Frist! And Welcome
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So you've made over twice as many posts here as you had on the old forum, but you somehow are more used to the old forum's method of posting?
Community Server is that intuitive!
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Community Server is the old rusted out shitheap that works exactly like you expect a car to; it's just a crappy one. Whereas Discourse is a Segway strapped to a pogo stick because cars are too unintuitive to drive and we should just be able to lean somewhere and bounce all the way to our destination instead of worrying about steering wheels and gas and shit.
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Community Server is the old rusted out shitheap that works exactly like you expect a car to; it's just a crappy one. Whereas Discourse is a Segway strapped to a pogo stick because cars are too unintuitive to drive and we should just be able to lean somewhere and bounce all the way to our destination instead of worrying about steering wheels and gas and shit.
I wish they still had analogies on the SATs, because this is the best one ever.
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I wish they still had analogies on the SATs, because this is the best one ever.
Analogies on the SATs were an anachronism, like.. uh..
Filed under: I never took the SATs
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I wish they still had analogies on the SATs
Dafuq do they have on there now?because this is the best one ever.
##YES
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Filed under: To be fair, I think he was produced in a Community Server factory, already implanted with the knowledge of how to post there.
I was trapped in one of those for a while. Not a nice place to be. All the doors tapered off to a point on the bottom and the windows extracted light from the rooms.
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Dafuq do they have on there now?
They have empty circles. You have to draw a face into them to show your emotions about yourself. Everyone gets a perfect score and a participation trophy.
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Everyone gets a perfect score and a participation trophy.
Well, that kinda takes the prestige out of the really good but not perfect score I got way back in the Cretaceous. And no trophy.
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I'm trying to resume my reading from the point where I decided to drop a steaming nugget of wisdom on the thread.
So keep the Discourse editor, which is docked at the bottom of the browser window, up while you read, even across topics, and never stop reading in the first place. Then just post when you reach the bottom.
I know, crazy idea, reading an entire topic and all.
(There has been discussion of a "don't take me to my newly posted thing after I post" user profile config option. That can't be the default because if you don't take people to their thing they just posted, they will assume it didn't post.)
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Couldn't you use the browser navigation APIs to set the "back" URL to the URL of the post the user was on before posting, that way they could just click "back" to... well... get back to where they were?
Seems like the most intuitive solution.
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There has been discussion of a "don't take me to my newly posted thing after I post" user profile config option. That can't be the default because if you don't take people to their thing they just posted, they will assume it didn't post.
Hmm, I thought... Let's see, reply to some random post earlier in the topic, @dhromed said:
Pretty cool.
and...No, behavior not what I thought I remembered. Never mind; carry on.
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Eh, possibly, but I don't think users think of their current position as an anchor. And anchors, outside of Wikipedia and FAQs, aren't used much on the web.
I bet you a million dollars, if we did that, someone would complain that back no longer works as they expect, e.g. we put their last read position in the history and they expected "back" to take them to where they were before they even entered the topic in the first place. And I'd argue this is a correct and natural assumption.
One of the hidden contracts of Discourse is that you're really supposed to make a noble effort to read the whole topic before replying. Otherwise you might be duplicating a response someone left earlier, missing key parts of the discussion, etcetera.
So replying too early is kind of an overall negative for the conversation. Plus, the Discourse composer docks, you can continue reading with the composer up, you can even click on other topics or user profiles, and we of course automatically save drafts of your post in the composer at regular intervals.
Still, I can support a user preference for users who really know what they're doing that did not take them to their post after posting.
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One of the hidden contracts of Discourse is that you're really supposed to make a noble effort to read the whole topic before replying. Otherwise you might be duplicating a response someone left earlier, missing key parts of the discussion, etcetera.
That's a very hidden contract - noble, but optimistic. This is the internet after all.
Still, I see where you're going with this, I just wonder whether this backhanded slap to people who jump in to say something is crossing the line from being a software vendor to being a community manager.
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Still, I can support a user preference for users who really know what they're doing that did not take them to their post after posting.
Cool. As long as that problem that Lorne, I think it was, had earlier is cleared up, I'd probably use such an option. On the other hand, I almost always quote, so using the up arrow is also a workable method of getting back.
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Filed under: testing xkcd compatibility
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http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF044-Falling_Dream.gif
Not whitelisted, I guess.
Edit: Ok, what did you change to make it appear, or did it work the first time, but it took a really long time to load?
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Either that, or Markdown hates the link I wrapped around it.
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All images will onebox, provided the URL to the image is on a line by itself with nothing else in front of it.
It also has to be recognizable as an image from the URL, e.g.
http://example.com/does-this-return-an-image
↑ won't work, since the URL doesn't give any signal that's an image.
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All images will onebox
That's a big problem, because people sometimes post NSFW links, and if they get oneboxed,
hijinksproblems ensue. Images are where whitelisting, or something of the sort, is most necessary, I think.Edit: Yes, it's possible to prevent oneboxing, but some people won't know that, or will forget, or won't even know about oneboxing in the first place. Never mind the, hopefully rare, malicious user.
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Still, I can support a user preference for users who really know what they're doing that did not take them to their post after posting.
+1 This would rock.
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That's a big problem, because people sometimes post NSFW links, and if they get oneboxed, hijinks problems ensue. Images are where whitelisting, or something of the sort, is most necessary, I think.
You realize you can just drop an img tag with NSFW images in it onto the page, right? And that you could do that on CS?
There's a reason your friendly neighborhood moderator exists.
(Even if some of them were redlined out of the neighborhood.. Did I mention that I miss being a moderator?)
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New users can't post images for this very reason. That's a trust level 1 function.
(And since @ben_lubar asked, new users can post videos because YouTube doesn't host NSFW stuff. Images can be local copies of some serious nasty. Ask me how I know..)
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New users can't post images for this very reason. That's a trust level 1 function.
Yeah, that's a good way of handling drive-bys.
YouTube doesn't host NSFW stuff.
YouTube hosts some pretty weird stuff.
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But in general I would avoid replying until you're done reading, the editor docks at the bottom of the browser
My screen is 1024px high. The reply box is taking up significant space.
If nothing else, it's bringing us together as a community
Unite! Unite! Proletariat!So you've made over twice as many posts here as you had on the old forum, but you somehow are more used to the old forum's method of posting?
Discourse's UI facilitates "spamming".
All the doors tapered off to a point on the bottom and the windows extracted light from the rooms.
You mean the doors were just really tall, and so were you, and it was dark outside?
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So replying too early is kind of an overall negative for the conversation.
It's really easy in Discourse, though, quote a bit, post, then hop back to where you were.
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Goddamnit, I still laugh at this one. It's the perfect comic strip.
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So replying too early is kind of an overall negative for the conversation.
This seems to be a very subjective statement....
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One of the hidden contracts of Discourse is that you're really supposed to make a noble effort to read the whole topic before replying. Otherwise you might be duplicating a response someone left earlier, missing key parts of the discussion, etcetera.
The way I normally read the whole topic before replying is to right-click the reply link to open it in a new window and continue reading. This doesn't work in Discourse.
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This doesn't work in Discourse.
The DC workflow is quote-reply, and use the up arrow, or keep reading while the post bar is still open.
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You realize you can just drop an img tag with NSFW images in it onto the page, right? And that you could do that on CS?
Of course. I was thinking mostly about the accidental case:
Hey, look at this (NSFW): linky
linky gets oneboxed; oops! Wrapping it in an img tag is unlikely to happen accidentally.Also, I was probably having a derp moment when I posted that last night.
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YouTube hosts some pretty weird stuff.
YouTube does host NSFW videos. Some of it is behind a "This may be inappropriate; log in if you really want to watch it" page. Some of isn't, maybe because nobody's complained yet, but it's there.
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The DC workflow is quote-reply, and use the up arrow, or keep reading while the post bar is still open.
I'm using the former right now, but that means I don't read the whole thread before replying. The other way would have me read the whole thread, but I'd have to bookmark the posts I wanted to reply to or something similar to be able to find them again. The first way's easier.
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YouTube does host NSFW videos. Some of it is behind a "This may be inappropriate; log in if you really want to watch it" page. Some of isn't, maybe because nobody's complained yet, but it's there.
There was an incident where 4chan members flooded YouTube with pr0n faster than the mods could take it down.
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How many times do I have to open this thread and read this post before Discourse quits marking it as unread?
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You should just continue to read it indefinitely. It's like infinite scrolling in your mind.
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You should just continue to read it indefinitely. It's like infinite scrolling in your mind.
Ah, just like reading Tim Allen's autobiography while on acid.
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Well, let's see if the reply by email feature works for me.
It's been a while since I ran across any actual pr0n, but there are
definitely R-rated films and unrated foreign films that would get NC-17
if they were submitted for US rating. Heck, even PG-13ish stuff that
YouTube doesn't find objectionable could be NSFW, depending on where you
work.
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Well, let's see if the reply by email feature works for me.
Yes, sort of. There's probably a way to make it quote what I'm replying to, and it's probably simple, but I haven't experimented with it yet. I don't normally interact with the forum through email, so it's mostly a don't-care for me.
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Heck, even PG-13ish stuff that
YouTube doesn't find objectionable could be NSFW, depending on where you
work.This is G-rated and I still find it awfully offensive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZomVOBE5-0
Filed under: Rated "G" for "FuckinG Awful", Who knew Ben L. had a band?
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This is G-rated and I still find it awfully offensive:
Song in Lojban
No way am I playing that video. No. Just NO!
What's the next defilement to the new forum? Go? Dwarf Fortress?
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quote a bit, post, then hop back to where you were.
If you post, you'll go to end of topic and this will mark everything in the topic read. Probably not what you want, since you haven't read the whole topic yet. (We are going to add a "don't move me to end of topic on posting" setting for advanced users if you really must post before reading to the end of the topic.)The way I normally read the whole topic before replying is to right-click the reply link to open it in a new window and continue reading. This doesn't work in Discourse.
I would argue that's an artifact of old, bad 1999 era forum software that forces replies in a new window, breaking your reading flow.
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old, bad 1999 era forum software that forces replies in a new window, breaking your reading flow.
Nothing was being forced in CS. Advanced users choose to open the reply form in a new tab, in order to expressly retain their reading flow.
It is possible -- and this frequently happened to me -- that I'd open a reply in a new tab, start typing what I had on my mind just to have it written somewhere, go back to to the thread and continue reading the long thread, and and then decide to not post after all.
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Advanced users choose to open the reply form in a new tab, in order to expressly retain their reading flow.
You can certainly do all of that now, open another copy of the topic. Right click the title of the topic and select "open in new tab" to taste, any time
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True, but then I have to look for the post I want to reply to again, and it's generally more effort than "middle-click reply button of a post". If the browser is set to open tabs in the background, it's even objectively less disturbing to reading than a docked post form popping up, since literally nothing happens to your current view of the thread.
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Oh, I see, that's true -- that would open at the top (as the topic title is a link to the top of the topic). Try this instead:
Basically, right click the topic datestamp (the implied permalink), then do open in new window.
This will open a new tab at that specific post, e.g. the URL..
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/frist-and-welcome/238/345
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Basically, right click the topic datestamp (the implied permalink), then do open in new window.
Middle-click works on that, too. So it only adds like one click (to start the reply in the new window) to the process. It seems to me only the most curmudgeonly among us could object to that.
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(the implied permalink)
This strikes me as another one of those "discoverability" faux pas: why on earth would I, with no prior information, think a glyph indicating a value indicating the time since a post was made - so it changes all the time - would a) be a time stamp of when the post was made or b) represent a (permanent) link to the post?