyped.

    But since Halloween is by definition stereotyping cultures in order to comically present them for fun, and that it's supposed to be a day of everyone's fair game, and one particular culture is somehow butthurt about it... maybe this is why we can't have fun things.

    @darkmatter said:

    wait, you're starting to sound like me

    It's because I'm not stupidly attached to a "side". I just want us to all get along, and somehow keep the middle class intact in the process.

    I mean, everyone points to unemployment (yay it's low) but forget that underemployment and people dropping out of the employment system altogether remain to be a problem.

    Stock market doing good.... great.... because the whole point of bailing out the banks was to keep the rich people rich.

    Good job lying about who you really want to protect...

    Obamacare.... it's great for the insurance companies. Doctors on large saying, "This sucks for us." Dropping out of the industry. Obama found his little squad of astro-white-coats and put them in front the camera, but mysteriously insurance companies were all like, "Oh yeah!" Why? Because it gave them a % more clientele.

    The reality is both sides are the same with the following differences.

    1. They are invested in the stock market in different things.
    2. They get campaign money from different people.

    The only real difference with Obama is that he starts wars without Congress' approval first.



  • @darkmatter said:

    I suppose since they both agree on it, maybe halloween really should be abolished?

    Is Hallowe'en racist now?! :wtf:



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  • :belt_onion:

    @xaade said:

    The only real difference with Obama is that he starts wars without Congress' approval first.

    Obama's "war on ISIS" is any different than the "War on terror"?

    Presidents unilaterally declare war all the time and then wait for congress to give in and vote for it to actually be real.

    Hell, the people that originally declared that we needed to go fight ISIS were FOX News... that is, up until obama said we would, and now it's somehow the worst idea ever.



  • I forget whether it was syria or libya. But he started bombing one of them without any notice or approval.

    Just all the sudden on the news.
    "Breaking news, we're bombing Africa for some reason. Details incoming".

    There was a big fuss about drone bombing and such.

    Then they started reporting about the whole using drones on citizens. I don't know what extent that would mean, but someone said that targeting and killing a citizen with a drone was on the table.

    Explosion, from both sides of the aisle. It was pretty amazing how we weren't bipolar for a little bit.

    It's all a little fuzzy, and there's too much to go searching for it all.

    @darkmatter said:

    Obama's "war on ISIS" is any different than the "War on terror"?

    It's not, really. Although Obama likes to play softball with words, and he likes to throw our allies under the bus on stage. He's still acting exactly the same when it comes to war.


  • :belt_onion:

    @xaade said:

    But he started bombing

    That requires a few more people to be involved than just obama's voice. I'm also pretty sure that at least half of those people hate obama so much that there's no chance in hell they'd perform the actions if they weren't actually correctly supposed to do such. Which is why 99% of the media reports on it that proclaim that obama has somehow unilaterally "started war" are just stupid. If he did, then so did a whole lot of people on their own side that they should also be calling out on it.



  • @darkmatter said:

    unilaterally "started war"

    Not saying unilaterally.

    Saying he skipped the Congressional vote on it.

    Like you said, that matters little.

    But I think it's mostly that Obama has a certain worldview that's different from a lot of people. Got in power and started acting on it. Then realized the machine was too big. Then he slowly starts acting like every other President, while on the surface pretends he's not.

    For example, before his re-election, his mic is on and he tells Russia he can work with them more if he is elected.

    Yet, right now we have a line of bases, troops, etc in East Europe saying otherwise.


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    @darkmatter said:

    I find it amusing that despite all the cries of doom and gloom and obama ruination of the country, none of the supposed doom is actually happening.

    There's a lot of ruin in a nation. Still, not becoming North Korea is a pretty low bar.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @darkmatter said:

    Obama's "war on ISIS" is any different than the "War on terror"?

    Yes, in exactly the way he mentioned: Congressional approval.

    @darkmatter said:

    Hell, the people that originally declared that we needed to go fight ISIS were FOX News... that is, up until obama said we would, and now it's somehow the worst idea ever.

    I want to counter troll you, but this is just too obvious and lazy to pretend to take seriously.



  • We have a way of taking European ideas, keeping a little bit of good, but mostly throwing out all the good and taking all the bad, and then saying "It works in Europe, stop complaining."

    @boomzilla said:

    Still, not becoming North Korea is a pretty low bar.

    By the time you become North Korea, you will be unable to recognize that it is happening.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Yes, in exactly the way he mentioned: Congressional approval.

    Oh, and before anyone says, "They were tricked to attack Iraq".

    Well maybe it's because they follow a policy of having to vote for things before they can read them.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @xaade said:

    Oh, and before anyone says, "They were tricked to attack Iraq".

    Well maybe it's because they follow a policy of having to vote for things before they can read them.

    No, that would just be an ignorant thing to say about that vote. I mean, not that they really understand what they vote for, but on something like "Let's invade Iraq," they knew. Not like it wasn't already long established official law / policy to effect regime change there to begin with.

    Not that a guy like @darkmatter cares about the truth. He's a truthy Jon Stewart like troller, except less funny and more smarter.


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