Praise for Discourse
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He stays where he is, up at #100, but wonders where the hell his response went (proposed behaviour, if you tick a to-be-introduced option)
Actually this is deployed here:
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Where's my gun?
Don't start him on one of those rants... that's why I quit reading his blog.
Although I did enjoy his experiment with audio formats and audio tards
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The navigation was Space to scroll down within a message or “go to next” (in a depth-first manner), Right to go to the first child, Left to go to the parent, Down to go to the next sibling, and Up to go to the next sibling. I think. It was a long long time ago.
That's similar to both how my newsreader and e-mail client work. Space scrolls down the current message, and when you reach the end jumps to the next unread message (a direct reply if there is one). There are other shortcuts for moving around, but 99% of time you just use the spacebar for reading.
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One boxing
Two boxing
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1, He ends up stranded at the bottom of the 300 posts, and loses his place (current behaviour)
Yeah, we definitely need something like "go back to where I was" without the artificial requirement of having a quote snippet with the arrow.
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we definitely need something like "go back to where I was"
If you must post in the middle of a topic, enable this setting in your user preferences:
Don't jump to your new post after replying
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*shakes fist*
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What? No. No. No.
Fuck - Jeff, why don't you get it?
If "I must post in the middle of a topic"? Fuck you and your utopia - I will post when ever I goddamn feel like it.
And that post should appear where I am viewing / posting.Shit - I was starting to warm up but this "you're reading and posting wrong " response sums up what is wrong with you, this project and this forum being on this piece of shit.
Jeez. trwtf or what?
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If "I must post in the middle of a topic"? Fuck you and your utopia - I will post when ever I goddamn feel like it. And that post should appear where I am viewing / posting.
One moment there do you want the permission to post between two existing posts? Are you asking for threading here?
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckk!
Jesus cripes on a snowboard, Sam and Jeff, Did both of you start this project purely to piss off people from tdwtf?
OK... give me a few seconds to calm down and I will attempt to be rational...
Right... I'm back.
Threaded conversations? Don't know, don't care.
Post between two existing posts? Don't know, don't care.Please (and I mean this with the same amount of passion that you defend Discourse) try to imagine this from the user's perspective.
(S)he is in the middle of a 300 post topic. Forget for a moment whether (s)he is adhering to Jeff's rules for topic-reading, (s)he is simply 150 posts in on a 300 post topic.
(s)he reads a response that (s)he feels the need to respond to (and, again, [Jeff in particular], ignore that this is not allowed in your utopian/distopian view - it happened!)
(s)he types a response.That response, intuitively, should appear below what (s)he replied to. And then (s)he continues scrolling down the response.
That is the use case, and that is (I contend) how normal mortals will expect it to work.
As I said earlier, I have no issue with the user leaving the thread, rejoining, and the posts appear in chrono order.But these are users; they have no idea what "threaded topics" mean, or "permission to post between two existing posts" means. Get your head out of your asses and start thinking like users, instead of programmers.
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That response, intuitively, should appear below what (s)he replied to. And then (s)he continues scrolling down the response.
Take a step back, what you are defining here as intuitive is far from it.
Say we have a topic with posts
The user replies to post 2.
We render
Then the user clicks refresh and we render
The user is going to go WTF where did my post just go.
So then what I guess you want is for us to render
- (This post appears at the end of the topic)
Still confusing.
You can't temporarily violate ordering.
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Let's just let anyone place their post anywhere on the page. That's gonna be fun and in TDWTF forums' munchkiny spirit.
On a serious note, I'm with @sam on this. There's no non-confusing way to do what you propose.
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There's no non-confusing way to do what you propose.
Unless you go for full-blown threading, which I don't think anyone is pushing for.
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There's no non-confusing way to do what you propose.
There is an option. Put the new post at the bottom and render the new post in the existing (or now new) Replies section below the post being replied to.
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The user is going to go WTF where did my post just go.
Under the button that says "N replies"?
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There is an option. Put the new post at the bottom and render the new post in the existing (or now new) Replies section below the post being replied to.
I am not against this, for people who ticked the advanced feature, but it also has plenty of possibility to confuse.
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There is an option. Put the new post at the bottom and render the new post in the existing (or now new) Replies section below the post being replied to.
Hm... that makes sense. But do you unroll the whole section (and if there are a lot of replies, you have the same problem on a smaller scale) or not (and end up with "n invisible replies + 1 visible)?
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Let's just let anyone place their post anywhere on the page.
ANYWHERE ON THE PAGE. None of this "posts have to be in a list" crap.
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The latter would be the better option, giving the choice to expand all replies (where you destroy the "your reply" and load all replies like normal, including "your" new one) or collapse your reply like you would "all replies", which repeats the destroy your reply logic.
And refreshes after posting with that in place doesn't violate normal thought because of the pseudo threading feature that already exists (e.g. "oh, my reply must be under the Replies dropdown").
Filed under: [Added content to fix whitespace in an edit](#tag)
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I'm imagining a forum engine with no concept of post order. Each post becomes a Windows
MetroModern tile that snaps to a grid and can be dragged to any other grid cell on the page, by any user, at any time.Now some sadistic part of me wants to go write a forum engine like that, just for the lulz.
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Waaaaaay ahead of you, buddy.
Now all I need to do is figure out how to GPL this shit and I'll be an open source forum-writin' rockstar too!
Filed under: [ETFY][1]
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That response, intuitively, should appear below what (s)he replied to. And then (s)he continues scrolling down the response.
That's not how it works in CS. The reply goes to the bottom and so do you.
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Now all I need to do is figure out how to GPL this shit and I'll be an open source forum-writin' rockstar too!
Well, it's better than Discourse.
Filed under: Is this horse dead yet?
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skotl said:
(S)heThis shit is detrimental to reading.
I was mostly offended by the fact that it explicitly excluses those who identify with a different gender, multiple genders, no gender, etc.
The proper pronoun is
(((s?h)|[nz])e){1,2}
(or "shin-zeh-zeh" spoken).
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The proper pronoun is
(((s?h)|[nz])e){1,2}
(or "shin-zeh-zeh" spoken).Fuck it, let's just call everyone
[a-z]*
Filed under: Nagesh is a वह
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let's just call everyone [a-z]*
We could, but then we'd need to add
trigger warning: wildcard pronoun usage ahead may trigger visualization of vulgar gender pejoratives
to everything.
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Did both of you start this project purely to piss off people from tdwtf?
Man, we really do need to fix the topic progress bar not showing up when the editor is visible, though.
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Bug: Cannot scroll infinitely in the negative on the x and y axes.
Expected behaviour: Infiniscroll in all directions.
UAT: Failed.
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That's not how it works in CS. The reply goes to the bottom and so do you.
Actually, a large proportion of the time, you go to the bottom and your post doesn't show up yet.
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The proper pronoun is
(((s?h)|[nz])e){1,2} (or "shin-zeh-zeh" spoken)luser.FTFY
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Fuck. Tried to find my post from up there ^^^ but, of course, CTRL F does fuck-all.
OK, what I think I said was;
I am at post 100 of 300 and I hit reply and enter a response. So we now have three options;
- Dump me at the bottom (yes, I know there is an option to not do that)
- Completely remove / destroy / obliterate the post - where'd it go?
- ...or what?
Are Sam/Jeff seriously proposing that we only have options #1 or #2?
And please don't let's get into the whole "OH MY GOD - YOU WANT WHAT???!!!?? THREADED CONVERSATIONS! JESUS - WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???!!!" discussion again, the question of what the options are for a reply are perfectly easy to understand.
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That's not how it works in CS. The reply goes to the bottom and so do you.
Hmm:
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PRAISE: When I post and as the page loads, my icon is a generated letter for a split second, it is a purple D.
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PRAISE: When I post and as the page loads, my icon is a generated letter for a split second, it is a purple D.
What is it with you and erections today?
Filed under: Did the polls open in Japan?
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Note how an increasing number of people are using those oneboxed internal links to posts.
Good feature.
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Not everything is one-boxing well. Like cheezburger cat pics for example.
Flickr is getting one-boxed, but we all know not all photo on flickr are safe for work.
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Telling that the "Praise for Discourse" thread/topic/page ends up with a list of complaints / bug reports.
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Telling that the "Praise for Discourse" thread/topic/page ends up with a list of complaints / bug reports.
You mean your very own ranty bug posts that you maybe should have put in the other thread?That's telling, yes, though not of the thing you think.
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I don't feel any great need to justify my posts to you, given that the majority of visitors to the discourse version of tdwtf dislike, no wait..., hate the new look.
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I know I'm coming over as a less-eloquent / more-offensive / less-amusing version of BlakeyRat here. A fuller explanation, including an apology to dhromed is over at http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/well-that-went-well/455/15
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Hmm:
<Pic of CS threaded view that I'm not sure how to quote>
I stand corrected as I didn't know about threaded view in CS.
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I stand corrected as I didn't know about threaded view in CS.
Quite a few don't it would appear...
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Quite a few don't it would appear...
Well, it was squirrelled away deep inside the user options. All it needed was a door marked Beware of the Leopard.Filed under: :squirrel: