The Naming thread - names given to networks, used for test data, etc.



  • Still no guesses on the second one? I figured it would be the easier of the two. Here's the names again:

    @ScholRLEA said:

    Barrow, Heywood, Spooner, Goldman, Hill, Parker, Thornley, Tucker, and Fish. Two of those were ringers - they didn't really fit the theme, but are sort of 'adopted' by some of that group as being simpatico, and if you are familiar with their MO at all you'll see why. Another name could refer to two different individuals, but I had the more historically important one in mind primarily.



  • Heywood is one of the mains from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Similarly, Spooner is the main from (the movie) I, Robot.

    That's all I got.


  • FoxDev

    a quick googling reveals.... property to rent, property to buy, a list of common surnames, a list on uncommon surnames, and a list of soldiers known to have served in WWII

    oh and a [excrement] tonne of links to NSFW materials badly disguised as links to news articles... I regret searching for this at work, and am very grateful for the WOT plugin that warned me about the links before i clocked through.



  • Nope, this was before the film version of I, Robot came out, and I never saw the film in any case. If any film is relevant here it would be an obscure 1980s Emilo Estevez vehicle called Wisdom. Or maybe Warren Beatty's Reds, though only indirectly.

    I'll give you the ringers: Barrow and Parker. Their connection to this group is largely due to their treatment of mortgage records; however, they weren't especially political themselves, they did it mainly to get support from the locals in the towns they passed through.



  • @dkf said:

    We used the names of local settlements (hamlets, villages, small towns) which had the property of usually being in the region of 4–7 letters long. Some of the names were pretty weird,

    Bad idea: Naming servers/networks/whatever after towns in Wales.



  • Like Llanfair­pwllgwyn­gyllgo­gery­chwyrn­drobwll­llanty­silio­gogo­goch you mean?



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Bad idea: Naming servers/networks/whatever after towns in Wales.

    Non-IT bad idea: naming all the streets in a company town for a copper-mining concern after copper-bearing minerals. "Sure I'll tell you how to get to my place. You come down Calcite until just past Chalcocite, then turn left and take Cuprite to just before it dead-ends at Covellite; it's on your right between Chalcopyrite and Chrysocolla."



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Bad idea: Naming servers/networks/whatever after towns in Wales.

    Also, never ask for directions in Wales unless you have a face mask.



  • Blackadder: Have you ever been to Wales, Baldrick?
    Baldrick: No, but I've often thought I'd like to.
    Blackadder: Well don't, it's a ghastly place. Huge gangs of tough sinewy men roam the valleys terrorising people with their close-harmony singing. You need half a pint of phlegm in your throat just to pronounce the place names. Never ask for directions in Wales, Baldrick, you'll be washing spit out of your hair for a fortnight.



  • @da_Doctah said:

    Non-IT bad idea: naming all the streets in a company town for a copper-mining concern after copper-bearing minerals.

    Also not a good a idea is using a naming scheme in one place and using names that fit that naming scheme in other places as well.

    In Hamburg there's whole quarter where streets have been named after medieaval people or tribes: Goths street, Wend's street, Saxons street - you get the idea.

    The Suebi also match the era (the Wends followed the Suebi as those migrated south). However, the "Swebenweg" (Sweben is another word for Sueben, i.e. the Suebi) is at the far end of the city, appr. 10 miles further north-west.

    "Streets of a feather not always flock together!"


  • Trolleybus Mechanic

    @faoileag said:

    "Streets of a feather not always flock together!"

    Round these parts they do... unless they don't.

    We've also got several that disappear and reappear a couple of km further and at least one instance of two entirely different streets with the exact same name, except one's a "Street" and the other's an "Avenue".


    Filed under: still better than the streets of London




  • BINNED

    @GOG said:

    We've also got several that disappear and reappear a couple of km further and at least one instance of two entirely different streets with the exact same name, except one's a "Street" and the other's an "Avenue".

    Here I have a Koolkerkse Steenweg, Brugge and a Koolkerkesteenweg, Damme. Going from Brughes to a village called Koolkerke (roughly translatable as Cabbage Church). Start in Brughes at the Koolkerke Steenweg, follow through over to the Brugge Steenweg until you reach Koolkerke. Continue straight on and you'll end up in the Koolkerkesteenweg.



  • it's more common than you think.


  • FoxDev

    ... that's way more than double rainbow...

    also it must be really confusing to give directions to anywhere in there...



  • this is not even any kind of famous example of same names of roads, I just remembered this from way back when we were talking about drawing dicks with the nike run tracker app. I looked for options to draw dicks in the UK and this just happened to be in the image, I think @blakeyrat pointed out that everything was rainbows (he probably said fucking rainbows) and asked why the fuck everything was fucking rainbows and I fucking explained.

    Fuck.


  • FoxDev

    @algorythmics said:

    Fuck.

    No thanks, i'll pass. My partner would object.



  • @accalia said:

    No thanks, i'll pass. My partner would object.

    If I was asking you a question I would use the question mark (?). When I am issuing a command, get to work.


  • FoxDev

    oh. that was a command, i'll revise my answer.

    [censored expletives that literally turn the air blue and summon elder gods from the very depths of hell] no. But i thank you for the compliment.

    [EDIT: Post 69. huh. i really feel like i should make some sort of innuendo here.]


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    @algorythmics said:

    looked for options to draw dicks in the UK and this just happened to be in the image, I think @blakeyrat pointed out that everything was rainbows (he probably said fucking rainbows) and asked why the fuck everything was fucking rainbows and I fucking explained.

    Well, duh, because discourse is 🌈s.



  • @da_Doctah said:

    Non-IT bad idea: naming all the streets in a company town for a copper-mining concern after copper-bearing minerals. "Sure I'll tell you how to get to my place. You come down Calcite until just past Chalcocite, then turn left and take Cuprite to just before it dead-ends at Covellite; it's on your right between Chalcopyrite and Chrysocolla."

    I don't have a big problem with this. Other than, perhaps, being harder to pronounce and spell, it's no more nonsensical than naming all the streets after trees, Presidents or other dead people you've never heard of.



  • @GOG said:

    at least one instance of two entirely different streets with the exact same name, except one's a "Street" and the other's an "Avenue".

    Phoenix, AZ. Central Avenue runs N/S through the center of the city. To the west, running parallel to it, are 1st Ave., 2nd Ave, 3rd Ave., etc. Sensible enough, right. To the east, also running parallel to it, are 1st St., 2nd St., 3rd St., etc. It's really important to pay attention to whether your destination is on 75th Ave. or 75th St., because if you get it wrong, you'll be miles from where you want to be. BTDT.

    To make it even more confusing, between the Streets and Avenues, there may be Places (east) or Drives (west). There are also tertiary streets whose naming convention I no longer remember, and which Google Maps doesn't even bother displaying names.

    Of course, except for the main arterial roads, all of these can be counted on to run for a few blocks, have a gap, run for another block or two, another gap, pick up for a few more blocks, etc.


  • FoxDev

    is it bad that i read that as toxic templates?



  • Ah, so much for guessing games.


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    @HardwareGeek said:

    Other than, perhaps, being harder to pronounce and spell,

    And remember and discriminate. But yeah, aside from all that.


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    @ScholRLEA said:

    Ah, so much for guessing games.

    Here...I'm thinking of a number....


  • FoxDev

    you expected us to stay on topic at TDWTF.com‽



  • No, not really, I guess, that would be a silly thing to expect.


  • FoxDev

    around these parts yeah.

    shame really, because guessing games can be quite fun.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    We have our own guessing game though - how quickly a topic is going to derail, and whether or not by some accident it's going to end up back on track.


  • Trolleybus Mechanic

    @aliceif said:

    Eighth Avenue (Manhattan)

    @aliceif said:

    8th Street / St. Mark's Place (Manhattan)

    @aliceif said:

    ?

    Not even close, I'm afraid.

    @HardwareGeek said:

    1st Ave., 2nd Ave, 3rd Ave., etc. [...] 1st St., 2nd St., 3rd St.,

    Can I just say that numbering your streets shows a depressing lack of imagination, both in the naming and the trolling.

    @algorythmics has got a good one there, it's only a shame that they're all bunched up together. @Luhmann's example is good, too, though - if I'm reading it correctly - they're technically streets in two different towns/settlements/locales.

    My personal example comes from Warsaw (obviously) where we have Aleja Wilanowska (the avenue) and its much less known namesake ulica Wilanowska (the street), which - funnily enough - is actually much closer to the city center. Trolling/confusion comes in two varieties:

    1. When speaking you almost never specify the "street/avenue/etc." prefix ("place/square" are pretty much the sole exceptions to this rule), but simply say the name of the street. This means that if talking to a cabbie, say, you'll ask him to take you to Wilanowska. Hopefully, you meant the avenue, 'coz that's where you're most likely to end up.

    2. In writing, the abbreviations are ul. Wilanowska (for the street) and Al. Wilanowska (for the avenue). Again, technically they should be case-sensitive (capital A, lowercase u), but when dealing with handwritten address you'd best pray that:
      a. The person writing is aware of the distinction (a somewhat optimistic assumption),
      b. Their handwriting is clear enough to distinguish between a lowercase u and a - if necessary (ditto).


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @GOG said:

    Their handwriting is clear enough to distinguish between a lowercase u and a - if necessary

    😃



  • Yeah, I figured that some one would at least recognize the two ringers before topic drift took over.



  • Lake Webster, aka Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg.



  • First thing that comes to mind is this.



  • Sounds very similar.



  • Bonus points for linking to the Hasselhoff version instead of the original.



  • I want to hear him cover this.



  • Since no one seems to be paying attention, I might as well explain that the theme in the second case
    was American Anarchists. The ringers were Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow (duh), who were sometimes known for burning or stealing loan records at the banks they robbed, which made some anarchists think they were on their side (they weren't really politically motivated, though). The total breakdown on the rest was:

    Joe Hill (the most famous of them all; in this case, it could also have been Greg Hill, making it a two-fer)
    Big Bill Heywood
    Emma Goldman
    Lysander Spooner
    Benjamin Tucker
    Kerry Thornley
    Leslie Fish

    As I said, I was a very different person then. I would have thought someone would have gotten Bonnie and Clyde, at least, but apparently no one bothered to try to figure it out.



    • Rincewind - the original and most frequent protagonist of the Discworld novels, of course

    • Zoe Carter - Main character of the webcomic Venus Envy

    • John Smith - The Doctor's preferred alias, of course, going back to the very first Doctor as I understand it

    • Ayla Goodkind - The character of Phase from the Whateley Academy web novellas (yeah, I know, I know, but I'm into that sort of thing for some reason; his origin story can be found here if anyone bothers to be curious)

    • Roy Hinkley - The Professor from Gilligan's Island (I actually had to look up the name to make sure I had it right)

    • Oliver North - US Marine Corps lt. colonel at the heart of the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan Administration, the only real person in this group



  • @ScholRLEA said:

    Zoe Carter - Main character of the webcomic Venus Envy

    Also the daughter of the main character on the SyFy Channel's series Eureka.



  • @ScholRLEA said:

    Rincewind - the original and most frequent protagonist of the Discworld novels, of course

    I think the most frequent protagonist at this point might be commander vimes? I'm not sure.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ScholRLEA said:

    Since no one seems to be paying attention to the original topic

    FTFY.


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    @algorythmics said:

    I think the most frequent protagonist at this point might be commander vimes? I'm not sure.

    Seems likely. He's my favorite, at any rate.


  • kills Dumbledore

    I get the impression he's Pratchett's favourite as well. I suspect there's a decent amount of himself in the character



  • I think this is probably accurate, but I think his affinity for rincewind early on may well have been for the same reason. He has grown up writing discworld as it were, and I think rincewind was more relatable in his youth than he would be now. Vimes certainly started out as a rather simple character, but has been very carefully fleshed out since his first appearances and has evolved leaps and bounds, I think there aren't any other characters that come close any more to the depths that have been created for vimes.



  • It's a shame that more books haven't been televised in the vein of hogfather, colour of magic and going postal. There are many excellent stories with a lot of potential there, particularly the night's watch/vimes stories that have simply been untouched. It seems to have petered out now that people are bored of terry having alzheimers which is a real shame, as they were very well done and true to the books.


  • FoxDev

    Just found three servers at work that are causing trouble this morning...

    Thor
    Loki
    Odin

    ... I'll give you three guesses as to which one turned out to be the source of the issues, and none of them count.


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    @algorythmics said:

    It's a shame that more books haven't been televised

    I wasn't aware that any of that happened. Hmm...BBC...I'll have to keep an eye on BBC America.

    @algorythmics said:

    particularly the night's watch/vimes stories that have simply been untouched.

    This was the first thing that popped up when I went to search for what you mentioned:



  • thank you for informing me that that was happening.

    as for the 3 I mentioned, they were made by BSKYB, not BBC, so will not likely appear on BBC america. I am not sure what network might serve them over there, maybe syfy? I can't say for sure, in any case, they are excellent and worth tracking down if you can. maybe some streaming service has rights to them?


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