â€đź™… THE BAD IDEAS THREAD
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One of my good friends was born 4 months premature and has mild cerebral palsy. He's about 6'4" and 130 pounds, thin as a rail and not particularly well-coordinated but otherwise pretty normal.
Anyway, he lives out in the country and one direction from his house has nothing but cropland for about 2 miles. Perfect rifle range! So his house is a popular place to go shooting.
We were out shooting one day and I had my Savage side-by-side 12 gauge out there. Everyone started "machoing" up and firing both barrels at once to prove their manliness. When my friend went, I think he fell backwards about 3 feet. Wish we'd taken a video.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946
Giving someone that young a weapon where they're not able to deal with the recoil and which can fire again very rapidly…
From reading the article and watching the video, the instructor didn't follow protocol. This is what the range operator said:
"If they're shooting right-handed, we have our right-hand behind them ready to push the weapon out of the way. And if they're left-handed, the same thing."
In the video, the instructor had his hand nowhere near ready to push the gun away. He had his hand on the kid's back. So, a combination of teaching a kid with a gun they shouldn't have been using and the instructor not doing what he was supposed to.
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In the video, the instructor had his hand nowhere near ready to push the gun away. He had his hand on the kid's back. So, a combination of teaching a kid with a gun they shouldn't have been using and the instructor not doing what he was supposed to.
Did you see more than the clip on the Beeb, or are just going from that? Regardless, he wasn't doing what you said when she fired the single shot.
I'm surprised he wasn't behind her with both hands around her, the way you see golf instructors doing. I certainly wouldn't let a kid that size shoot full auto without physical support.
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So what you're saying is that an Uzi is ideal for when you need to shoot everywhere except where you want to?
According to True Lies, if you drop one down the stairs it just automatically kills all the bad guys, leaving the good guys totally unharmed. #Facts
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According to True Lies, if you drop one down the stairs it just automatically kills all the bad guys, leaving the good guys totally unharmed. #Facts
True Lies was written by people who either don't know or don't care about how shit actually works in the real world. Any modern pistol[1] that goes off from being dropped is defective. I'm not sure about something like an Uzi.
[1] I'm talking about regular stuff like a 1911, not exotic things, or really old guns. Modern designs are specifically engineered so they can't. I saw an entertaining video where a guy took a new Glock, tied it with a 20' rope to the back of his pickup, and dragged it a quarter-mile or so down a dirt road. It suffered a lot of cosmetic damage, and I think it jammed, so he couldn't fire it until he disassembled it, but it didn't shoot.
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Regardless, he wasn't doing what you said when she fired the single shot.
Really? Here's a screen cap from the video, just before she pulls the trigger for the last time:
She is in a right handed shooting stance, so she is right handed.
- A is his left hand, below her shooting arm, which in a recoil situation is no good, because his reflexes will not be quick enough to do anything. Also, the range operator said, "If they're shooting right-handed, we have our right-hand behind them." Wrong hand, wrong position.
- B is his right hand, on her back as I stated. It is not in the position that the range operator said it should be in.
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True Lies was99.999999% of movies and TV shows were written by people who either don't know or don't care about how shit actually works in the real world.FTFY.
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Sorry, I worded that poorly. I was agreeing with "So, a combination of teaching a kid with a gun they shouldn't have been using and the instructor not doing what he was supposed to." I think I meant "he wasn't doing what you said he was supposed to have been doing.
Again, I would have been behind her with both arms around her, actually holding on to the gun with her with both hands. For one thing, it's safer--presumably she wouldn't have hit anyone if he was behind her instead of beside her. Also, I would be able to control how much of the recoil she felt, and absorbed most of it myself the first one or two shots, just so she didn't accidentally let go or let it go back so far it bonked her in the head, which I've seen happen on video plenty of times.
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FrostCat said:True Lies was 99.999999% of movies and TV shows were written by people who either don't know or don't care about how shit actually works in the real world.
FTFY.
Any site that didn't make a habit of pedantic dickweedery would have assumed your correction was what I meant. :)
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Any site that didn't make a habit of pedantic dickweedery would have assumed your correction was what I meant.
Also: Discurse eats formatting on replies, I see.
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True Lies was written by people who either don't know or don't care about how shit actually works in the real world.
True Lies is a comedy you humorless fuck. It was a fucking joke. Christ.
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True Lies is a comedy you humorless fuck. It was a fucking joke. Christ.
I'm the humorless one? That's rich, coming from a guy who has trouble with pronouns.
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I was under the impression that barstaff aren't, generally, the ones slipping roofies into drinks, so testing them just after you bought them isn't going to tell you very much...
They also tend to frown on bringing your own, so we're back to what kind of reading between the lines was expected/performed, eh?
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They also tend to frown on bringing your own, so we're back to what kind of reading between the lines was expected/performed, eh?
Well, I guess the current working theory is, among people who don't think you're the scum of the earth for thinking people might want to take some small amount of responsibility for their own safety, is that you never let your drink get out of your sight, and that you should keep your hand over the top at all times except for when you're actively drinking from it, so nobody has a chance to slip something into it.
But I read this article recently--that might actually have been a fake, or so the commenters thought, by someone who claims to have learned what the drug tastes like because she'd been slipped it 3 times. It takes a pretty aggressive level of stupidity to keep going back to bars by yourself after you've already woken up once somewhere with no memory of how you got there.
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It takes a pretty aggressive level of stupidity to keep going back to bars by yourself after you've already woken up once somewhere with no memory of how you got there.
Just dance...
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It takes a pretty aggressive level of stupidity to keep going back to bars by yourself after you've already woken up once somewhere with no memory of how you got there.
Sounds like a normal Friday/Saturday, round these parts.
That said, I've never actually managed to hit that level of alcohol intake - though I know quite a few guys who have achieved the feat on numerous occasions. Can't say much about the drugs, 'coz I don't go to the sort of places that serve'em (in fact, I don't see such stories round the local news, so maybe its a rotten Western capitalist thing - I'm sure they do pop up someplace, though).
you should keep your hand over the top at all times except for when you're actively drinking from it
Does it matter if you're right- or left-handed? And where should the other hand go?
Filed under: ...oops, wrong story
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That said, I've never actually managed to hit that level of alcohol intake - though I know quite a few guys who have achieved the feat on numerous occasions.
Once or twice I accidentally drank enough that I couldn't stand up and had to resort to crawling to the bathroom to urinate. Couldn't really see straight, had no attention span, all of that. Yet I still never blacked out and could generally remember everything the next day. In any case it wasn't something I enjoyed and I can't imagine how anyone considers such levels of drunkenness to be fun.
I know everyone's a bit different and yada-yada but I really have to wonder how much alcohol it takes to black out and not remember anything. Seems like you're flirting with death by that point.
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FrostCat said:
It takes a pretty aggressive level of stupidity to keep going back to bars by yourself after you've already woken up once somewhere with no memory of how you got there.Sounds like a normal Friday/Saturday, round these parts.
Yeah, but I was talking about in the context of being drugged. Roofies[1] will actually knock you out, not just cause a blackout. If you've got a friend with you, the friend can tell the bouncer "hey, I came here with my friend, and we agreed beforehand that we would not under any circumstances leave with a random person we met, and my friend does not know this guy who says he's just trying to take her home."
That said, I've never actually managed to hit that level of alcohol intake - though I know quite a few guys who have achieved the feat on numerous occasions. Can't say much about the drugs, 'coz I don't go to the sort of places that serve'em (in fact, I don't see such stories round the local news, so maybe its a rotten Western capitalist thing - I'm sure they do pop up someplace, though).
FrostCat said:
you should keep your hand over the top at all times except for when you're actively drinking from itDoes it matter if you're right- or left-handed? And where should the other hand go?
Depends on whether or not you're using that nail polish that detects roofies, and whether or not you've got it on one hand or both.
[1] For "roofies," imagine I mean "date rape drugs in general." Roofies != GHB, and maybe there's other ones I don't know about. I don't generally go out drinking anyway because I don't like being drunk.
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n any case it wasn't something I enjoyed and I can't imagine how anyone considers such levels of drunkenness to be fun.
I know everyone's a bit different and yada-yada but I really have to wonder how much alcohol it takes to black out and not remember anything. Seems like you're flirting with death by that point.
In high school, I knew a girl in my grade, who actually was the senior class president, who (or so I was told) got blackout drunk every Friday and Saturday. Just from sheer number of incidents, I would think she'd've wound up dead if the blackout dose was close to a lethal one. But I've never been anywhere near that drunk myself.
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Seems like you're flirting with death by that point.
Based on my - admittedly second-hand - observations, no.
I think it isn't so much about sheer amount, but one-time dosage: drinking a lot of strong alcohol quickly.
Me, I don't like to drink fast, so I'll sooner be legless (or talking on the porcelain phone) than passed-out, but I've known a well concealed U-Boot to sink a guy in no time.
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Yeah, but I was talking about in the context of being drugged.
Whoosh?
Filed under: yes, I am aware of that
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Well, I don't know about your parts, so maybe.
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I will agree that it takes an aggresive level of stupidity.
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I know everyone's a bit different and yada-yada but I really have to wonder how much alcohol it takes to black out and not remember anything. Seems like you're flirting with death by that point.
Some people just don't remember stuff. It's not that they're passed out, but for some reason the memories just don't take. I've never encountered this to the level that I've heard reported. OTOH, I'm told by my wife that I do this sort of thing all the time sober (You told me what‽).
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I will agree that it takes an aggresive level of stupidity.
And you're a sexist pig for saying it, remember!
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I have a friend who doesn't remember stuff long before he's at the "pass out" stage. He usually only needs to get to the "randomly high-fiving random dudes on the sidewalk and telling them he loves them" stage and he won't remember it the next morning.
... at least he claims he doesn't.
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And you're a sexist pig for saying it, remember!
I'll have you know that I don't need to stoop so low for my sexist piggery.
I can sexisist pig it out with the best of them!
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Well, I guess the current working theory is, among people who don't think you're the scum of the earth for thinking people might want to take some small amount of responsibility for their own safety, is that you never let your drink get out of your sight, and that you should keep your hand over the top at all times except for when you're actively drinking from it, so nobody has a chance to slip something into it.
I think the issue revolves around terms like "responsibility".
Some would say that if a person is considered responsible for avoiding rape, and they get raped, it was their own fault (as the responsible party) that they got raped. They are the one who is responsible, so they are the one who needs to change their behavior to prevent rape.
This is precisely what's referred to as "victim blaming".
The fact that victim blaming attitudes are so prevalent is referred to as "rape culture" because it allows potential perps to excuse themselves ("it's really her fault for being so provocative") and proceed with the crime.
And I guess "potential perp" is a situation where A wants to have sex with B and B isn't interested. This situation pops up fairly often (understatement for emphasis).
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Some would say that if a person is considered responsible for avoiding rape, and they get raped, it was their own fault (as the responsible party) that they got raped. They are the one who is responsible, so they are the one who needs to change their behavior to prevent rape.
This is precisely what's referred to as "victim blaming".
The fact that victim blaming attitudes are so prevalent is referred to as "rape culture" because it allows potential perps to excuse themselves ("it's really her fault for being so provocative") and proceed with the crime.
We're all responsible for our personal self-defense. It's pretty much right there in the words. Encouraging people to figure out how to defend themselves from evil is actually taking an explicit stand against the evil.
The mushy anti-victim-blamers are just too focused on hurt feelings or whatever to actually care about things that might work. They are, in fact, evil themselves in their own way.
I will concede that you do get actual victim blaming sometimes. But these mouth breathers cannot tell the difference, and the real deal is a lot less prevalent in the societies where the nags reside than the real thing.
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We're all responsible for our personal self-defense.
It's my fault if someone hurts me? It's not the assailant's fault? Why do people attack in the first place? Can we prevent attacks instead of just reacting to them?
A person's response to these questions can tell you alot about their worldview. Also if they use the word "evil" - not to be too snarky.
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Some people just don't remember stuff. It's not that they're passed out, but for some reason the memories just don't take.
That's what blacking out in the context of being drunk means. You're still awake and nominally functional, but you're not storing memories. It's actually, or so I assume, akin to conscious sedation in dentistry. I've seen that done to other people: they can get up, walk out to the car, go home, and so on. I've had it done to me once: you set back in the chair, they put a needle in your arm, and you wake up home in bed a few hours later.
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You're still awake and nominally functional, but you're not storing memories. It's actually, or so I assume, akin to conscious sedation in dentistry. I've seen that done to other people: they can get up, walk out to the car, go home, and so on. I've had it done to me once: you set back in the chair, they put a needle in your arm, and you wake up home in bed a few hours later.
Does that mean you still feel the pain due to the dentistry but you just don't remember it?
Damn Discourse's lack of discoverable/usable emoji
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Does that mean you still feel the pain due to the dentistry but you just don't remember it?
A lot of drugs given for surgeries and dentistry work that way. It's one of those "if a tree falls in the forest" things... "if the patient experiences pain but doesn't remember it, did they really experience pain?"
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It's my fault if someone hurts me? It's not the assailant's fault? Why do people attack in the first place? Can we prevent attacks instead of just reacting to them?
A person's response to these questions can tell you alot about their worldview. Also if they use the word "evil" - not to be too snarky.
Being prepared to defend yourself is simply one response to recognizing that there are evil/stupid/crazy people in the world. It's an attempt to wrest control over your situation away from other people. Instead of just laying down and saying "I'm a victim", people who prepared to defend themselves can often say "I was almost a victim". It has nothing to do with shifting the blame from the assailant.
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You're Doing it Wrong!
ACTUALLY YOU CAN HOLD DOWN CAPS LOCK> BUT IT DOES WEIRD THINGS TO SOME KEYS>
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Does that mean you still feel the pain due to the dentistry but you just don't remember it?
That might well be true. I'm pretty sure they give you painkillers. I have a vague snippet of a dreamlike memory of complaining when they extracted one particular tooth which had basically no crown left. But I don't actually remember any of it as such--it's kind of like Douglas Adams' story about telling how he came up with the idea of HHGTTG so many times destroyed his actual memory of doing it.
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Instead of just laying down and saying "I'm a victim", people who prepared to defend themselves can often say "I was almost a victim". It has nothing to do with shifting the blame from the assailant.
It's important to remember this, because the kooks I'm talking about are offended at the suggestion that they should make any kind of effort to protect themselves. "Men should just not rape!" Well, sure, that's true, but it doesn't seem like a realistic plan.
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ACTUALLY YOU CAN HOLD DOWN CAPS LOCK> BUT IT DOES WEIRD THINGS TO SOME KEYS>
EXPERIMENTING WITH TYPING WHILE HOLDING CAPS LOCK. I'M NOT SEEING ANY UNUSUAL SIDE EFFECTS. ARE YOU SURE YOU WEREN'T PRESSING SHIFT?
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I've just found out by holding my Caps Lock key that it toggles on immediately when I press it, but it only toggles off when I release it.
Filed under: [no one cares](#tag)
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PERHAPS HE HAS A KEYBOARD WITH/WITHOUT THE N-KEY-ROLLOVER STUFF OR WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
or un r ping wih boh hi e he own n ee wh hppen>
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or un r ping wih boh hi e he own n ee wh hppen>
For fun try typing with both Shift keys held down and see what happens.
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I ninja'd you, but yeah:
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[success](#tag)And now the failing failed... BLARGHAGHAGH
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For fun try typing with both Shift keys held down and see what happens.
ShiftShift
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!!
Well that was disappointing. Maybe my keyboard is just boring.
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Gaming keyboard are more likely to work than standard keyboards, many tout it as a feature.
My keyboard is mechanical but not gaming. Press more than two or three buttons at once and weird things happen.
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LLTAKSSTLTTSFALTBGNS
Translation: well, it makes most letters fail to be recognised.
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Huh, I guess so. Well, they're right next to each other, and I don't look at the keyboard when I'm typing....
