Discourse DMZ
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Oh, has anyone seen the one about the likes thread heatmap saying it's ice cold even when the last post was
that's intentional. working as designed.
it's ice cold because the thread is old. they don't give a shit about # of posts in one of the random heatmaps, just age.
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And along those lines, the entire "quotes strip out formatting" decision, while working as intended, bugs the fuck out of us. We like to quote.
I want this report to look the same as the others.
Fuck. So, long before Jeff told us that quotes were better without formatting, he said this:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/quoting-with-same-formatting/4548/3?u=boomzilla
I've necro'd the topic for great feature request.
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Fuck. So, long before Jeff told us that quotes were better without formatting, he said this:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/quoting-with-same-formatting/4548/3?u=boomzilla
I've necro'd the topic for great feature request.
Hey, quoting supports oneboxing. Obviously strips all formatting.
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@Matches, post:403, topic:2914, full:yourabagofbaloneyvomit said:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
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It's probably worth Robin going through Lorne_Kates' "grumpy cat" post, and some of blakey's early posts. As far as I'm aware, most of the bugs raised in those are still extant, not to mention still obvious in a "nail in the sole of your foot" way
Here's Lorne's thread. Be aware, @eviltrout, that @Lorne_Kates was a well respected user and contributor on TDWTF since forever, and your shitepile of a site drove him away. That's your fucking "Civilised Discourse" right there. Breaking up communities.
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/im-a-grumpy-cat-an-open-letter-to-alex/407/1
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Things that look like bug reports from Grumpy Cat 1:
but shit like not being able to select text?
Already reported
Quote functionality not being right?
I don't remember what complaint that was specifically, I have at least one quote bug up there
Post counts being wrong?
I think that's fixed?
and so was email notifications
This was the chronological order thing, right? Did that get fixed?
and so was saving drafts
We have at least one draft bug up there. Are there more?
and so was search
I left off search because the whole damn thing's a mess and the devs know it by now and are actively working on it.
and so was behavior after a new post
Don't remember which bug that was.
In Discourse you post a message while in the middle of a thread, expecting because it's all Ajaxy to stay in the middle of the thread. Fuck. You can't click back like you would on a traditional postback forum. You're just lost. So you post to complain, and get told by Jeff You're Doing It Wrong! Instead find the grey arrow on the grey background that looks like the icon everyone uses for "Collapse" and click it and it will take you back unless you didn't quote a post in which case you're fucked. But this is how people SHOULD be posting with Discourse so you're doing it wrong.
That's bad UI, not necessarily a bug.
Okay, there are THREE bugs I found. Posted long post. Opened topic. Pressed end. Screen flashed "loading" then reloaded at top of post. Did not go to end
Things that look like feature requests from Grumpy Cat 1:
"#1 thing said, "no infinite scrolling". See the poll about Infinite Scrolling.. [...] Of the remaining 70+ votes, all say it should be optional."
Next up is post count. I and others have asked many times for post count to be restored. It's a feature that was already there. It's a feature on every forum in the entire world. Jeff tells us some buzzword laden bullshit about that we shouldn't want it, conversations, blah, blah, blah
Still waiting.
And to save some typing, I'm going to say "all of the above" for "last activity date" being right under the post. ACTUAL FUCKING USECASE: Someone posts "I'll get right to that". They haven't been online in two weeks. SHIT SOMETHING IS WRONG! When someone was last active is just as important as what they said.
Ditto.
Fuck, WHEN something was said is just as important as what was said, because it gives context. Which is why the braindead design decision of "hours ago" needs to be gone, also.
Ditto.
The green box technically does present much more detailed information, only insomuch as it has actual numbers in it. But ironically, it makes it more difficult to get information from.
We got some green box fixes.
Usability Complaints from Grumpy Cat 1:
Take a thread. There are two posts. One posts is 10,000 words. The other is just "lol". I'm 2000 words into the first post. The scrollbar shows me I'm about one-fifth of the way through. The green bar shows me I'm still 0% of the way. I finally reach the second post. Scrollbar shows me I'm nearly at the end. Green bar shows me I'm 50% of the way through.
and:
Instead, it's literally harder to use Discourse. It's harder on the eyes. It takes more physical effort. It takes more eye movements. It's harder on the brain. It takes more focus and concentration to find and hit targets. You have to focus, concentrate, do math over and over, just to get information that is being hidden from you that shouldn't be. User interactions take more clicks or keystrokes. Using Discourse, compared to a standard forum, is LITERALLY a chore. It's a chore. I have to do extra work just to read a forum. The onus is on me to do things that should be done by a computer, or that should have UI/UX that makes me not have to do them. This isn't laziness. This isn't being picky. This is science. It's biology. It's neurology. It's psychology. It's physiology. It's human behavior. It's the fucking science of user interface and user interaction. I don't want it to be that hard because it shouldn't be... and it shouldn't be because THIS IS NOT HOW HUMANS WORK!
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From Grumpy Cat 2:
Optional pagination.
Still waiting.
ALL old forum content should be ported over
That's not on the discodevs, but still didn't happen.
The look and feel for the forums and front page should match up as closely to 100% as possible
Again, not on the discodevs
The featureset of the forums should be exactly the same.
That's a migration issue, I think we're long past the idea of migrating gracefully by now.
Fire Jeff Atwood.
He kind of sort of left on his own in a way that means he'll totally show back up whenever he wants.
But pressing the END key not working?
I think that one's been fixed
Not being able to highlight a sentence starting with "I"?
I haven't tested that in a while. EDIT: Yup, fixed.
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I left off search because the whole damn thing's a mess and the devs know it by now and are actively working on it.
Search finds stuff and the UI is improving, but needs to take the leap of getting a full page.
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On that note, I'm going to go drive home. Cause an email to be sent if you need me. I'm curious what @eviltrout has to say now that I've given him a concise list of outstanding issues.
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But pressing the END key not working?
I think that one's been fixed
Just because I'm not sure you have the background to this one, it was:
Regressed (when the forum was first installed-- we discovered this because Atwood told us it worked when he obviously hadn't even tried it himself)
Fixed
Regressed again
Fixed again
Regressed again again
Fixed again againIt might actually have been regressed more than just those 3 times. But the point was, that was an annoying constant regression "early on". (And by "early on" I mean "when DailyWTF got the forum, by which I mean, "only days from version 1.0!")
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The point about Lorne's stuff is summed up by the last para you quoted. It's about Discourse being broken on a level that's beyond mere bugs. It's about issues that Jeff will never grok, can never accept as being issues, because they go against his conviction that Discourse is better than any other forum software, despite admitting that he never uses forum software.
I don't know if @eviltrout can understand this. If he can understand that his software is so awful at a fundamental level it's capable of breaking up long-standing communities, or, at least, this one. In all honesty, though, I doubt it.
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Oh we also lost Dhromed, and Nagesh, and... a couple other people I can't remember at the moment.
And me until I got such a shitty job that posting here is more interesting than what I was doing otherwise. And even then, not for a few weeks after the job started when I'd started exhausting my RSS feeds every day.
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I like Nagesh.
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Nagesh was pretty funny when he wasn't being annoying.
Did we actually lose @dhromed? I haven't seen him around in a while but I don't remember any kind of "Goodbye, I'm out" posts. I assumed he was lurking and/or busy, a.k.a. pulling a @morbiuswilters
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@skotl springs to mind as well.
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God-Emperor of Dune
You get a free like for mentioning a good book.
Filed under: Every like is sacred.
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I like Nagesh.
Seriously? Well, you can still find it occasionally on the CS forums.
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Looks like they moved or blew the "About Me isn't limited" topic away:
Was it one started by @Matches?
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Hah.
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I'm gonna consider those responses as a "yes, that was my topic", considering your current streak of posting on meta.d.
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I'm gonna consider those responses as a "yes, that was my topic", considering your current streak of posting on meta.d.
Sigh...
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@blakeyrat's favorite feature request maybe creeps toward realization:
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Yeah, didn't bother trying to look at his account on meta.d, because if they hadn't cleaned it out, I would've run into said abusive long content.
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Screen shot isn't posting, but I'm banned until October 5th.
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@boomzilla posted a screenshot showing that. Amusing.
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Wonder how many more suspensions you've got before getting banned for good?
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It's just a copy of my ninja post here in one post, it would have been fine unless you opened my profile.
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I'm not afraid to find out. We'll call it a test of fail fish ban technology.
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I wonder what this guy did:
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By his post history, probably something terrible, like tell Jeff he's being rude and abusive in his replies.
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I'm guessing it was his next-to-last post:
This discussion is not about all those things. There is no real discussion. IMHO It's about Jeff being able to show his power to veto stuff. As Ajarn said, he's the only one against this.
At least, that was probably straw that broke the camel's back.
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I'm already paid quite well to be QA lead on my own team, thanks :)
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Ah, of course, I must have missed that in their TOS where questioning the dictator got you a 999 day suspension.
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Let me get this straight. @Matches got banned (again) for posting excessively long content...and he did so as part of a bug report topic that was deleted without warning...
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Damn I can't keep up with all this stuff. I know there's gold posts in here but do we have to talk about every single thing in one place?
re: deleting the post size, that was a very poor way to report it. Loading the topic almost crashed chrome and Matches honestly should have known better than to report it that way. It's the very next bug on my list to fix though, so don't worry if the topic is deleted. We just didn't want random meta users to crash
@Yamikuronue did you say you summarized it in one post? That would help me an awful lot.
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Ah, of course, I must have missed that in their TOS where questioning the dictator got you a 999 day suspension.
Well, at least this dictator is unlikely to put a 9mm hole in the back of your skull (although that might be less painful than using Discourse).
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You did read the part where his bug report was previously deleted by Jeff, right?
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This is the big list of bugs:
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/pjh-please-dont-update/2914/362?u=yamikuronuePlus two about the GrumpyCat posts:
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/pjh-please-dont-update/2914/406?u=yamikuronue
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/pjh-please-dont-update/2914/407?u=yamikuronue
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No I guess I didn't? So this issue was brought up, deleted with no answer, then brought up again in a crashy way? Then ban then delete?
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That's pretty much how it seems to have gone down. And this is why we have issues with discussing bugs in a polite, respectful manner.
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Well I just looked at all of matches' deleted posts and I don't see anything like that except for the most recent one.
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I'm only going on what was said here, but this sort of thing is not a new phenomenon.
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Fair enough, but if we're gonna say Jeff unfairly deleted his post in this particular case it seems pretty fair to me.
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banned for demoing a bug we already reported and asked for fixed?
win.
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I wonder what this guy did:
More a PHP / Java guy but always broadening my horizon.
I think that's what he did.
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@Matches can we get a confirmation and preferably a link, before this spirals into some kind of urban legend?
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and he did so as part of a bug report topic that was deleted without warning...
oh i take it back - i guess it was.