WTFs dating hunters in Nebraska (because nobody cares about the Nashville Predators)
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Also, now remove the word 'competition' from my previous sentence. Same response?
Of course not. Then it's not a sport it's just a hobby. Hooking a fish through it's mouth for pleasure is probably a cruel thing to do. I expect it hurts like hell.
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Then it's not a sport it's just a hobby. Hooking a fish through it's mouth for pleasure is probably a cruel thing to do. I expect it hurts like hell.
So it's ok to hold competitions to do this but it's not ok to do it on your own.
Ok then. Sure, we can go with that. That makes perfect sense.
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So it's ok to hold competitions to do this but it's not ok to do it on your own.
Where did you get that from?
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Should you have to use a spear at a fishing competition instead of a rod, bait, and lure? Obviously the spear is more
challengingI don't see you asking me about the cruelty of it there.
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The challenge is the competition with other people. That they all use the same equipment is what makes it a sport. What that equipment is, is up to them and no concern of mine.
Of course not. Then it's not a sport it's just a hobby.
Fuck you discourse this post wasn't empty. It had two quotes in it.
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If you want to ask me if I think something is cruel then ask that.
Don't ask whether I think it's more of a challenge.But, as for your analogy, you may want to ask any hobby or competition fisherman that says they do it for the "challenge" why they don't use a spear instead because it does indeed, as you rightly noticed, call bullshit on that excuse for why they do it.
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Then it's not a
sportgame it's just a hobby.You have a very restrictive definition of sport.
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You have a very restrictive definition of sport.
A sport without any competitive element (where rules are the same for all competitors)? Really?
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But, as for your analogy, you may want to ask any hobby or competition fisherman that says they do it for the "challenge" why they don't use a spear instead because it does indeed, as you rightly noticed, call bullshit on that excuse for why they do it.
How does it call bullshit? It's harder for me to write a good novel in Japanese than in English. If I say I'm writing a novel using English for the challenge of writing a good novel, would you call that bullshit, too?
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A sport without any competitive element (where rules are the same for all competitors)? Really?
Duh. Before they had balls and stuff, sporting goods stores had guns and stuff.
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If I say I'm writing a novel using English for the challenge of writing a good novel, would you call that bullshit, too?
Then yes I don't think that's the reason you're writing it. Challenge would be the wrong word. Maybe something similar but yes. I don't think anybody does something "for the challenge" and then makes it as easy for themselves as they can,
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Roget's defines the noun sport as an "activity engaged in for relaxation and amusement" with synonyms including diversion and recreation.
So watching TV is sport? Reading a book is sport? What a useless word it becomes considering it then means exactly the same as those synonyms.
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I don't think anybody does something "for the challenge" and then makes it as easy for themselves as they can,
At least we're developing a full picture of how you don't think things through. Does every challenge need to be a maximum challenge to be enjoyed?
So watching TV is sport? Reading a book is sport? What a useless word it becomes considering it then means exactly the same as those synonyms.
I think that's stretching things. Historical versions of leisure (i.e., 14th century) wouldn't have included watching TV, I think. But that's not really any more ridiculous than you putting your fingers in your ear and going, "Naaa naa naaa, I can't hear you!" and pretending that only games and competitions are considered sports, even if that's the most common usage today.
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I mean, surely it's not controversial (to native English speakers) to include hunting in sporting activities?
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I think it portrays it as something that it isn't really (i.e. hunter vs prey where it's life and death for the prey and not for the hunter). Hobby, leisure activity, craft even but not sport. Not really. It's sickening and insulting to our intelligence to think of it like what that implies (as a competition between hunter and hunted).
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Does every challenge need to be a maximum challenge to be enjoyed?
It's not being enjoyed "for the challenge" if it isn't. It's being enjoyed for some other reason.
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It's sickening and insulting to our intelligence to think of it like what that implies (as a competition between hunter and hunted).
Eh, whatever. I get that you want to change the meaning of the word, but it is what it is.
It's not being enjoyed "for the challenge" if it isn't.
That's bullshit. It's the difference between the challenge and your ability that matters. I enjoyed being able to hit a highschool varsity level curveball. That's not bullshit because it wasn't a MLB pitcher.
Maybe you have a warped sense of reality that demands perfection, but I sure as hell don't.
It's being enjoyed for some other reason.
If I enjoy something for A, does that mean I cannot possibly enjoy it for B? You sound like a very unhappy person.
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Hooking a fish through it's mouth for pleasure is probably a cruel thing to do. I expect it hurts like hell.
I've always heard fish have no nerve endings in their mouth. I'm not certain of the factuality of that but personally I've never seen a fish act as if it's in pain. (I'm not a fisherman, I've caught maybe two fish in my entire life.)
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I've always heard fish have no nerve endings in their mouth. I'm not certain of the factuality of that but personally I've never seen a fish act as if it's in pain.
I too have heard that. I think it's highly unlikely and I wouldn't know how a fish acts when it's in pain. It doesn't have vocal chords and facial muscles like we do to express it. They certainly thrash about. By the time they're out the water I think the feeling of suffocating is their primary concern though. There are gradations of sentience I think we can agree. An intelligent mammal is far more sentient than a stupid fish or a frog or a tick. What is cruel or not should take that into account. But the motives of the person are absolute. If a kid sets fire to ants AND enjoys it because they imagine the pain the ants are feeling and take pleasure from inflicting that then they the kid is sadistic. That the ants are low on the sentient scale is of no bearing. (Not that I am saying that fisherman or hunters are that but some might be. I do, as I have said, question their motives for doing this hobby rather than one that doesn't involve inflicting pain and death.)
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Then yes I don't think that's the reason you're writing it. Challenge would be the wrong word. Maybe something similar but yes. I don't think anybody does something "for the challenge" and then makes it as easy for themselves as they can,
You have a very limited definition of the word "challenge".
As I tried to explain before: different people find different things to be a challenge.
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They certainly thrash about. By the time they're out the water I think the feeling of suffocating is their primary concern though.
I was about to suggest scooping a fish out of a fishtank with your bare hands...said fish'll thrash about all the same.
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That's bullshit.
Yeah it is in the sense that it is a gradation and not black and white like I suggest.
If I enjoy something for A, does that mean I cannot possibly enjoy it for B?
And true and good point.
However, I still doubt the "challenge" motive of hunting for many hobby hunters but with less reason. The challenge of it still 99% not the gun. And firing a gun is not difficult at all. Hitting the target can be but the target doesn't need to be animal for that to be a challenge. Shooting and archery are often done without animals as targets. So, I think, that reason alone is not good enough. However, it is more fun than driving to the supermarket so, in that case (and only under those circumstances, where those reasons are the real reasons) then I take it back: such hobby hunting as that is fine by me.
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I was about to suggest scooping a fish out of a fishtank with your bare hands...said fish'll thrash about all the same.
When I was a kid (7 years old?), I went to some sort of frontier / mountain man themed fair somewhere in Idaho. They laid out some telephone poles, put in a plastic liner and filled it with water and cutthroat trout. For a dollar, kids could get in and catch a fish with their bare hands.
That was the first trout I ever caught. I had to throw it back, since we were staying in a hotel, but it was pretty awesome. My little brother, who was 4 at the time chickened out.
EDIT: s/litter/little/ (h/t @LurkerAbove)
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My litter brother
Sorry can't resist. That paints you in a whole new light boomzilla :)
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However, I still doubt the "challenge" motive of hunting for many hobby hunters but with less reason. The challenge of it still 99% not the gun. And firing a gun is not difficult at all. Hitting the target can be but the target doesn't need to be animal for that to be a challenge.
But put it all together and it adds to the challenge. Christ, man, you can't stop projecting, can you?
such hobby hunting as that is fine by me.
Hunters everywhere will be overjoyed. I don't really care if you approve or disapprove of hunting, but you're projecting and judging others based on bullshit, which does annoy me.
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@Zoidberg, please fix this thread
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Friends! Help! A @XanderTheGamer tricked me!
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MWAH HA HA! Zoidberg, now you are stuck in this thread FOREVER!
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Christ, man, you can't stop projecting, can you?
Projecting what? Doubting other people's motives is not projecting and when their actions involve killing then there is a good cause for questioning. And still I do: many of them.
but you're projecting and judging others based on bullshit, which does annoy me.
As lies and bullshit excuses for cruelty annoy me. I may, because of the points you have said, be wrong in some cases but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop questioning why people do things and doesn't mean I'm at all convinced even the majority do this for "the challenge". But challenge + food + possibly helping conservation = fair enough for those where that really is the motive.
If one hunter takes up photography instead at the cost of annoying you then it's worth it. I make no apologies for that.
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Projecting what? Doubting other people's motives is not projecting and when their actions involve killing then there is a good cause for questioning.
You're projecting your own thoughts onto other people.
I may, because of the points you have said, be wrong in some cases but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop questioning why people do things and doesn't mean I'm at all convinced even the majority do this for "the challenge". But challenge + food + possibly helping conservation = fair enough for those where that really is the motive.
But this challenge thing has been blown way out of proportion by you as I see it. You keep talking about it like that's the only reason anyone does it. Or you've dismissed all their other reasons as unpossible.
If one hunter takes up photography instead at the cost of annoying you then it's worth it.
I won't care either way. But slandering people I know and respect is something I'm going to call you out on.
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Never got round mentioning that the title of this thread (before it was changed) made me think of this:
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Then use a fucking camera!
Reviving this topic is almost certainly a Very Bad Idea, but I was GISing for something else and came across this very apropos picture:
Sport - Wikipedia
