Looks like someone's been messing around behind the scenes.
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Continuing the discussion from [Docker] Upgrades:
Looks like someone's been messing around behind the scenes.
discourse (4eb1288)
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discourse is at the newest version (832655d).oh come on! you can't leave a comment like that here without us asking:
Who?
Why?
What did they touch?
:-D
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Who?
According to http://what.thedailywtf.com/about, it could have been Remy, eviltrout, mark_bowytz, galgorah, zogstrip, awinter, neil, dhromed, AnonymousTDWTFer, codinghorror, InedoJohn, apapadimoulis, sam, or PaulaBean (maybe not...)(Too bad Discourse doesn’t allow more than 10 mentions...)
Why?
Why not?What did they touch?
This (which may provide some clues about who did the upgrade...)
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Updated the system without leaving a record in that thread. Probably Jeff when he was upping the rate limiting; Wouldn't have been Sam because he's still on his self-imposed suspension and he's generally good about posting there anyway, and none of the other admins bother/know how to update. (Well riking did once, but again, he posted.)
Teltale sign was the difference in hashes between my updates yesterday and this morning.
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This (which may provide some clues about who did the upgrade...)
Won't have been Sam, for the reasons previously given.
Edit: Besides - we don't have that commit yet.
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Jeff has been posting in my "Tab where" thread, so he is around...
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Indeed, and things like documenting updates would clearly be Doing It Wrong™.
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Jeff has been posting in my "Tab where" thread, so he is around...
When he first started posting, I honestly mistook him for @Intercourse, whose avatar has numbed me.
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Changing the nginx per-IP per-minute rate limits required a rebuild of the Docker container, which always gets the latest version by definition. Sam did it at your request, since you were asking for the rate limits to be increased (see the 503 topic, though I can't predict if it is still talking about anything remotely related to what the topic title says)
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, though I can't predict if it is still talking about anything remotely related to what the topic title says
around here that's more or less expected.
Changing the nginx per-IP per-minute rate limits required a rebuild of the Docker container, which always gets the latest version by definition. Sam did it at your request, since you were asking for the rate limits to be increased
Huzzah!
Out of curiosity, is the useragent considered at all for the rate limiting. I'm trying to be super good about keeping sockbot down to a manageble level (now that i know there was a problem) but i'm seeing an odd failure mode: occasionally one of the bots will hit the rate limit and start receiving 429 errors, and immediately sleep for a minute*#429s received. but the strange thing is this:
- Only one of the bots will get 429s, and all of them have useragents that embed their username so not all the same
- The bot that gets rate limited will invariably continue to get 429s pretty much constantly for an indeterminate length of time. sometimes they recover sometimes they don't.
maybe this will be alleviated by the higher per minute rate limit, maybe not. still really puzzling why only one bot would get hit like that...
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Yup, that happens for me, too.
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Most forums manage to go off topic a lot of the time because that is the simple nature of communication. Attempting to change this in general is a bad idea.
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Most forums manage to go off topic a lot of the time because that is the simple nature of communication.
Face-to-face conversations do this, too. Even when there is a well-defined topic and agenda, somebody has to say, "Back to the topic at hand," every once in a while.
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Face-to-face conversations do this, too. Even when there is a well-defined topic and agenda, somebody has to say, "Back to the topic at hand," every once in a while.
There's a difference between re-railing a discussion and trying to coerce everything to be 'on topic' all the time and getting flippant or even pissy with people when they don't conform to that ideal.
For some venues - StackOverflow for example (nothwithstanding that SO is not actually a forum) - sure, there are distinct and direct benefits to encouraging staying on topic. But everywhere, like 80% or more of forums... no.
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I phrased that badly. I did not mean to imply that I think it is necessary to stay on topic in a forum like this; rather, that even when everyone involved knows it is necessary to stay on topic, it requires maintenance to keep the conversation focused, because it is the nature of people to follow a small change in the direction of a conversation until the cumulative small changes add up to a direction that is completely different from the starting direction.
That's what we do here; we just do it quicker. In the span of just over a dozen posts, we have gone from someone making changes without logging them, to rate limiting,
to quote mangling,to topic drift.Edit: Oops, that was a different topic.
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Yup, that's normal, and occasionally getting back on track is allowed. Some venues it is expected.
This part of the conversation was because Jeff complains that we go off topic and I am asserting that 'going off topic' is SOP for normal people in normal conversations, i.e. at least 80% of all forum content out there from what I've seen.
This mentality of 'always on topic' only works in specific environments. Like SO. But SO is not a forum.
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Yes. We are in violent agreement here.
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Threads here are very unusual if they stay on topic.
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Threads here are very unusual if they stay on topic.
The phrase 'creative anarchist' has been used in reference to us. And it is quite apt.
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The threads that can stay on-topic can be determined by which ones @PJH excludes for certain badges.
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The threads that can stay on-topic can be determined by which ones @PJH excludes for certain badges.
Yes, those ones always stay on topic for some reason and such bullshit is not to be tolerated around here.
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If we stay on topic to Do It Right™, we're Doing It Wrong™.
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those ones always stay on topic for some reason
Well, when the topics are as broad as "anything, as long as you like every post" or "anything, as long as you phrase it as a question," it's not too difficult to stay within the bounds of the topic.
Filed under: I mistype "within" so often that Chrome seems to have started accepting the misspelling as valid.
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I almost forgot about the questions thread.
I have pretty much all of those threads except the Status one muted.
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is the useragent considered at all for the rate limiting
AFAIK it is IP address only, requests per IP (for dynamic assets) per time interval, enforced via nginx.
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Hmm... that's odd then.
maybe there's a different cause for that then?
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Even when there is a well-defined topic and agenda,
That is the hole point of creating a explicit meeting agenda: an attempt at keeping the meeting on topic for those points.
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On the topic of messing around, who put that spider in my Discourse corner?
Creative XSS or a new feature?
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That was @PJH with creative CSS. Halloween soon.
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That was @PJH with creative CSS. Halloween soon.
i wonder what monstrosity of a CSS will await me on all hallows eve.
will we got orange and black for the day?
-shudder-
please no.
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i wonder what monstrosity of a CSS will await me on all hallows eve.
will we got orange and black for the day?
-shudder-
please no.
You weren't supposed to give him ideas.
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sorry?
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That reminds me ...
There was a dark/scary CSS theme buried deep in /t/1000/ ...
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Bloody Mary?
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Beetlejuice?
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
:-D
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We need a Beetlebot.
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register it, then clone sockbot and set him up to run him.
:-D
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Yup, somewhere around here:
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/the-official-likes-thread-no-time-for-love-so-just-a-quickie-doctor-jones/1000/8042?u=aliceif
Maybe @PJH can tell us more.
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You weren't supposed to give him ideas.
I had that idea ages ago...
Yup, somewhere around here:
Back then. It was Halloween that I had in mind initially, hence the intiial color scheme.
Maybe @PJH can tell us more.
I gave up.
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It turned into a dark theme and wasn't able to satisfy either myself or others.
I may try again tonight.
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Then we weren't supposed to remind you of that idea
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-shudder-
please no.
I would give you a hug but apparently my hugs are not appreciated
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Yes. We are in violent agreement here.
Damnit, I thought violence was the sort of shit we were told to change. For Progress!